[Split Thread] Trump Document indictment (as opposed to other indictments) - Page 8

acbytesla · 12th June 2023, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Trump would obviously still get secret service protection in prison.

That said if he is convicted and sentenced to prison time it would not be far-fetched if he was put in under house arrest. Since this does not involve any violent crimes or any theft.

It would still be far cheaper. The Secret Service would be in one spot. They wouldn't have to travel. They wouldn't have to pay the Trump Organization for over priced rooms or golf carts. It would turn them into stationary guards.

a_unique_person · 12th June 2023, 02:39 PM

Karri Lake wants civil war.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...droidApp_Other

Dubalb will be pleased.

Frank Newgent · 12th June 2023, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

The documents include very valuable information that he could sell or use to blackmail people. Do you really think he kept documents related to nuclear weapons and the military capabilities of Middle Eastern countries just for ***** and giggles????

Hey, what does this look like to you?

Norman Alexander · 12th June 2023, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

Karri Lake wants civil war.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...droidApp_Other

Dubalb will be pleased.

Yeah, well...

Karri Lake is the failed candidate for Arizona governor, IIRC. Failed not only by a big margin at the ballot box, but also at each and every one of the subsequent attempts to prove that election rigged. So this would seem to be her last attempt to gain any notoriety, by threatening civil war.

Uh yeah. Sure, lady.

shemp · 12th June 2023, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

Karri Lake wants civil war.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...droidApp_Other

Dubalb will be pleased.

I hope she shows up in Miami tomorrow and tries to start a civil war. I look forward to her lifeless body being carried away in a body bag. But I predict she will be nowhere near there. People who call for violence aren't so keen on being the ones to commit it. They prefer to send others to do the dying.

Segnosaur · 12th June 2023, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

None of the charges carry a mandatory custodial sentence. And the judge, that apparently just HAS to preside over this case*, is a MAGA person. So, if found guilty you can bet your bottom dollar it won't come with a custodial sentence.

*I don't know exactly why, but thats why I've heard

The judge in the case does not HAVE to preside over the case. She can recuse herself. Or the 11th circuit might decide to remove her because they don't want the embarrassment. The DoJ can also apply to have her removed.

And even if he is found guilty but she decides "no jail time" I think the DoJ can appeal the sentence.

So it's not totally hopeless.

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Orphia Nay · 12th June 2023, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Trump supporters were also planning to load buses to head to Miami from other parts of Florida, raising concerns for law enforcement officials who are preparing for the potential of unrest around the courthouse. Miami Mayor Francis Suarez said the city would be ready, and police chief Manuel A. Morales said downtown could see anywhere from a few thousand up to 50,000 protesters. He said the city would be diverting traffic and possibly blocking streets depending on crowd size.

https://apnews.com/article/3e0c8e5d2...49f6f37f79be81

Wonder how many supporters he'll actually get. Expect the right to exaggerate the numbers.

smartcooky · 12th June 2023, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

Karri Lake wants civil war.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...droidApp_Other

Dubalb will be pleased.

I don't think that is at all fair.

While dudalb has been warning about civil war (and it seems on the current situation the US finds itself, with good reason) I don't think he wants one any more that any other reasonable person.

pgwenthold · 12th June 2023, 07:24 PM

So it has been observed that Trump has NOT been charged for possession of those documents that he actually returned when asked. The charges are for things far beyond that.

It's almost like they deliberately did not indict him for doing the same things that Biden and Pence did and the stuff he has been indicted on are different issues.

smartcooky · 12th June 2023, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Frank Newgent

Hey, what does this look like to you?

https://i.ibb.co/g7SnMtC/Fy-Zj1-Sr-X0-AA02d-H.jpg

A photocopier..... maybe?

Skeptic Ginger · 12th June 2023, 08:21 PM

Cannon won't preside tomorrow.

Magistrate to preside over Trump’s arraignment, not controversial Judge Aileen Cannon

Segnosaur · 12th June 2023, 08:42 PM

There is a glimmer that at least a few republicans are willing to turn on Trump over his handling of documents...

From: Politico
Nikki Haley on Monday called Donald Trump “reckless.” Tim Scott described the federal charges brought against him as “serious allegations.” It was far from an outright condemnation. But their comments marked a significant departure from the two presidential contenders’ initial reaction to Trump’s indictment.

