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Bushfire season 2023-2024
With El Niño and a positive Indian Ocean Dipole, Australia is bracing for a hot and dry summer. With a lot of fuel load from the last three growing years, the country is a tinderbox waiting to be sparked off.
A positive Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) plus El Niño in Australia likely to cause hot and dry weather
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Couple more articles to give you the idea of what's going on:
Queensland bushfire risk heightened by increased fuel loads, emergency services prepared for busy season ahead
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I lived in the middle of it last time. A lot of the trees have still not recovered. This could be bad.
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Yeah, I wasn't directly threatened, but we did have the worst air quality on the planet (by a significant amount) for a little while there, and I think I probably have permanent lung damage just from being alive in this city during that time.
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In Victoria I believe we are pretty well prepared. After Black Saturday a lot of electrical infrastructure was been upgraded and there has been a lot of burning off happening. Also citizens are much better informed. I know I will head for the city if a Code Red day is declared (only a handful have been declared over the years) and I think a lot more people will do the same and not try to defend property on such extreme days.
The paddocks are still very green across the state. Yes I know they can dry out quickly, but before Black Saturday the state was very dry right through winter. I’m hopeful. |
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On recommendation from the Asthma Council (and the Australian Consumers Association), I've bought a indoor air purifier. They are already giving warnings that this summer could be appalling in terms of air quality.
(This made it to the TV news, hence me rushing out and buying one). It had a good test on Sunday, a neighbour made a mistake with their firepit and everyones' homes filled up with smoke. I bought this one on Choice's recommendation: https://www.thegoodguys.com.au/samsu...-ax90t7080wdsa But there are lots of smaller and cheaper models available too. |
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Yes, good idea! I'll check out the Good Guys up the road from my place this weekend. Get in before the rush.
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I have family who live in Yarra Junction (near Warburton) about 50K east of Melbourne.
I can tell you they are worried. |
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Yeah, that's in the other direction from Warburton.
My sister in law is a vet's assistant for a practice in East Melbourne, and she volunteers at the Healesville Wildlife Sanctuary. They got it bad, mostly smoke, in the 1997 Bushfires. She tells me they saw the fires coming towards them from the south-west. She reckons that they could smell smoke on the curtains and furniture for months after that. |
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Not trying to explain things you probably already know, but it may be time to invest in a quality half face respirator with some good particulate cartridges, at least for when you have to go outside.
Might get you some weird looks but you really ought not be out there raw-dogging wildfire smoke. We got a tiny taste of this in New England from the Canadian wildfire smoke, but luckily it was quite short lived. |
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Townsville residents are being told to stay indoors again today due to smoke.
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I have friends who currently live in the Adelaide Hills that have a very similar strategy.
Over summer they spend quite a bit of time in shopping centres, at the beach etc. In their case, they've had a few unfortunate experiences. Namely: 1. Automated Fire fighting pumps (AFFP) failed due to power outage. 2. AFFP failed because CFS drained their water supply (tanks and pool) (They understand why this has to be done, but it feels pretty harsh when you lose property because firefighters are protecting someone else's property.) 3. AFFP (petrol driven) failed because the fire was so bad, there wasn't enough oxygen for the pumps to run. Given all that, and their age, I can really understand them just not wanting to be around during fire season. |
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Major bushfire closes Barkly Highway as authorities declare entire NT a fire danger area until March
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Well as I said earlier, preparation for fire seasons have advanced tremendously in past years. Burning off, power line maintenance (just yesterday a helicopter was flying around our suburbs looking at power lines on bush properties) and public awareness of how to maintain their own properties and implementing fire plans have increased enormously.
Also, and speaking only of Victoria, Black Saturday was preceded by a massive drought. This year has seen saturating rains. Today it is snowing in Victoria over 600 meters. I’m cautiously optimistic, at least in very bushy and often fire prone Victoria. |
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Bushfire risk high, lack of volunteers places increasing pressure on rural fire brigades
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Yes, I've seen the temps over your way - the signs are not good.
I've got a Kiwi bloke who wants to move to Aussie and he's a volunteer firefighter, so if you have any mates wanting to hire someone you can add him to the team. Christ knows what the temperatures are going to be come Dec/Jan, but explosive springs to mind. We're on fire watch here already on the east coast, which considering they were feet deep in floods a couple of months ago tells you a lot too. |
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Schools on the NSW Far South Coast close due to extreme fire danger
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It's starting to look like we're in for a horror summer.
El Niño has been declared by the Bureau of Meteorology, and the Indian Ocean dipole is showing double the value that is usual relied on to be 'positive'. When both of these things line up (IOD affects the South and West of Australia, and EN affects the East Coast) we tend to have a really hot summer. ![]() |
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First aircraft downed...
In S/E Qld
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That's what many fear- there's already been a large number of fires local to me (S/E Qld), including one that had ten QLD RBFS units attend, plus one that had a town evacuated last Sunday...
https://www.abc.net.au/emergency/war...480404ba9af7be And its only September... (the bushfires don't tend to really start cranking until the end of summer, when everything has dried up from the heat...) ![]() |
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I agree with the sadly common statement.
We've just had an ex CFS volunteer found guilty for lighting bushfires. And... back when I was a teenager volunteering for CREST and ARES (civilian emergency service radio volunteers) we had a brief period where our mobile personnel were recording vehicle registration numbers at bush fires and grass fires. There was a suspicion, that was later proven, that one of the CFS guys was lighting fires so that he could be the first to report the fire, or always one of the first to attend. Police had their suspicions and asked us to take note of who arrived and when, especially if we had mobiles nearby when fires were reported. Eventually they had a very short list of suspects, and started to surreptitiously follow those suspects with unmarked vehicles. (Police officers, not my guys) Caught the guy in the act, petrol can and lighter at the scene as the fire was lit. There is an ongoing police operation, that restarts every year, to keep close tabs on known arsonists in South Australia, to keep them from lighting fires. In a sane world, they'd be in gaol, but somebody once said: "No" to them as a child, so nothing they do is their fault. ![]() |
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Sadly it looks like wolli’s fears might come to pass:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-...rica/102922014
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I'm seeing both fire and flood warnings for the southeast right now.
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Can someone give this man the million dollars?
NSW fires: premier warns of ‘horror summer’ as three homes destroyed in Bega Valley bushfire
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