[Continuation] Dear Users… (A thread for Sysadmin, Technical Support, and Help Desk people) Part 11 - Page 3

TragicMonkey · 10th August 2023, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by Blue Mountain

But does anyone know what a card catalogue is these days? Or a Rolodex? Or cuneiform tablets?

A Rolodex of cuneiform tablets would be very loud, wouldn't it?

My favorite idea for a database is to write each piece of information on an index card then tape it to an animal's stomach and set it loose in the wild. Anybody wants data they're going to have to really work for it. Especially the eagle and shark fields.

rdaneel · 10th August 2023, 11:12 AM

A Bunch of Rocks

catsmate · 10th August 2023, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Most enterprises have their own, which were originally developed decades ago by people who didn't know what they were doing.

Oh **** yes. Idiots with delusions.

Originally Posted by Blue Mountain

But does anyone know what a card catalogue is these days? Or a Rolodex? Or cuneiform tablets?

I once created a database (in Access) that was used to print labels that were stuck on index cards.

Norman Alexander · 10th August 2023, 05:03 PM

This stuff has been around a while: Memex

novaphile · 10th August 2023, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Blue Mountain

But does anyone know what a card catalogue is these days? Or a Rolodex? Or cuneiform tablets?

I'm pretty sure that people still know what business cards are...

(And diaries)

arthwollipot · 10th August 2023, 05:56 PM

FFS! It's 2023. It's beyond time people understood what the "subject" field in an email was for.

There's another job in our queue where someone tried to type up their whole issue in the Subject field, and it was, of course, truncated so we don't know what's actually going on.

arthwollipot · 10th August 2023, 06:34 PM

Also, remember I mentioned our Cyberark system which is supposed to manage all of our elevated access permissions and passwords? It's down right now, which is making it difficult to do the New Starter Requests for Monday because that process requires elevation several times.

There are workarounds, but it's hard to describe how badly this affects my (probably) autistic and highly process-dependent brain. I'm literally getting cripplingly confused at every step. Fortunately I have coping strategies in place - I'm referring to my checklist for literally everything.

Finally, does anyone know how to tell Excel 365 to paste only the value when using Ctrl-V? NOTE: I don't want to use Ctrl-Shift-V - that would require changing my muscle memory. I have checked File - Options - Advanced, and none of the options change the default pasting behaviour. I've found one ******** source that says to use a macro (**** that).

No, don't bother. I'm using ******* Notepad instead.

Wudang · 10th August 2023, 07:40 PM

Lots of answers here which boil down to No.
https://superuser.com/questions/6832...ion-formatting

Nearest options are a quick access button or doing " control-v, ctrl, v" Both of which would mess with muscle memory.

arthwollipot · 10th August 2023, 07:51 PM

Okay, so remember this?

My boss just confirmed that I'll be buying myself a house this Christmas.

Wudang · 10th August 2023, 08:02 PM

Nice!

Blue Mountain · 10th August 2023, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

FFS! It's 2023. It's beyond time people understood what the "subject" field in an email was for.

There's another job in our queue where someone tried to type up their whole issue in the Subject field, and it was, of course, truncated so we don't know what's actually going on.

I had the opposite problem in one job. The office manager, otherwise a capable and intelligent person, always sent out emails with one word subject lines like "Problem" or "Dec 26."

arthwollipot · 10th August 2023, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Blue Mountain

I had the opposite problem in one job. The office manager, otherwise a capable and intelligent person, always sent out emails with one word subject lines like "Problem" or "Dec 26."

Oh, we definitely get those, too.

Norman Alexander · 10th August 2023, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Okay, so remember this?

My boss just confirmed that I'll be buying myself a house this Christmas.

A real one or a Barbie one?

Norman Alexander · 10th August 2023, 11:45 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Also, remember I mentioned our Cyberark system which is supposed to manage all of our elevated access permissions and passwords? It's down right now, which is making it difficult to do the New Starter Requests for Monday because that process requires elevation several times.

There are workarounds, but it's hard to describe how badly this affects my (probably) autistic and highly process-dependent brain. I'm literally getting cripplingly confused at every step. Fortunately I have coping strategies in place - I'm referring to my checklist for literally everything.