From: The Hill
Senate Republican leaders, including Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), are staying quiet about former President Trump’s indictment on 37 criminal charges, letting him twist in the wind and breaking with House Republican leaders who have rushed to Trump’s defense... The Senate GOP leader’s top deputies — Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) and Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) — have also indicated they don’t want Trump to win the party’s 2024 presidential nomination.

Of course, if Trump does still manage to win the republican nomination, I am sure they will all dutifully fall in line and support him regardless of any comment they make now.

Aridas · 12th June 2023, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Frank Newgent

Hey, what does this look like to you?

https://i.ibb.co/g7SnMtC/Fy-Zj1-Sr-X0-AA02d-H.jpg

To me, like the same material as the wall.

Originally Posted by smartcooky

A photocopier..... maybe?

I've seen a similar claim and chose not to repeat it here because it doesn't look like a photocopier, to me. I could easily be wrong on this, of course, and either way, whether it is or isn't a copier is not all that meaningful in any way. Insecure access to copiers is pretty well a given, after all, given how horrendously insecure their chain of custody has been.

The Great Zaganza · 12th June 2023, 08:48 PM

Document boxes tend to end up in the copier room

Skeptic Ginger · 12th June 2023, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Aridas

To me, like the same material as the wall.

I've seen a similar claim and chose not to repeat it here because it doesn't look like a photocopier, to me. I could easily be wrong on this, of course, and either way, whether it is or isn't a copier is not all that meaningful in any way. Insecure access to copiers is pretty well a given, after all, given how horrendously insecure their chain of custody has been.

Looks like one to me and I've seen dozens of them since I provided services at other people's worksites. It's an older one, pre-1990s probably, but not surprising to find in a Trump basement.

Ladewig · 12th June 2023, 09:14 PM

If he does go to prison, I’m not sure I could stomach him saying that he is being treated worse than any prisoner in the history of the US.

Orphia Nay · 12th June 2023, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by Frank Newgent

Hey, what does this look like to you?

https://i.ibb.co/g7SnMtC/Fy-Zj1-Sr-X0-AA02d-H.jpg

It doesn't look like a photocopier to me.

It's too long and thin - see, it reaches the wall on the right.

It's also a bit lumpy.

JayUtah · 12th June 2023, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Cannon won't preside tomorrow.

Magistrate to preside over Trump’s arraignment, not controversial Judge Aileen Cannon

Don't read too much into this. An arraignment is purely procedural. The charges are read, the defendant pleads "not guilty," and the magistrate sets the briefing schedule and the next roll-call hearing. It's entirely normal for a magistrate to take care of this. It doesn't mean Judge Cannon won't be hearing the case.

JayUtah · 12th June 2023, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by Frank Newgent

Hey, what does this look like to you?

https://i.ibb.co/g7SnMtC/Fy-Zj1-Sr-X0-AA02d-H.jpg

The slanty part is not connected to the slabby part. It's behind it.

The Great Zaganza · 12th June 2023, 10:00 PM

Someone in Maralago described the pile of boxes as Trump's "Beautiful Mind".

It would make a lot of sense to me if Trump wanted to find evidence of The Deep State Conspiracy and use that to leverage his return to the White House.

Of course, he doesn't have the knowledge or patience to actually do anything but pick up random files, realize that he can hardly read, and put them back somewhere.

Skeptic Ginger · 12th June 2023, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by JayUtah

Don't read too much into this. An arraignment is purely procedural. The charges are read, the defendant pleads "not guilty," and the magistrate sets the briefing schedule and the next roll-call hearing. It's entirely normal for a magistrate to take care of this. It doesn't mean Judge Cannon won't be hearing the case.

No no, I recognized that, but it does mean that MAGA judge on her own can't dismiss the case tomorrow or put off a trial date until after the election.

I'm sure Smith and Garland can deal with future hiccoughs as they pop up.

Skeptic Ginger · 12th June 2023, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by JayUtah

The slanty part is not connected to the slabby part. It's behind it.

No it isn't connected. You can see from the shadow that means the slanty part is on the floor behind the thing suspected of being the copier.

But the layering, which is barely visible in the front of the thing suspected of being the copier, is consistent with paper trays.

I enlarged the image and the thing that looks like it is something flat-ish sitting on top of the suspect copier is actually the top of the box in the foreground.

