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Stacyhs · 17th September 2023, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Wow, I found an abortion clinic in New York that talks about abortions even in the 9th month.

https://eastsidegynecology.com/blog/...-get-abortion/

You're being disingenuous. The site discusses the different types of abortion including two that are used for full-term pregnancies. Full-term abortions may be used when the fetus dies in utero. if the baby is alive, no doctor is going to perform a full-term abortion, they'll perform a C-section or induce labor. Women do NOT go full term and then just decide they don't want the baby and have an abortion.

Norman Alexander · 17th September 2023, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Wow, I found an abortion clinic in New York that talks about abortions even in the 9th month.

https://eastsidegynecology.com/blog/...-get-abortion/

Why "wow"? You sound surprised. Did you read what they said about that situation? That it is exceptionally rare and only needed for extremely serious medical situations? Or did your brain stop at the "9 months" bit and then turn all red and MAGA-ish.

Hercules56 · 17th September 2023, 02:20 PM

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-ch...-of-pregnancy/

Abortions in the 9th month are apparently not the fantasy that some make it out to be. Obviously very rare, but still possible and some docs will do it and some states allow it.

Hercules56 · 17th September 2023, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Why "wow"? You sound surprised. Did you read what they said about that situation? That it is exceptionally rare and only needed for extremely serious medical situations? Or did your brain stop at the "9 months" bit and then turn all red and MAGA-ish.

Like I said, its extremely rare but certainly not impossible and definitely not illegal in a few states.

Abortion in the 9th month to protect the mental health of a mother is legal in a few states.

This is a fact.

Hercules56 · 17th September 2023, 02:25 PM

While part of me agrees with the decision to overturn roe v Wade and allow each state to decide for themselves, I hope the abortion issue does galvanize enough women to help Trump lose the election. I don't want Trump having the power to pass a new law making abortion illegal after 2 months.

Norman Alexander · 17th September 2023, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-ch...-of-pregnancy/

Abortions in the 9th month are apparently not the fantasy that some make it out to be. Obviously very rare, but still possible and some docs will do it and some states allow it.

Who made it out to be a fantasy? The only "fantasy" is the raging GOP narrative that it is the vast majority of abortions when it is actually exceedingly rare. It comes from the same warped minds who spouted the sick-but-hilarious Trumpian nonsense of "abortion after birth".

gnome · 17th September 2023, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-ch...-of-pregnancy/

Abortions in the 9th month are apparently not the fantasy that some make it out to be. Obviously very rare, but still possible and some docs will do it and some states allow it.

And would these very rare examples be for reasons anyone with half a brain would want to restrict?

Skeptic Ginger · 17th September 2023, 04:38 PM

Republican talking point Trump repeats:

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Wow, I found an abortion clinic in New York that talks about abortions even in the 9th month.

https://eastsidegynecology.com/blog/...-get-abortion/

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

You're being disingenuous. The site discusses the different types of abortion including two that are used for full-term pregnancies. Full-term abortions may be used when the fetus dies in utero. if the baby is alive, no doctor is going to perform a full-term abortion, they'll perform a C-section or induce labor. Women do NOT go full term and then just decide they don't want the baby and have an abortion.

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Why "wow"? You sound surprised. Did you read what they said about that situation? That it is exceptionally rare and only needed for extremely serious medical situations? Or did your brain stop at the "9 months" bit and then turn all red and MAGA-ish.

Originally Posted by Hercules56

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-ch...-of-pregnancy/

Abortions in the 9th month are apparently not the fantasy that some make it out to be. Obviously very rare, but still possible and some docs will do it and some states allow it.

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Like I said, its extremely rare but certainly not impossible and definitely not illegal in a few states.

Abortion in the 9th month to protect the mental health of a mother is legal in a few states.

This is a fact.

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Who made it out to be a fantasy? The only "fantasy" is the raging GOP narrative that it is the vast majority of abortions when it is actually exceedingly rare. It comes from the same warped minds who spouted the sick-but-hilarious Trumpian nonsense of "abortion after birth".

The morons repeating this nonsense that babies are murdered in the 9th month because the law says it is legal are being willfully blind to the facts.

The way some people here are describing it is disingenuous, deceitful, purposefully distorted and using a cherry picked argument that it is allowed without considering how and when it is allowed.

The left repeating "it's rare" feeds the sound-bite liars. I know you all hate it when I say it but stop with the narrative "it's rare". That bit is cherry picked out of your comments no matter how carefully you describe/explain why or how it is ever done.