Finally, does anyone know how to tell Excel 365 to paste only the value when using Ctrl-V? NOTE: I don't want to use Ctrl-Shift-V - that would require changing my muscle memory. I have checked File - Options - Advanced, and none of the options change the default pasting behaviour. I've found one ******** source that says to use a macro (**** that).

No, don't bother. I'm using ******* Notepad instead.

Umm...right-click, then the paste button you want has "123" in tiny text on the icon.

arthwollipot · 10th August 2023, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Umm...right-click, then the paste button you want has "123" in tiny text on the icon.

Again, I don't want to upset my muscle memory. I want Ctrl-V to do what it is supposed to do, which is paste only what I want it to. And it should know what I want without my having to tell it every time. That's what "default behaviour" means.

Also this is one of those situations where I'm alt-tabbing and using my keyboard, so taking my hand off my keyboard to mouse over and right click actually takes longer.

arthwollipot · 10th August 2023, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

A real one or a Barbie one?

Probably only a Barbie one, unfortunately. I'll find out exactly how much I'm going to get in September, and then actually get it in October. I'm expecting a substantial amount, but not an excessive amount.

Norman Alexander · 10th August 2023, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Again, I don't want to upset my muscle memory. I want Ctrl-V to do what it is supposed to do, which is paste only what I want it to. And it should know what I want without my having to tell it every time. That's what "default behaviour" means.

Also this is one of those situations where I'm alt-tabbing and using my keyboard, so taking my hand off my keyboard to mouse over and right click actually takes longer.

Don't know if this helps, but apparently you can restore the "previous" shortcut behaviour.

https://insider.microsoft365.com/ja-...ortcut-in-word

arthwollipot · 11th August 2023, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Don't know if this helps, but apparently you can restore the "previous" shortcut behaviour.

https://insider.microsoft365.com/ja-...ortcut-in-word

That article works for Word, sure.

It's okay. I don't need a solution any more. I worked around the problem.

catsmate · 11th August 2023, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

This stuff has been around a while: Memex

Ah, I remember it's appearances in the Laundry books.

catsmate · 11th August 2023, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Also, remember I mentioned our Cyberark system which is supposed to manage all of our elevated access permissions and passwords? It's down right now, which is making it difficult to do the New Starter Requests for Monday because that process requires elevation several times.

There are workarounds, but it's hard to describe how badly this affects my (probably) autistic and highly process-dependent brain. I'm literally getting cripplingly confused at every step. Fortunately I have coping strategies in place - I'm referring to my checklist for literally everything.

Finally, does anyone know how to tell Excel 365 to paste only the value when using Ctrl-V? NOTE: I don't want to use Ctrl-Shift-V - that would require changing my muscle memory. I have checked File - Options - Advanced, and none of the options change the default pasting behaviour. I've found one ******** source that says to use a macro (**** that).

No, don't bother. I'm using ******* Notepad instead.

I don't have O365 to hand, I'm on #2 tablet, but IIRR it's in Options under Advanced. There should be an Edit (?) option where you can select a few options, including somehing like "Paste values".

Mongrel · 11th August 2023, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Ah, I remember it's appearances in the Laundry books.

It's only reason I'd heard of it

JoeMorgue · 11th August 2023, 09:21 AM

Dear Users,

If the problem really was important you wouldn't forget about it until you saw me passing by on the way to fixing another issue for someone who actually knows how to use our ticketing system and put a trouble call in properly.

In fact in general I don't find the fact that you have a problem every time I see you anywhere near as cutesy poo or charming as you seem too.

novaphile · 11th August 2023, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

...

Finally, does anyone know how to tell Excel 365 to paste only the value when using Ctrl-V? NOTE: I don't want to use Ctrl-Shift-V - that would require changing my muscle memory. I have checked File - Options - Advanced, and none of the options change the default pasting behaviour. I've found one ******** source that says to use a macro (**** that).

No, don't bother. I'm using ******* Notepad instead.

Just a quick warning that pasting in Excel can result in some really weird stuff.

For example, if Excel decides that something looks like it may be a date, it will convert the text into a date and store it as a weird number in the cell.

I ran into this problem a lot when dealing with street number ranges in addresses, for example Excel would convert the number range 1-11 (one to eleven) to 1 November.

The way to avoid that kind of thing, was to specifically set a cell's format to 'text' before performing a paste operation.