I'm open to it being something else. But one would have to suggest an alternative object in order to assess the conclusion.

a_unique_person · 12th June 2023, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

No no, I recognized that, but it does mean that MAGA judge on her own can't dismiss the case tomorrow or put off a trial date until after the election.

I'm sure Smith and Garland can deal with future hiccoughs as they pop up.

She can grant Trump any delay he asks for,

jt512 · 12th June 2023, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss

The logistics of putting a former president in jail would seem to be prohibitive.

How so?

Skeptic Ginger · 13th June 2023, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

She can grant Trump any delay he asks for,

Not tomorrow if she isn't presiding over the arraignment.

See my post #291.

Gulliver Foyle · 13th June 2023, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

"His" Trump's? Or "his" Nauta's own? I know that's kind of a dumb question but I can see it in the realm of possibility that Trump expects Nauta to pay all the legal fees for both.

Trump's of course. You expect him to start putting his hands in his pockets now?

Gulliver Foyle · 13th June 2023, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

Well, theres Craggy Island, but thats in Ireland... but its not exactly NEW YORK, you wouldn't find it on any maps

We use that for priests only.

Gulliver Foyle · 13th June 2023, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Oh 99% chance he never even gets convicted of anything. SCOTUS will release it's "Oh we just totally read on the back of the Constitution that it's totally legit for President Trump to do anything he wants to stay in power." ruling before they let him go down.

While the six Roland Freislers are perfectly happy to use the opportunity Trump gave him, they're still not going to lift a finger in his defence. When the 11th circuit slapped down Cannon so hard they revealed that only the most rabid of his appointees are willing to personally defend him.

Susheel · 13th June 2023, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

It doesn't look like a photocopier to me.

It's too long and thin - see, it reaches the wall on the right.

It's also a bit lumpy.

I don't know...looks like a copier to me...

Mike! · 13th June 2023, 05:46 AM

I'm not sure what it is, but I'd be more inclined to think it's an older photocopier than not.
"Don't throw that out, it still works. Put it in Document Storage Room WC-2 and plug it in, I might need it from time to time."

The Great Zaganza · 13th June 2023, 06:21 AM

At some time, Trump stored the files in the Maralago Business Center - so yes they were very obviously close to a photocopier, that is not in question.

dirtywick · 13th June 2023, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by Mike!

I'm not sure what it is, but I'd be more inclined to think it's an older photocopier than not.
"Don't throw that out, it still works. Put it in Document Storage Room WC-2 and plug it in, I might need it from time to time."

"i was just grabbing some classified documents because about to take a shower when i noticed that copier. why do we still have that thing?"

Segnosaur · 13th June 2023, 06:58 AM

Trump is still having troubles finding lawyers to represent him in the case:

From: The Guardian
Trump is expected to be represented at his first court appearance to face federal criminal charges for retaining national security materials and obstruction of justice by two of his existing lawyers, despite trying to recruit a local Florida lawyer willing to join his legal defense team....Trump has also seemingly been unable to find a specialist national security lawyer, eligible to possess a security clearance, to help him navigate the Espionage Act charges....

A few possible reasons were given... Trump's reputation as a bad client (wanting lawyers to be political aides, not following advice), The strength of the case against him (leading to a likely loss, something most lawyers will want to avoid)

TurkeysGhost · 13th June 2023, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Trump is still having troubles finding lawyers to represent him in the case:

From: The Guardian
Trump is expected to be represented at his first court appearance to face federal criminal charges for retaining national security materials and obstruction of justice by two of his existing lawyers, despite trying to recruit a local Florida lawyer willing to join his legal defense team....Trump has also seemingly been unable to find a specialist national security lawyer, eligible to possess a security clearance, to help him navigate the Espionage Act charges....

A few possible reasons were given... Trump's reputation as a bad client (wanting lawyers to be political aides, not following advice), The strength of the case against him (leading to a likely loss, something most lawyers will want to avoid)

I doubt lawyers would be turned off from such a high profile case just because it may seem likely to lose.

I would guess Trump's reputation for not paying his bills and his famous lack of self-discipline would probably make him seem a not very good client. you can practically guarantee that Trump is going to continue to publicly discuss his case and whip up his mob of dead-ender cultists throughout the process, which sounds like a nightmare for any legal professional.

