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29th January 2015, 07:49 AM | #321 |
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We're in a case similar to providing a citation from a book or article or paper. It's not the citer's responsibility to provide quotes; it's the sceptic person's responsibility to purchase the book/article/paper if interested in verifying it.
We had that for example with a citation of a paper on the conductivity paints in the Active Thermitic Material paper. No one cared enough to check, but no one did in principle reject the claims. My thoughts were that the burden of proof on the paper authors was met (the flaws were elsewhere, not in their method for providing the evidence). Then someone (Ivan?) came up with a table that we all could see, but the ATM authors were certainly not in an obligation to reproduce the table. |
29th January 2015, 08:24 AM | #322 |
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I see. And what is that, in your view?
Originally Posted by carlitos
I hadn't noticed the stars, sorry. I was wrong - that image is heavily anti-Semitic and it doesn't matter about English comprehension. Re-posting that image as anything other than a condemnation of its creator is anti-Semitic. If that's what she did then in that context the other ones are very likely to be motivated by the same 'thinking' rather than any other interpretation. I retract my statement that the case is not made out properly - I think Grumme is an anti-Semite based on this evidence. |
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29th January 2015, 10:46 AM | #324 |
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I'd like to interject here.
The thread topic is Harrit's defamation suit. I brought up Grumme because a) she is Harrit's wife and b) the suit involves a comparison of Harrit's 9/11 quest with holocaust denialism - a severe form of antisemitism. Now a more generalized discussion of antisemitism and 9/11 CTs will probably be off-topic - and it will require great care not to lump together things that are separate, and distinguish causes, effects and correlations. I don't think many arguments made by truthers can be sensibly discussed in the context of an antisemitic worldview: Firstly, because not all who propose such arguments are antisemites (perhaps not even a majority), and secondly because the truth value of a technical claim does not change if the proponent changes his stance on Jewry. All quite obvious. |
29th January 2015, 03:51 PM | #325 |
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Have you figured out 911 truth is nonsense, fraud, and failed claims pushed by crackpots like Harrit.
All claims by 911 truth are nonsense. With Harrit's thermite fake conclusion paper as evidence, as is all of Gage's failed "experts" you transcribed exposing their ignorance and BS. Harrit meets the definition of crackpot on 911 issues, as he spews unfounded BS.
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29th January 2015, 04:30 PM | #326 |
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It will make me question Niels Harrit's motivation a lot more than I did. It seems likely that he is influenced by Gromme. As far as the technical questions of the 911 controlled demolition claims go it does not affect my view of them at all. I'm still not sure about all the claims which is why I still read this forum every day.
I'm not sure where you got the idea I was a 911 Truth supporter, unless being on the fence about the controlled demolition claims (which I still am and which is all I'm really interested in) makes me a 911 Truth supporter. In hindsight I shouldn't have replied to this thread as I am not informed enough about politics - I could only name 7 people out of the 13 in that picture. |
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If being "on the fence" about an insane theory is the way you want to go through life, then good luck. Are you "on the fence" about a flat earth or faeries in your garden? Those theories are equally ridiculous as "controlled demolition claims" about 9/11.
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29th January 2015, 05:15 PM | #328 |
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Being unable to see Harrit made up the lies about controlled demotion, calling it being on the fence, means you are a 911 truth supporter. There is no fence when it comes to lies from 911 truth.
Thinking controlled demolition has some chance of being real, is not being on the fence, it is knee deep in the 911 truth BS camp of woo. It is failure to see 911 truth made it up based on nothing but opinions. You transcribed BS from 911 truth, not realizing it requires no debunking. You can't pick out details you think have merit. You treat Gage and his band of failed "nuts" (aka Gage's experts) as if they had something of value - they don't. 911 truth has no evidence for controlled demolition, or explain how it fits with the 19 terrorists who did 911. There is no fence when it comes to events, there is what happened, we can't vote on it, we can't use opinions from Gage's old failed humans who mock those murdered on 911 with BS flowing freely. |
30th January 2015, 12:21 AM | #329 |
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30th January 2015, 05:20 AM | #330 |
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15 minutes of infamy... how pathetic
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30th January 2015, 07:39 AM | #332 |
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Georgio,
Did I already invite you to invest 3+ hours of your time to watch all my YouTube videos? I still think it's a very good introduction for nontechnical types like me and you, respectfully and patiently presented (see small print below for links). |
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30th January 2015, 07:47 AM | #333 |
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Perhaps someone could clarify this for me.
The way I see it, Harrit wants to go to court in order to present what he calls evidence which shows 911 was an inside job. Once the judge has been shown the evidence he/she is bound by the law to have knowledge of a crime which should be reported. Is this his intention ? |
30th January 2015, 08:12 AM | #334 |
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Thanks, Chris. No, I don't think you did specifically invite me to watch the videos - I think maybe you are confusing me with 'Jango'.
I have watched your videos and have actually transcribed a fair few of them (the first 6 or 7 I think) but I got sidetracked and never went back to it. I would love it if more people (on both sides) took your attitude that it is better to calmly and respectfully go through things point by point and to try not to get angry, although I'm aware that a great many people already do that. |
30th January 2015, 09:40 AM | #335 |
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Sadly the tone of these discussions is not very dignified. That's unfortunate.
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30th January 2015, 10:39 AM | #336 |
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At this late date there is not much to say that has not been said, and said, and said. That breeds frustration which in turn results in people posting angry rather than in dignified reiteration of the same points again.