(It was really annoying to find that Excel had polluted thousands of addresses in an extract in this manner)

TragicMonkey · 11th August 2023, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Dear Users,

If the problem really was important you wouldn't forget about it until you saw me passing by on the way to fixing another issue for someone who actually knows how to use our ticketing system and put a trouble call in properly.

In fact in general I don't find the fact that you have a problem every time I see you anywhere near as cutesy poo or charming as you seem too.

"The IT guy is hot but he has no clue when people are trying to flirt with him!"
"Let's break some more stuff and you can try again!"

jeremyp · 14th August 2023, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

technically, it IS a database. A really, REALLY simple, dumb, feature-free database. But even so...

That's not true. Excel is not dumb and it's not feature free. The problem with Excel is that it is not scalable either in size or to multiple users.

Wudang · 14th August 2023, 11:45 AM

Actually although not a fan, having worked where it was the only tool vaguely usable, I found it's quite powerful, especially once you fire up the IDE.

malbui · 14th August 2023, 12:09 PM

I would be very reluctant to use Excel for any modelling leading to significant decisions, and over the years I’ve broken a few colleagues’ fingers for trying to do so, but on a lot of my data analysis tasks I tend to throw the initial datasets into Excel first of all just to get an ideal of look and feel. It has some useful functionality for first pass reviews.

CORed · 14th August 2023, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

I may have broken the spacetime continuum. One of my systems is reporting that there are -2 tasks assigned to me.

I think it just means that you've already performed two tasks that you didn't know you needed to perform yet.

TragicMonkey · 14th August 2023, 02:09 PM

"I don't understand why the Apples Generator can't exactly reproduce the work you did in the Orange Productor."

rdaneel · 14th August 2023, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

"I don't understand why the Apples Generator can't exactly reproduce the work you did in the Orange Productor."

Have you tried the Banana Fabricator?

TragicMonkey · 14th August 2023, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by rdaneel

Have you tried the Banana Fabricator?

Actually the solution really is to farm it out to another team that uses another tool that can do part of the work of each of the others.

Norman Alexander · 14th August 2023, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by jeremyp

That's not true. Excel is not dumb and it's not feature free. The problem with Excel is that it is not scalable either in size or to multiple users.

I know. I use it a lot. But most users don't get beyond one simple worksheet as a set of pigeonholes for text.

TragicMonkey · 18th August 2023, 08:08 AM

I hate Fridays now. I slack off on Fridays, which means I don't do anything. But apparently other people slack off on Fridays by continuing to do stuff, but switching off their brains. So far two different people have asked me what the difference is between the "exclusion list" and the "inclusion list". Gee, I don't know, it's a huge mystery. Better budget half a million bucks for a deep-dive exploration by committee.

angrysoba · 20th August 2023, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I hate Fridays now. I slack off on Fridays, which means I don't do anything. But apparently other people slack off on Fridays by continuing to do stuff, but switching off their brains. So far two different people have asked me what the difference is between the "exclusion list" and the "inclusion list". Gee, I don't know, it's a huge mystery. Better budget half a million bucks for a deep-dive exploration by committee.

POETS Day, innit, mate!

Skeptical Greg · 20th August 2023, 03:10 PM

Spent an hour in a chat session with LG support.

I had a month old TV and the remote stopped working after stuttering a little bit.
I did all the obvious stuff: batteries, re-paired , & etc..

The clincher, was that I have another LG TV and the remote is working fine with the new TV . I provided this information more than once in the discussion that followed.

I know the support person has to follow a script, so I patiently went over everything they wanted me to try.. Well, I lied, because i had already done it.

They wanted me to check for debris ( crumbs ) around the keys.

I explained the Power On/Off key was not working, so all the Dorito dust on the other keys did not matter.. They chuckled at this.

When all was said and done they were going to send me a new remote.

We spent another 10 minutes verifying my particulars. When I pointed out I was registered at LG, and they already had all this information, and it was good, otherwise I would be concerned about getting the new remote they are sending me.

They conceded, and there you go.

Their flow chart should consider that people will lie about going through the check-list, and they should just get it over with, and save everyone a little time and money.

I realize if it was the TV itself, or another high cost item, they need to be a bit more circumspect, but the remote? Come on..

I gave them 5 stars for solving my problem.. All the bull crap I had to go through was not their fault.. I've been there.

Trebuchet · 20th August 2023, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg

Spent an hour in a chat session with LG support.