Darat · 13th June 2023, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Trump is still having troubles finding lawyers to represent him in the case:

From: The Guardian
Trump is expected to be represented at his first court appearance to face federal criminal charges for retaining national security materials and obstruction of justice by two of his existing lawyers, despite trying to recruit a local Florida lawyer willing to join his legal defense team....Trump has also seemingly been unable to find a specialist national security lawyer, eligible to possess a security clearance, to help him navigate the Espionage Act charges....

A few possible reasons were given... Trump's reputation as a bad client (wanting lawyers to be political aides, not following advice), The strength of the case against him (leading to a likely loss, something most lawyers will want to avoid)

You missed the biggest negative - he was interviewing them. I have a good imagination but even I struggle to imagine those interviews. I am sure they were pleased to learn that he has the finest legal mind on the planet....

pgwenthold · 13th June 2023, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost

I doubt lawyers would be turned off from such a high profile case just because it may seem likely to lose.

I would guess Trump's reputation for not paying his bills and his famous lack of self-discipline would probably make him seem a not very good client. you can practically guarantee that Trump is going to continue to publicly discuss his case and whip up his mob of dead-ender cultists throughout the process, which sounds like a nightmare for any legal professional.

Lawyers have no problem defending someone who they know is guilty, even when they are guilty as hell of the most vile acts. As professionals, they know they have a job to do, and they do their best to do it well. Everyone deserves a fair trial.

What they won't defend is a client who won't listen to them, follow their advice, or pay them.

Hercules56 · 13th June 2023, 07:13 AM

I am fascinated that the most damning evidence and testimony of the case comes from Trump's OWN lawyers!!!!

Only a buffoon would try to entangle his lawyers in criminal activity, thereby killing his attorney-client privilege.

Trump is not as smart as we thought.

lobosrul5 · 13th June 2023, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

I am fascinated that the most damning evidence and testimony of the case comes from Trump's OWN lawyers!!!!

Only a buffoon would try to entangle his lawyers in criminal activity, thereby killing his attorney-client privilege.

Trump is not as smart as we thought.

Who is we. I can't recall the exact moment, maybe when he suggested people drink bleach to clear their systems out of COVID, but I have been quite confident, and for quite some time, that the guy is about as sharp as a bowling ball.

lobosrul5 · 13th June 2023, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

Lawyers have no problem defending someone who they know is guilty, even when they are guilty as hell of the most vile acts. As professionals, they know they have a job to do, and they do their best to do it well. Everyone deserves a fair trial.

What they won't defend is a client who won't listen to them, follow their advice, or pay them.

Or asks them to participate in a defense strategy that will likely result in their disbarment.

dirtywick · 13th June 2023, 07:21 AM

he's about as smart as i thought. anyway, he did the same with michael cohen so this shouldn't be surprising either. just more of the same.

12th June 2023, 02:35 PM	#281
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 32,415	Originally Posted by Hercules56 Trump would obviously still get secret service protection in prison. That said if he is convicted and sentenced to prison time it would not be far-fetched if he was put in under house arrest. Since this does not involve any violent crimes or any theft. It would still be far cheaper. The Secret Service would be in one spot. They wouldn't have to travel. They wouldn't have to pay the Trump Organization for over priced rooms or golf carts. It would turn them into stationary guards.
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12th June 2023, 02:39 PM	#282
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 45,710	Karri Lake wants civil war. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...droidApp_Other Dubalb will be pleased.
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12th June 2023, 04:04 PM	#283
Frank Newgent Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 7,101	Originally Posted by Hercules56 The documents include very valuable information that he could sell or use to blackmail people. Do you really think he kept documents related to nuclear weapons and the military capabilities of Middle Eastern countries just for ***** and giggles???? Hey, what does this look like to you?
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12th June 2023, 04:19 PM	#284
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,717	Originally Posted by a_unique_person Karri Lake wants civil war. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...droidApp_Other Dubalb will be pleased. Yeah, well... Karri Lake is the failed candidate for Arizona governor, IIRC. Failed not only by a big margin at the ballot box, but also at each and every one of the subsequent attempts to prove that election rigged. So this would seem to be her last attempt to gain any notoriety, by threatening civil war. Uh yeah. Sure, lady.
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12th June 2023, 04:48 PM	#285
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Where the Old Man of the Mountain used to stand Posts: 56,652	Originally Posted by a_unique_person Karri Lake wants civil war. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...droidApp_Other Dubalb will be pleased. I hope she shows up in Miami tomorrow and tries to start a civil war. I look forward to her lifeless body being carried away in a body bag. But I predict she will be nowhere near there. People who call for violence aren't so keen on being the ones to commit it. They prefer to send others to do the dying.
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12th June 2023, 06:20 PM	#286
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 20,278	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 None of the charges carry a mandatory custodial sentence. And the judge, that apparently just HAS to preside over this case, is a MAGA person. So, if found guilty you can bet your bottom dollar it won't come with a custodial sentence. I don't know exactly why, but thats why I've heard The judge in the case does not HAVE to preside over the case. She can recuse herself. Or the 11th circuit might decide to remove her because they don't want the embarrassment. The DoJ can also apply to have her removed. And even if he is found guilty but she decides "no jail time" I think the DoJ can appeal the sentence. So it's not totally hopeless. Sent from my moto e using Tapatalk
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12th June 2023, 06:31 PM	#287
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 43,205	Quote: Trump supporters were also planning to load buses to head to Miami from other parts of Florida, raising concerns for law enforcement officials who are preparing for the potential of unrest around the courthouse. Miami Mayor Francis Suarez said the city would be ready, and police chief Manuel A. Morales said downtown could see anywhere from a few thousand up to 50,000 protesters. He said the city would be diverting traffic and possibly blocking streets depending on crowd size. https://apnews.com/article/3e0c8e5d2...49f6f37f79be81 Wonder how many supporters he'll actually get. Expect the right to exaggerate the numbers.