Sometimes a pregnancy needs to be terminated when there is a viable fetus after ~7 months when the pregnancy threatens the mother and/or the fetus (examples placenta abruption, preeclampsia with uncontrollable hypertensive crisis, severe trauma requiring terminating the pregnancy, ruptured membranes, etc).

When that happens every effort is made to keep the fetus>now an infant alive. Fetuses are not killed and aborted. Rather, emergency C-sections are performed. Sometimes a fetus in the third month is delivered because of premature labor; in that case a vaginal delivery is unavoidable.

The cutoff for successful birth of a premie keeps getting smaller. When the right intensive care options are available babies born that were just under 9 ounces have survived.

'World's smallest' surviving premature baby released from US hospital

Quote:

A baby born weighing just 245g (8.6oz), believed to be the tiniest on record to survive premature birth, has been discharged from hospital in the US.

(Some argue the millions spent on these preemies could save a lot more children, but I digress.)

No doctor or nurse midwife would kill a viable outside the womb fetus in order to perform an abortion. No hospital or birth center would allow it. The only reason a law might not be specific about when an abortion is no longer allowed is because that would again be legislators practicing medicine without a license. Legislators know full well viable infants are not killed. Even if a mother didn't want the child it would not be delivered early for that reason. Rather the pregnancy would continue and after birth the baby put up for adoption. THAT'S COMMON SENSE UNLESS YOU ARE AN ALT-RIGHT IDIOT WHO SUCCUMBED TO THE MYTH VIABLE BABIES ARE MURDERED, or unless you are that politician like Trump repeating the myth for political purposes.

Trebuchet · 17th September 2023, 04:59 PM

Very appropriate use of highlighting above.

Stacyhs · 17th September 2023, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Like I said, its extremely rare but certainly not impossible and definitely not illegal in a few states.

Abortion in the 9th month to protect the mental health of a mother is legal in a few states.

This is a fact.

No, it is not a fact nor is it legal. No doctor*is going to kill a perfectly viable, full term baby. If the mother's mental health is that bad, a doctor would induce labor or perform a C-section delivering a live baby.

Stacyhs · 17th September 2023, 05:08 PM

Anyone who would still vote for Trump in 2024 is just stupid enough to believe this lie that Trump keeps repeating. He knows his audience: dumb as a box of rocks.

Norman Alexander · 17th September 2023, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Anyone who would still vote for Trump in 2024 is just stupid enough to believe this lie that Trump keeps repeating. He His handlers and wranglers knows his audience: dumb as a box of rocks.

They just coach him what to say. Trump is also dumb as a box of rocks. So it's a whole field of boxes of rocks talking at each other.

Stacyhs · 17th September 2023, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

They just coach him what to say. Trump is also dumb as a box of rocks. So it's a whole field of boxes of rocks talking at each other.

I don't think Trump listens to anything anybody tells him, or he'd just keep his mouth shut. After all, as the consummate narcissist, he knows better about everything than anyone else so why listen to them?

Norman Alexander · 17th September 2023, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I don't think Trump listens to anything anybody tells him, or he'd just keep his mouth shut. After all, as the consummate narcissist, he knows better about everything than anyone else so why listen to them?

Although I'm sure I can hear the screams in the background from his coaches whenever he is being interviewed: "DON'T SAY THAT! DON'T BRING THAT UP! OH GAWD! NO! NO! NO! Oh you MORON!"

gnome · 17th September 2023, 07:37 PM

Followed by: "Huh. None of his supporters cared. Go on, I guess?" *throws up hands*

Stacyhs · 17th September 2023, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Although I'm sure I can hear the screams in the background from his coaches whenever he is being interviewed: "DON'T SAY THAT! DON'T BRING THAT UP! OH GAWD! NO! NO! NO! Oh you MORON!"

Those would be his lawyers, not coaches.

Donal · 18th September 2023, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Like I said, its extremely rare but certainly not impossible and definitely not illegal in a few states.

Yes, in medical emergency. Why are you against that? Who has claimed otherwise?

Quote:

Abortion in the 9th month to protect the mental health of a mother is legal in a few states.

This is a fact.

Well, then it should be easy for you to support that with some evidence.