Just an hour? I spent months trying to get them to fix a fridge! Hours and hours on the phone with idiots! Weeks of buying ice to stick in a cooler and keep us going.
By the time they'd fixed it, we had bought a new one from someone else. Which was broken on arrival.

Skeptical Greg · 20th August 2023, 05:20 PM

I'm guessing you did not use the link to email the president..

https://www.lg.com/us/support/email-to-president

Like me, you probably thought " What the hell can Biden do ? " .

arthwollipot · 20th August 2023, 06:11 PM

I'm back! What'd I miss?

Originally Posted by jeremyp

That's not true. Excel is not dumb and it's not feature free. The problem with Excel is that it is not scalable either in size or to multiple users.

Excel has spreadsheet features, and quite good ones, not database features. The requirements are different.

Norman Alexander · 20th August 2023, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

I'm back! What'd I miss?

Excel has spreadsheet features, and quite good ones, not database features. The requirements are different.

Quite true. Excel is effectively a bunch of relational tables. So you can "sort of" cobble it together to make it run as a fairly effective database. And that's often enough for the single user with a basic requirement.

But if you want to get into the full database mode - fully linked tables with different types of linkages, views, sharing and locking, transaction logging & rollbacks, etc. - Excel ain't it. For that, you need...Access!

arthwollipot · 20th August 2023, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Quite true. Excel is effectively a bunch of relational tables. So you can "sort of" cobble it together to make it run as a fairly effective database. And that's often enough for the single user with a basic requirement.

But if you want to get into the full database mode - fully linked tables with different types of linkages, views, sharing and locking, transaction logging & rollbacks, etc. - Excel ain't it. For that, you need...Access!

Exactly. Excel is great at what it is designed for - number crunching.

What really annoys me is where someone has used Excel for text-only data. Excel is for numbers! If you want to use words, use... well... Word. The Table functions in Word are fantastic.

Use the right tool for the job, damn it!

10th August 2023, 06:36 AM	#81
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 66,989	Originally Posted by Blue Mountain But does anyone know what a card catalogue is these days? Or a Rolodex? Or cuneiform tablets? A Rolodex of cuneiform tablets would be very loud, wouldn't it? My favorite idea for a database is to write each piece of information on an index card then tape it to an animal's stomach and set it loose in the wild. Anybody wants data they're going to have to really work for it. Especially the eagle and shark fields.
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10th August 2023, 11:12 AM	#82
rdaneel Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: I'M IN THE PHONEBOOK! I'M SOMEBODY!!! Posts: 4,688	A Bunch of Rocks
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10th August 2023, 01:22 PM	#83
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 29,319	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Most enterprises have their own, which were originally developed decades ago by people who didn't know what they were doing. Oh ** yes. Idiots with delusions. Originally Posted by Blue Mountain** But does anyone know what a card catalogue is these days? Or a Rolodex? Or cuneiform tablets? I once created a database (in Access) that was used to print labels that were stuck on index cards.
	__________________ As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.

10th August 2023, 05:03 PM	#84
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,717	This stuff has been around a while: Memex
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

10th August 2023, 05:27 PM	#85
novaphile Quester of Doglets Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sunny South Australia Posts: 5,607	Originally Posted by Blue Mountain But does anyone know what a card catalogue is these days? Or a Rolodex? Or cuneiform tablets? I'm pretty sure that people still know what business cards are... (And diaries)
	__________________ We would be better, and braver, to engage in enquiry, rather than indulge in the idle fancy, that we already know -- Plato.

10th August 2023, 05:56 PM	#86
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,444	FFS! It's 2023. It's beyond time people understood what the "subject" field in an email was for. There's another job in our queue where someone tried to type up their whole issue in the Subject field, and it was, of course, truncated so we don't know what's actually going on.
	__________________ A million people can call the mountains a fiction Yet it need not trouble you as you stand atop them https://xkcd.com/154/