12th June 2023, 07:22 PM	#288
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 24,483	Originally Posted by a_unique_person Karri Lake wants civil war. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...droidApp_Other Dubalb will be pleased. I don't think that is at all fair. While dudalb has been warning about civil war (and it seems on the current situation the US finds itself, with good reason) I don't think he wants one any more that any other reasonable person.
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12th June 2023, 07:24 PM	#289
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 21,247	So it has been observed that Trump has NOT been charged for possession of those documents that he actually returned when asked. The charges are for things far beyond that. It's almost like they deliberately did not indict him for doing the same things that Biden and Pence did and the stuff he has been indicted on are different issues.
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12th June 2023, 07:24 PM	#290
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 24,483	Originally Posted by Frank Newgent Hey, what does this look like to you? https://i.ibb.co/g7SnMtC/Fy-Zj1-Sr-X0-AA02d-H.jpg A photocopier..... maybe?
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12th June 2023, 08:21 PM	#291
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 95,062	Cannon won't preside tomorrow. Magistrate to preside over Trump’s arraignment, not controversial Judge Aileen Cannon

12th June 2023, 08:42 PM	#292
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 20,278	There is a glimmer that at least a few republicans are willing to turn on Trump over his handling of documents... From: Politico Nikki Haley on Monday called Donald Trump “reckless.” Tim Scott described the federal charges brought against him as “serious allegations.” It was far from an outright condemnation. But their comments marked a significant departure from the two presidential contenders’ initial reaction to Trump’s indictment. From: The Hill Senate Republican leaders, including Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), are staying quiet about former President Trump’s indictment on 37 criminal charges, letting him twist in the wind and breaking with House Republican leaders who have rushed to Trump’s defense... The Senate GOP leader’s top deputies — Senate Republican Whip John Thune (S.D.) and Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) — have also indicated they don’t want Trump to win the party’s 2024 presidential nomination. Of course, if Trump does still manage to win the republican nomination, I am sure they will all dutifully fall in line and support him regardless of any comment they make now.
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12th June 2023, 08:43 PM	#293
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 10,241	Originally Posted by Frank Newgent Hey, what does this look like to you? https://i.ibb.co/g7SnMtC/Fy-Zj1-Sr-X0-AA02d-H.jpg To me, like the same material as the wall. Originally Posted by smartcooky A photocopier..... maybe? I've seen a similar claim and chose not to repeat it here because it doesn't look like a photocopier, to me. I could easily be wrong on this, of course, and either way, whether it is or isn't a copier is not all that meaningful in any way. Insecure access to copiers is pretty well a given, after all, given how horrendously insecure their chain of custody has been.
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12th June 2023, 08:48 PM	#294
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12th June 2023, 09:12 PM	#295
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 95,062	Originally Posted by Aridas To me, like the same material as the wall. I've seen a similar claim and chose not to repeat it here because it doesn't look like a photocopier, to me. I could easily be wrong on this, of course, and either way, whether it is or isn't a copier is not all that meaningful in any way. Insecure access to copiers is pretty well a given, after all, given how horrendously insecure their chain of custody has been. Looks like one to me and I've seen dozens of them since I provided services at other people's worksites. It's an older one, pre-1990s probably, but not surprising to find in a Trump basement.
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12th June 2023, 09:14 PM	#296
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,781	If he does go to prison, I’m not sure I could stomach him saying that he is being treated worse than any prisoner in the history of the US.
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12th June 2023, 09:20 PM	#297
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 43,205	Originally Posted by Frank Newgent Hey, what does this look like to you? https://i.ibb.co/g7SnMtC/Fy-Zj1-Sr-X0-AA02d-H.jpg It doesn't look like a photocopier to me. It's too long and thin - see, it reaches the wall on the right. It's also a bit lumpy.