17th September 2023, 01:54 PM	#202
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,717	Originally Posted by Hercules56 Wow, I found an abortion clinic in New York that talks about abortions even in the 9th month. https://eastsidegynecology.com/blog/...-get-abortion/ Why "wow"? You sound surprised. Did you read what they said about that situation? That it is exceptionally rare and only needed for extremely serious medical situations? Or did your brain stop at the "9 months" bit and then turn all red and MAGA-ish.
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17th September 2023, 02:20 PM	#203
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 6,262	https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-ch...-of-pregnancy/ Abortions in the 9th month are apparently not the fantasy that some make it out to be. Obviously very rare, but still possible and some docs will do it and some states allow it.
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17th September 2023, 02:22 PM	#204
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 6,262	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Why "wow"? You sound surprised. Did you read what they said about that situation? That it is exceptionally rare and only needed for extremely serious medical situations? Or did your brain stop at the "9 months" bit and then turn all red and MAGA-ish. Like I said, its extremely rare but certainly not impossible and definitely not illegal in a few states. Abortion in the 9th month to protect the mental health of a mother is legal in a few states. This is a fact.
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17th September 2023, 02:25 PM	#205
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 6,262	While part of me agrees with the decision to overturn roe v Wade and allow each state to decide for themselves, I hope the abortion issue does galvanize enough women to help Trump lose the election. I don't want Trump having the power to pass a new law making abortion illegal after 2 months.
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17th September 2023, 02:26 PM	#206
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,717	Originally Posted by Hercules56 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-ch...-of-pregnancy/ Abortions in the 9th month are apparently not the fantasy that some make it out to be. Obviously very rare, but still possible and some docs will do it and some states allow it. Who made it out to be a fantasy? The only "fantasy" is the raging GOP narrative that it is the vast majority of abortions when it is actually exceedingly rare. It comes from the same warped minds who spouted the sick-but-hilarious Trumpian nonsense of "abortion after birth".
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

17th September 2023, 01:47 PM	#201
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 31,633	Originally Posted by Hercules56 Wow, I found an abortion clinic in New York that talks about abortions even in the 9th month. https://eastsidegynecology.com/blog/...-get-abortion/ You're being disingenuous. The site discusses the different types of abortion including two that are used for full-term pregnancies. Full-term abortions may be used when the fetus dies in utero. if the baby is alive, no doctor is going to perform a full-term abortion, they'll perform a C-section or induce labor. Women do NOT go full term and then just decide they don't want the baby and have an abortion.