10th August 2023, 06:34 PM	#87
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,444	Also, remember I mentioned our Cyberark system which is supposed to manage all of our elevated access permissions and passwords? It's down right now, which is making it difficult to do the New Starter Requests for Monday because that process requires elevation several times. There are workarounds, but it's hard to describe how badly this affects my (probably) autistic and highly process-dependent brain. I'm literally getting cripplingly confused at every step. Fortunately I have coping strategies in place - I'm referring to my checklist for literally everything. Finally, does anyone know how to tell Excel 365 to paste only the value when using Ctrl-V? NOTE: I don't want to use Ctrl-Shift-V - that would require changing my muscle memory. I have checked File - Options - Advanced, and none of the options change the default pasting behaviour. I've found one ****** source that says to use a macro ( that). No, don't bother. I'm using ***** Notepad instead.
	__________________ A million people can call the mountains a fiction Yet it need not trouble you as you stand atop them https://xkcd.com/154/

10th August 2023, 07:40 PM	#88
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 15,774	Lots of answers here which boil down to No. https://superuser.com/questions/6832...ion-formatting Nearest options are a quick access button or doing " control-v, ctrl, v" Both of which would mess with muscle memory.
	__________________ "Your deepest pools, like your deepest politicians and philosophers, often turn out more shallow than expected." Walter Scott.

10th August 2023, 07:51 PM	#89
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,444	Okay, so remember this? My boss just confirmed that I'll be buying myself a house this Christmas.
	__________________ A million people can call the mountains a fiction Yet it need not trouble you as you stand atop them https://xkcd.com/154/

10th August 2023, 08:02 PM	#90
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 15,774	Nice!
	__________________ "Your deepest pools, like your deepest politicians and philosophers, often turn out more shallow than expected." Walter Scott.

10th August 2023, 10:25 PM	#91
Blue Mountain Resident Skeptical Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Waging war on woo-woo in Winnipeg Posts: 7,489	Originally Posted by arthwollipot FFS! It's 2023. It's beyond time people understood what the "subject" field in an email was for. There's another job in our queue where someone tried to type up their whole issue in the Subject field, and it was, of course, truncated so we don't know what's actually going on. I had the opposite problem in one job. The office manager, otherwise a capable and intelligent person, always sent out emails with one word subject lines like "Problem" or "Dec 26."
	__________________ The social illusion reigns to-day upon all the heaped-up ruins of the past, and to it belongs the future. The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Gustav Le Bon, The Crowd, 1895 (from the French)

10th August 2023, 10:51 PM	#92
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,444	Originally Posted by Blue Mountain I had the opposite problem in one job. The office manager, otherwise a capable and intelligent person, always sent out emails with one word subject lines like "Problem" or "Dec 26." Oh, we definitely get those, too.
	__________________ A million people can call the mountains a fiction Yet it need not trouble you as you stand atop them https://xkcd.com/154/

10th August 2023, 11:43 PM	#93
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,717	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Okay, so remember this? My boss just confirmed that I'll be buying myself a house this Christmas. A real one or a Barbie one?
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

10th August 2023, 11:45 PM	#94
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,717	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Also, remember I mentioned our Cyberark system which is supposed to manage all of our elevated access permissions and passwords? It's down right now, which is making it difficult to do the New Starter Requests for Monday because that process requires elevation several times. There are workarounds, but it's hard to describe how badly this affects my (probably) autistic and highly process-dependent brain. I'm literally getting cripplingly confused at every step. Fortunately I have coping strategies in place - I'm referring to my checklist for literally everything. Finally, does anyone know how to tell Excel 365 to paste only the value when using Ctrl-V? NOTE: I don't want to use Ctrl-Shift-V - that would require changing my muscle memory. I have checked File - Options - Advanced, and none of the options change the default pasting behaviour. I've found one ****** source that says to use a macro ( that). No, don't bother. I'm using ***** Notepad instead. Umm...right-click, then the paste button you want has "123" in tiny text on the icon.
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

10th August 2023, 11:51 PM	#95
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,444	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Umm...right-click, then the paste button you want has "123" in tiny text on the icon. Again, I don't want to upset my muscle memory. I want Ctrl-V to do what it is supposed to do, which is paste only what I want it to. And it should know what I want without my having to tell it every time. That's what "default behaviour" means. Also this is one of those situations where I'm alt-tabbing and using my keyboard, so taking my hand off my keyboard to mouse over and right click actually takes longer.
	__________________ A million people can call the mountains a fiction Yet it need not trouble you as you stand atop them https://xkcd.com/154/