12th June 2023, 09:36 PM	#298
JayUtah Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The great American West Posts: 23,279	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Cannon won't preside tomorrow. Magistrate to preside over Trump’s arraignment, not controversial Judge Aileen Cannon Don't read too much into this. An arraignment is purely procedural. The charges are read, the defendant pleads "not guilty," and the magistrate sets the briefing schedule and the next roll-call hearing. It's entirely normal for a magistrate to take care of this. It doesn't mean Judge Cannon won't be hearing the case.

12th June 2023, 09:36 PM	#299
JayUtah Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The great American West Posts: 23,279	Originally Posted by Frank Newgent Hey, what does this look like to you? https://i.ibb.co/g7SnMtC/Fy-Zj1-Sr-X0-AA02d-H.jpg The slanty part is not connected to the slabby part. It's behind it.

12th June 2023, 10:00 PM	#300
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Photo Contest Winner Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 20,687	Someone in Maralago described the pile of boxes as Trump's "Beautiful Mind". It would make a lot of sense to me if Trump wanted to find evidence of The Deep State Conspiracy and use that to leverage his return to the White House. Of course, he doesn't have the knowledge or patience to actually do anything but pick up random files, realize that he can hardly read, and put them back somewhere.
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12th June 2023, 11:03 PM	#301
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 95,062	Originally Posted by JayUtah Don't read too much into this. An arraignment is purely procedural. The charges are read, the defendant pleads "not guilty," and the magistrate sets the briefing schedule and the next roll-call hearing. It's entirely normal for a magistrate to take care of this. It doesn't mean Judge Cannon won't be hearing the case. No no, I recognized that, but it does mean that MAGA judge on her own can't dismiss the case tomorrow or put off a trial date until after the election. I'm sure Smith and Garland can deal with future hiccoughs as they pop up.
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12th June 2023, 11:11 PM	#302
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 95,062	Originally Posted by JayUtah The slanty part is not connected to the slabby part. It's behind it. No it isn't connected. You can see from the shadow that means the slanty part is on the floor behind the thing suspected of being the copier. But the layering, which is barely visible in the front of the thing suspected of being the copier, is consistent with paper trays. I enlarged the image and the thing that looks like it is something flat-ish sitting on top of the suspect copier is actually the top of the box in the foreground. I'm open to it being something else. But one would have to suggest an alternative object in order to assess the conclusion.
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12th June 2023, 11:28 PM	#303
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 45,710	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger No no, I recognized that, but it does mean that MAGA judge on her own can't dismiss the case tomorrow or put off a trial date until after the election. I'm sure Smith and Garland can deal with future hiccoughs as they pop up. She can grant Trump any delay he asks for,
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12th June 2023, 11:28 PM	#304
jt512 Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,297	Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss The logistics of putting a former president in jail would seem to be prohibitive. How so?
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13th June 2023, 12:14 AM	#305
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 95,062	Originally Posted by a_unique_person She can grant Trump any delay he asks for, Not tomorrow if she isn't presiding over the arraignment. See my post #291.