17th September 2023, 02:26 PM	#207
gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,251	Originally Posted by Hercules56 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-ch...-of-pregnancy/ Abortions in the 9th month are apparently not the fantasy that some make it out to be. Obviously very rare, but still possible and some docs will do it and some states allow it. And would these very rare examples be for reasons anyone with half a brain would want to restrict?
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17th September 2023, 04:38 PM	#208
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 95,062	Republican talking point Trump repeats: Originally Posted by Hercules56 Wow, I found an abortion clinic in New York that talks about abortions even in the 9th month. https://eastsidegynecology.com/blog/...-get-abortion/ Originally Posted by Stacyhs You're being disingenuous. The site discusses the different types of abortion including two that are used for full-term pregnancies. Full-term abortions may be used when the fetus dies in utero. if the baby is alive, no doctor is going to perform a full-term abortion, they'll perform a C-section or induce labor. Women do NOT go full term and then just decide they don't want the baby and have an abortion. Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Why "wow"? You sound surprised. Did you read what they said about that situation? That it is exceptionally rare and only needed for extremely serious medical situations? Or did your brain stop at the "9 months" bit and then turn all red and MAGA-ish. Originally Posted by Hercules56 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fact-ch...-of-pregnancy/ Abortions in the 9th month are apparently not the fantasy that some make it out to be. Obviously very rare, but still possible and some docs will do it and some states allow it. Originally Posted by Hercules56 Like I said, its extremely rare but certainly not impossible and definitely not illegal in a few states. Abortion in the 9th month to protect the mental health of a mother is legal in a few states. This is a fact. Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Who made it out to be a fantasy? The only "fantasy" is the raging GOP narrative that it is the vast majority of abortions when it is actually exceedingly rare. It comes from the same warped minds who spouted the sick-but-hilarious Trumpian nonsense of "abortion after birth". The morons repeating this nonsense that babies are murdered in the 9th month because the law says it is legal are being willfully blind to the facts. The way some people here are describing it is disingenuous, deceitful, purposefully distorted and using a cherry picked argument that it is allowed without considering how and when it is allowed. The left repeating "it's rare" feeds the sound-bite liars. I know you all hate it when I say it but stop with the narrative "it's rare". That bit is cherry picked out of your comments no matter how carefully you describe/explain why or how it is ever done. Sometimes a pregnancy needs to be terminated when there is a viable fetus after ~7 months when the pregnancy threatens the mother and/or the fetus (examples placenta abruption, preeclampsia with uncontrollable hypertensive crisis, severe trauma requiring terminating the pregnancy, ruptured membranes, etc). When that happens every effort is made to keep the fetus>now an infant alive. Fetuses are not killed and aborted. Rather, emergency C-sections are performed. Sometimes a fetus in the third month is delivered because of premature labor; in that case a vaginal delivery is unavoidable. The cutoff for successful birth of a premie keeps getting smaller. When the right intensive care options are available babies born that were just under 9 ounces have survived. 'World's smallest' surviving premature baby released from US hospital Quote: A baby born weighing just 245g (8.6oz), believed to be the tiniest on record to survive premature birth, has been discharged from hospital in the US. (Some argue the millions spent on these preemies could save a lot more children, but I digress.) No doctor or nurse midwife would kill a viable outside the womb fetus in order to perform an abortion. No hospital or birth center would allow it. The only reason a law might not be specific about when an abortion is no longer allowed is because that would again be legislators practicing medicine without a license. Legislators know full well viable infants are not killed. Even if a mother didn't want the child it would not be delivered early for that reason. Rather the pregnancy would continue and after birth the baby put up for adoption. THAT'S COMMON SENSE UNLESS YOU ARE AN ALT-RIGHT IDIOT WHO SUCCUMBED TO THE MYTH VIABLE BABIES ARE MURDERED, or unless you are that politician like Trump repeating the myth for political purposes.
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17th September 2023, 04:59 PM	#209
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 37,642	Very appropriate use of highlighting above.
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17th September 2023, 05:04 PM	#210
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 31,633	Originally Posted by Hercules56 Like I said, its extremely rare but certainly not impossible and definitely not illegal in a few states. Abortion in the 9th month to protect the mental health of a mother is legal in a few states. This is a fact. No, it is not a fact nor is it legal. No doctor*is going to kill a perfectly viable, full term baby. If the mother's mental health is that bad, a doctor would induce labor or perform a C-section delivering a live baby.

17th September 2023, 05:08 PM	#211
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 31,633	Anyone who would still vote for Trump in 2024 is just stupid enough to believe this lie that Trump keeps repeating. He knows his audience: dumb as a box of rocks.

17th September 2023, 06:24 PM	#212
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,717	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Anyone who would still vote for Trump in 2024 is just stupid enough to believe this lie that Trump keeps repeating. He His handlers and wranglers knows his audience: dumb as a box of rocks. They just coach him what to say. Trump is also dumb as a box of rocks. So it's a whole field of boxes of rocks talking at each other.
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17th September 2023, 06:27 PM	#213
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 31,633	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander They just coach him what to say. Trump is also dumb as a box of rocks. So it's a whole field of boxes of rocks talking at each other. I don't think Trump listens to anything anybody tells him, or he'd just keep his mouth shut. After all, as the consummate narcissist, he knows better about everything than anyone else so why listen to them?

17th September 2023, 06:52 PM	#214
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 15,717	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I don't think Trump listens to anything anybody tells him, or he'd just keep his mouth shut. After all, as the consummate narcissist, he knows better about everything than anyone else so why listen to them? Although I'm sure I can hear the screams in the background from his coaches whenever he is being interviewed: "DON'T SAY THAT! DON'T BRING THAT UP! OH GAWD! NO! NO! NO! Oh you MORON!"
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

17th September 2023, 07:37 PM	#215
gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,251	Followed by: "Huh. None of his supporters cared. Go on, I guess?" throws up hands
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17th September 2023, 11:35 PM	#216
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 31,633	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Although I'm sure I can hear the screams in the background from his coaches whenever he is being interviewed: "DON'T SAY THAT! DON'T BRING THAT UP! OH GAWD! NO! NO! NO! Oh you MORON!" Those would be his lawyers, not coaches.

18th September 2023, 07:36 AM	#217
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,839	Originally Posted by Hercules56 Like I said, its extremely rare but certainly not impossible and definitely not illegal in a few states. Yes, in medical emergency. Why are you against that? Who has claimed otherwise? Quote: Abortion in the 9th month to protect the mental health of a mother is legal in a few states. This is a fact. Well, then it should be easy for you to support that with some evidence.
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