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Old Yesterday, 05:05 PM   #321
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
The only reform that should lead to is wider deployment of naloxone to law enforcement to treat opioid overdose. Floyd couldn't breathe because he had overdosed on Fentanyl, and he was saying that before the cops even touched him. The cops didn't kill Floyd, he killed himself. I assume by accident, but it was still his own drug use which killed him.
Can't tell if serious...
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Old Yesterday, 05:20 PM   #322
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Originally Posted by Emily's Cat View Post
Can't tell if serious...
Have you seen the recently released body can footage of how the encounter started? Have you read about the toxicology results?

Floyd died of an overdose. A massive overdose.
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Did you know that you can die from having your throat cut while you're having a heart attack?

Edit: Doesn't make the throat-slitter any less of a murderer.
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Old Yesterday, 07:03 PM   #324
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Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey View Post
Did you know that you can die from having your throat cut while you're having a heart attack?

Edit: Doesn't make the throat-slitter any less of a murderer.
You can, but that isn’t what happened. His trouble breathing started before he was restrained. The restraint didn’t impair his breathing any further. How do we know? Because he was still able to speak. If you can speak, your airway isn’t obstructed. His breathing troubles weren’t because of the restraint, but because of the drugs.

The full body cam video should have been released at the start of all this. That it wasn’t is damning to whoever made the decision not to. That decision is responsible for a lot of chaos and likely more than a few deaths.
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You are completely, utterly full of crap. Please post this “fentanyl overdose” evidence and prove me wrong. Preferably in the right thread. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Because he was still able to speak. If you can speak, your airway isn’t obstructed.
That's only true if there's an object lodged in your airway. If someone's (or something) pressing on you, speaking indicates that you can breathe out. Like a constrictor snake, prey can't hold its breath forever and if you ensure that your victim can't breathe back in, you've already killed them. You need only wait for them to stop moving.
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Old Yesterday, 08:38 PM   #327
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Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey View Post
That's only true if there's an object lodged in your airway. If someone's (or something) pressing on you, speaking indicates that you can breathe out. Like a constrictor snake, prey can't hold its breath forever and if you ensure that your victim can't breathe back in, you've already killed them. You need only wait for them to stop moving.
That might be true of chest compression. But the cop wasn’t pressing on his chest, but his neck.

And btw, constrictor snakes don’t kill by stopping their prey from breathing. They do it by stopping blood flow to vital organs, leading to cardiac arrest. That didn’t happen to Floyd either. If blood flow to the brain had been shut off, he would have passed out almost immediately.
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
You are completely, utterly full of crap. Please post this “fentanyl overdose” evidence and prove me wrong. Preferably in the right thread. Thank you.
Well, you might not like the source, but here's one column that explains:

https://pjmedia.com/columns/jack-dun...uittal-n758389

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The autopsy also notes Floyd’s hypertensive condition and “severe” arteriosclerotic heart disease, and the presence of both fentanyl and methamphetamine in his blood. Either of these drugs can cause arrhythmias even in an otherwise healthy person, and when this case is heard in court the defense will surely produce medical experts who will testify that Floyd’s heart conditions, drug use, and resistance to being placed in the police car combined to put the fatal strain on his heart.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Well, you might not like the source, but here's one column that explains:

https://pjmedia.com/columns/jack-dun...uittal-n758389
That article is not evidence that Floyd died from a fentanyl overdose.

We know how Floyd died. His neck was stepped on for a prolonged period, until he died. That is what the autopsy actually shows. Any attempt to say otherwise simply shows us who the racists are.
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