13th June 2023, 03:28 AM	#306
Gulliver Foyle Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 2,403	Originally Posted by alfaniner "His" Trump's? Or "his" Nauta's own? I know that's kind of a dumb question but I can see it in the realm of possibility that Trump expects Nauta to pay all the legal fees for both. Trump's of course. You expect him to start putting his hands in his pockets now?
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13th June 2023, 03:41 AM	#307
Gulliver Foyle Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 2,403	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 Well, theres Craggy Island, but thats in Ireland... but its not exactly NEW YORK, you wouldn't find it on any maps We use that for priests only.
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13th June 2023, 03:44 AM	#308
Gulliver Foyle Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 2,403	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Oh 99% chance he never even gets convicted of anything. SCOTUS will release it's "Oh we just totally read on the back of the Constitution that it's totally legit for President Trump to do anything he wants to stay in power." ruling before they let him go down. While the six Roland Freislers are perfectly happy to use the opportunity Trump gave him, they're still not going to lift a finger in his defence. When the 11th circuit slapped down Cannon so hard they revealed that only the most rabid of his appointees are willing to personally defend him.
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13th June 2023, 05:39 AM	#309
Susheel Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 3,290	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay It doesn't look like a photocopier to me. It's too long and thin - see, it reaches the wall on the right. It's also a bit lumpy. I don't know...looks like a copier to me...
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13th June 2023, 05:46 AM	#310
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 51,514	I'm not sure what it is, but I'd be more inclined to think it's an older photocopier than not. "Don't throw that out, it still works. Put it in Document Storage Room WC-2 and plug it in, I might need it from time to time."
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13th June 2023, 06:21 AM	#311
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Photo Contest Winner Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 20,687	At some time, Trump stored the files in the Maralago Business Center - so yes they were very obviously close to a photocopier, that is not in question.
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13th June 2023, 06:23 AM	#312
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,756	Originally Posted by Mike! I'm not sure what it is, but I'd be more inclined to think it's an older photocopier than not. "Don't throw that out, it still works. Put it in Document Storage Room WC-2 and plug it in, I might need it from time to time." "i was just grabbing some classified documents because about to take a shower when i noticed that copier. why do we still have that thing?"
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13th June 2023, 06:58 AM	#313
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 20,278	Trump is still having troubles finding lawyers to represent him in the case: From: The Guardian Trump is expected to be represented at his first court appearance to face federal criminal charges for retaining national security materials and obstruction of justice by two of his existing lawyers, despite trying to recruit a local Florida lawyer willing to join his legal defense team....Trump has also seemingly been unable to find a specialist national security lawyer, eligible to possess a security clearance, to help him navigate the Espionage Act charges.... A few possible reasons were given... Trump's reputation as a bad client (wanting lawyers to be political aides, not following advice), The strength of the case against him (leading to a likely loss, something most lawyers will want to avoid)
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13th June 2023, 07:04 AM	#314
TurkeysGhost Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 34,390	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Trump is still having troubles finding lawyers to represent him in the case: From: The Guardian Trump is expected to be represented at his first court appearance to face federal criminal charges for retaining national security materials and obstruction of justice by two of his existing lawyers, despite trying to recruit a local Florida lawyer willing to join his legal defense team....Trump has also seemingly been unable to find a specialist national security lawyer, eligible to possess a security clearance, to help him navigate the Espionage Act charges.... A few possible reasons were given... Trump's reputation as a bad client (wanting lawyers to be political aides, not following advice), The strength of the case against him (leading to a likely loss, something most lawyers will want to avoid) I doubt lawyers would be turned off from such a high profile case just because it may seem likely to lose. I would guess Trump's reputation for not paying his bills and his famous lack of self-discipline would probably make him seem a not very good client. you can practically guarantee that Trump is going to continue to publicly discuss his case and whip up his mob of dead-ender cultists throughout the process, which sounds like a nightmare for any legal professional.
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13th June 2023, 07:06 AM	#315
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 111,118	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Trump is still having troubles finding lawyers to represent him in the case: From: The Guardian Trump is expected to be represented at his first court appearance to face federal criminal charges for retaining national security materials and obstruction of justice by two of his existing lawyers, despite trying to recruit a local Florida lawyer willing to join his legal defense team....Trump has also seemingly been unable to find a specialist national security lawyer, eligible to possess a security clearance, to help him navigate the Espionage Act charges.... A few possible reasons were given... Trump's reputation as a bad client (wanting lawyers to be political aides, not following advice), The strength of the case against him (leading to a likely loss, something most lawyers will want to avoid) You missed the biggest negative - he was interviewing them. I have a good imagination but even I struggle to imagine those interviews. I am sure they were pleased to learn that he has the finest legal mind on the planet....
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