10th August 2023, 11:52 PM	#96
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,444	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander A real one or a Barbie one? Probably only a Barbie one, unfortunately. I'll find out exactly how much I'm going to get in September, and then actually get it in October. I'm expecting a substantial amount, but not an excessive amount.
	__________________ A million people can call the mountains a fiction Yet it need not trouble you as you stand atop them https://xkcd.com/154/

10th August 2023, 11:55 PM	#97
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,717	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Again, I don't want to upset my muscle memory. I want Ctrl-V to do what it is supposed to do, which is paste only what I want it to. And it should know what I want without my having to tell it every time. That's what "default behaviour" means. Also this is one of those situations where I'm alt-tabbing and using my keyboard, so taking my hand off my keyboard to mouse over and right click actually takes longer. Don't know if this helps, but apparently you can restore the "previous" shortcut behaviour. https://insider.microsoft365.com/ja-...ortcut-in-word
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

11th August 2023, 12:07 AM	#98
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 84,444	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Don't know if this helps, but apparently you can restore the "previous" shortcut behaviour. https://insider.microsoft365.com/ja-...ortcut-in-word That article works for Word, sure. It's okay. I don't need a solution any more. I worked around the problem.
	__________________ A million people can call the mountains a fiction Yet it need not trouble you as you stand atop them https://xkcd.com/154/

11th August 2023, 04:02 AM	#99
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 29,319	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander This stuff has been around a while: Memex Ah, I remember it's appearances in the Laundry books.
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11th August 2023, 04:05 AM	#100
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 29,319	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Also, remember I mentioned our Cyberark system which is supposed to manage all of our elevated access permissions and passwords? It's down right now, which is making it difficult to do the New Starter Requests for Monday because that process requires elevation several times. There are workarounds, but it's hard to describe how badly this affects my (probably) autistic and highly process-dependent brain. I'm literally getting cripplingly confused at every step. Fortunately I have coping strategies in place - I'm referring to my checklist for literally everything. Finally, does anyone know how to tell Excel 365 to paste only the value when using Ctrl-V? NOTE: I don't want to use Ctrl-Shift-V - that would require changing my muscle memory. I have checked File - Options - Advanced, and none of the options change the default pasting behaviour. I've found one ****** source that says to use a macro ( that). No, don't bother. I'm using ***** Notepad instead. I don't have O365 to hand, I'm on #2 tablet, but IIRR it's in Options under Advanced. There should be an Edit (?) option where you can select a few options, including somehing like "Paste values".
	__________________ As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.

11th August 2023, 07:20 AM	#101
Mongrel Begging for Scraps Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK, suburbia. 20 minutes in the future Posts: 2,234	Originally Posted by catsmate Ah, I remember it's appearances in the Laundry books. It's only reason I'd heard of it
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11th August 2023, 09:21 AM	#102
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 45,240	Dear Users, If the problem really was important you wouldn't forget about it until you saw me passing by on the way to fixing another issue for someone who actually knows how to use our ticketing system and put a trouble call in properly. In fact in general I don't find the fact that you have a problem every time I see you anywhere near as cutesy poo or charming as you seem too.
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11th August 2023, 07:12 PM	#103
novaphile Quester of Doglets Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sunny South Australia Posts: 5,607	Originally Posted by arthwollipot ... Finally, does anyone know how to tell Excel 365 to paste only the value when using Ctrl-V? NOTE: I don't want to use Ctrl-Shift-V - that would require changing my muscle memory. I have checked File - Options - Advanced, and none of the options change the default pasting behaviour. I've found one ****** source that says to use a macro ( that). No, don't bother. I'm using ***** Notepad instead. Just a quick warning that pasting in Excel can result in some really weird stuff. For example, if Excel decides that something looks like it may be a date, it will convert the text into a date and store it as a weird number in the cell. I ran into this problem a lot when dealing with street number ranges in addresses, for example Excel would convert the number range 1-11 (one to eleven) to 1 November. The way to avoid that kind of thing, was to specifically set a cell's format to 'text' before performing a paste operation. (It was really annoying to find that Excel had polluted thousands of addresses in an extract in this manner)
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11th August 2023, 07:23 PM	#104
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 66,989	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Dear Users, If the problem really was important you wouldn't forget about it until you saw me passing by on the way to fixing another issue for someone who actually knows how to use our ticketing system and put a trouble call in properly. In fact in general I don't find the fact that you have a problem every time I see you anywhere near as cutesy poo or charming as you seem too. "The IT guy is hot but he has no clue when people are trying to flirt with him!" "Let's break some more stuff and you can try again!"
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14th August 2023, 11:32 AM	#105
jeremyp Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha Posts: 3,459	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander technically, it IS a database. A really, REALLY simple, dumb, feature-free database. But even so... That's not true. Excel is not dumb and it's not feature free. The problem with Excel is that it is not scalable either in size or to multiple users.