In what is it, another month or so, Harrit will get his day in court and then there may be something new(er) to discuss. Perhaps in the next year AE911T will file suit, or produce an interim report on their progress towards a technical modeling. Most of us here will not risk holding our breath though for that to come about, though I daresay many wish to be proven wrong in their assessment that AE911T's promises are more for PR and money raising rather than serious endeavors. |
30th January 2015, 12:03 PM | #337 |
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It is sad 911 truth fools people into doubt and joining up. Maybe those who fell for the BS could help the fence sitters figure out why they were fooled by the dignified lies of Gage and 911 truth. What is unfortunate, is people mistaking unsupported opinions for facts and evidence, and being on the fence due to belief in BS.
It is clear Gage and Harrit are frauds; sad to see people fooled by liars like Harrit. ... if they are not liars, they are delusional fools. |
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30th January 2015, 02:57 PM | #339 |
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I think people fall for this BS because they give the presumption to "professional" and academics that they are straight shooters and not selling snake oil. Their arguments may sound convincing to uninformed and so they buy the sell and really don't have the wherewithal to verify if what they bought is a crock of ***** or not. I suspect there are very few technically adept people who fall for the pitch. But there are some and they are either willfully ignorant, not truly qualified or simply looking for attention... or in the case of Gage cash. People who are intellectually honest and examine the claims can see that the truth sell is not credible... and they move on. True believers just join the congregation and continue to tithe.
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27th February 2015, 05:37 AM | #340 |
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Truth movement gearing up for Harrits appeal case in two weeks.
http://www.ae911truth.org/news/201-n...ibel-suit.html |
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27th February 2015, 06:49 AM | #342 |
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Foolish frauds is more Likely, they have convinced themselves that they are right and their egos will not allow them to admit they are wrong.
They may have found by chance one energetic aluminum fueled chip I doubt it but it is possible just like the microspheres were friction wear particles, an energetic chip could have been created similarly, if Jones an Harriet actually tested and found an energetic chip, that was thermitic and ignited it prior to the paper then they could have been fooled into believing more chips were thermitic. Leading to an embarrassing paper of foolishness. If he presents evidence in court on structure of the ,Chips bet you it will be cutting dust residue And that is why he wants to present his case he doesn't understand what he found. A truther called you friendly when he found out I had participated in the mico spheres Debate gave me a copy of what he claims was a personal email exchange between himself and Harrit, it was a description of cutting disk residue from Silicon Carbide aluminum oxide cutting disks with expoxy binder with paint. |
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Oh no, he is going all in and doing a complete "Scientific" presentation, that is going to prove with out a doubt that 9/11 was an inside job.
The problem is that Harrit do not understand that it is him being called a crackpot thats on trail, not evidens for or against 9/11 being an inside job, so by starting a "Scientific" presentation of any sort would probably label him as a crackpot by most judges. Harrit is using the Court room as a stage. |
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The judges are not going to even listen to any of this. The only thing they will hear is evidence being called a "crackpot" hurt his reputation. To win this, he has to show his reputation was hurt by this comment and this comment alone.
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27th February 2015, 01:53 PM | #347 |
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We had something very similar here, with a trial about the harm to the reputation of a guy called Pedro Amorós caused by an article written by a reporter, related to the "faces of Bélmez". The trial focused on the authenticity of the faces, rather than on the harm to Amorós' reputation.
He lost, of course. The trial was a joke. |
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AE911T are fundraising to "pay Harrit's legal fees" / "show WTC7 video in court" depending on which spin they put on it.
From the first link: "Dr. Harrit will also call two witnesses. One, Jan Utzon, is a world-renowned architect and AE911Truth petition signer who testified previously. The other, Dr. Per Hedegård, is a physics professor from the University of Copenhagan’s Niels Bohr Institute. His statement to a newspaper in 2010 dismissing Dr. Harrit was the only evidence used by Villemoes at trial. Today, Dr. Hedegård has completely reversed his position and insists on testifying in support of Dr. Harrit!" Anyone know anything about this Dr Hedegård? |
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His listing at the Niels Bohr Institute of Copenhagen University:
http://www.nbi.ku.dk/ansatte/?pure=da/persons/135905 I had contacted Danish debunker Claus Larsen late in december and asked if he and his partner would work Hedegård, but it seems they didn't. Perhaps I'll take it upon myself to contact him... |
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Chatting with Claus now.
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What relevance does Jan Utzon's testimony have in this trial? He's not an expert in chemistry and probably not in structural engineering which has nothing to do with Harrit's work.
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Maybe the Onion should get sued too, with their disrespectful "One Tower" Theory:
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6th March 2015, 12:31 AM | #355 |
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From the first link, a newsletter dated February 26, 2015:
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Half a league half a league,
Half a league onward, All in the valley of Death Rode Neils Harrit: 'Forward, the Light Brigade! Charge for the guns' he said: Into the valley of Death Rode Neils Harrit. |
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It's no surprise that Harrit will be touting out all these irrelevant circus acts (the 7WTC video, Jan Utzon, Dr. Hedegård), given that he still haven't obtained legal representation.
The court list shows a 9.30 am start and it appears it's the only case heard on the day in the 6th chamber. |
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It will be interesting to see whether Danish courts have the same notions of relevancy as American courts.
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