14th August 2023, 11:45 AM	#106
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 15,774	Actually although not a fan, having worked where it was the only tool vaguely usable, I found it's quite powerful, especially once you fire up the IDE.
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14th August 2023, 12:09 PM	#107
malbui Beauf Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,644	I would be very reluctant to use Excel for any modelling leading to significant decisions, and over the years I’ve broken a few colleagues’ fingers for trying to do so, but on a lot of my data analysis tasks I tend to throw the initial datasets into Excel first of all just to get an ideal of look and feel. It has some useful functionality for first pass reviews.
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14th August 2023, 01:52 PM	#108
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,586	Originally Posted by arthwollipot I may have broken the spacetime continuum. One of my systems is reporting that there are -2 tasks assigned to me. I think it just means that you've already performed two tasks that you didn't know you needed to perform yet.

14th August 2023, 02:09 PM	#109
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 66,989	"I don't understand why the Apples Generator can't exactly reproduce the work you did in the Orange Productor."
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14th August 2023, 05:03 PM	#110
rdaneel Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: I'M IN THE PHONEBOOK! I'M SOMEBODY!!! Posts: 4,688	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey "I don't understand why the Apples Generator can't exactly reproduce the work you did in the Orange Productor." Have you tried the Banana Fabricator?
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14th August 2023, 05:23 PM	#111
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 66,989	Originally Posted by rdaneel Have you tried the Banana Fabricator? Actually the solution really is to farm it out to another team that uses another tool that can do part of the work of each of the others.
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14th August 2023, 05:36 PM	#112
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,717	Originally Posted by jeremyp That's not true. Excel is not dumb and it's not feature free. The problem with Excel is that it is not scalable either in size or to multiple users. I know. I use it a lot. But most users don't get beyond one simple worksheet as a set of pigeonholes for text.
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18th August 2023, 08:08 AM	#113
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 66,989	I hate Fridays now. I slack off on Fridays, which means I don't do anything. But apparently other people slack off on Fridays by continuing to do stuff, but switching off their brains. So far two different people have asked me what the difference is between the "exclusion list" and the "inclusion list". Gee, I don't know, it's a huge mystery. Better budget half a million bucks for a deep-dive exploration by committee.
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20th August 2023, 02:09 PM	#114
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 34,907	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I hate Fridays now. I slack off on Fridays, which means I don't do anything. But apparently other people slack off on Fridays by continuing to do stuff, but switching off their brains. So far two different people have asked me what the difference is between the "exclusion list" and the "inclusion list". Gee, I don't know, it's a huge mystery. Better budget half a million bucks for a deep-dive exploration by committee. POETS Day, innit, mate!
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20th August 2023, 03:10 PM	#115
Skeptical Greg Agave Wine Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past ' Resume Speed ' . Posts: 18,981	Spent an hour in a chat session with LG support. I had a month old TV and the remote stopped working after stuttering a little bit. I did all the obvious stuff: batteries, re-paired , & etc.. The clincher, was that I have another LG TV and the remote is working fine with the new TV . I provided this information more than once in the discussion that followed. I know the support person has to follow a script, so I patiently went over everything they wanted me to try.. Well, I lied, because i had already done it. They wanted me to check for debris ( crumbs ) around the keys. I explained the Power On/Off key was not working, so all the Dorito dust on the other keys did not matter.. They chuckled at this. When all was said and done they were going to send me a new remote. We spent another 10 minutes verifying my particulars. When I pointed out I was registered at LG, and they already had all this information, and it was good, otherwise I would be concerned about getting the new remote they are sending me. They conceded, and there you go. Their flow chart should consider that people will lie about going through the check-list, and they should just get it over with, and save everyone a little time and money. I realize if it was the TV itself, or another high cost item, they need to be a bit more circumspect, but the remote? Come on.. I gave them 5 stars for solving my problem.. All the bull crap I had to go through was not their fault.. I've been there.
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