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23rd August 2013, 05:57 PM | #161 |
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Thanks for all that, KDLarsen.
"How about putting a display of creationist fraud in one of Denmark's finest educational institutions? Why not just invite Niels Harrit and the other fools from the 9/11 sceptics' environment while we're at it? How about the Holocaust denial movement?" It's a bit of a leap to say they're directly calling Harrit an idiot or a Holocaust denier, but I am not a lawyer, and who knows what the parties will argue. |
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24th August 2013, 01:13 AM | #163 |
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It's so funny he thinks this is some kind of landmark case.
Anyone is entitled to call someones theory crazy or idiotic - it just signifies a personal opinion of something/someone. Harrit keeps claiming that "tosse" refers to being mentally ill, which may have been the case many years ago, but certainly isn't now. He also keeps forgetting that his 9/11-work is not a part of his field or academic "legacy", so calling his truther-activities crazy is not putting down his academic career. |
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I am a little confused, maybe I missed this. Has this information already been presented to the court, or did he release this early?
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I think the Galileo bit is his party piece. The following clip is from earlier this year when he was unable to present his evidence in court. Looks to me like the same crap different court room.
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It rather epitomises the standard of Truther "science" and "research" in general and Harrit's in specific:
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Quelle surprise, Harrit lost.
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http://www.journalisten.dk/comment/21220
Translated: Soren Villemoes acquitted of calling Niels Harrit for 'idiot' Soren Villemoes, in a comment in the Weekend newspaper has described the scientist Niels Harrit as a 'freak', has today been acquitted by the Copenhagen City Court in a libel case brought by the retired lecturer The best part:
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Does this mean Harrit is now officially an idiot?
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This article says that amount is for costs. http://jyllands-posten.dk/kultur/ECE...iker-en-tosse/ "Det bliver dog i stedet Harrit selv, som skal betale 15.000 kr. for sagens omkostninger." Which Google translates as: "However, it is rather Harrit themselves who have to pay 15,000 for the costs." |
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The fun answer is "Yes - it certainly looks like it."
The strict legal position is not clear to me at this time. We don't know if the issue of defining "idiocy" ("tosse" or similar IIRC.) was considered by the court. The variations on the theme are too many to speculate - so one example will have to suffice until we see the transcript. (If ever. ) The argument could be that: 1) "idiots" was shown to be accepted by the relevant community as applying to 9/11 Conspiracy adherents; AND 2) that Harrit had by his own action aligned with those conspiracy adherents who are regarded as "idiots" by the relevant community; AND 3) that any damage to his reputation was caused by his own alignment with those who are known to be regarded as "idiots". If those were the steps then the courts consideration of the facts would stop at that point. Harrit loses on basis of 1, 2 and 3. Particularly "3". So the question of whether Harrit qualifies as an "idiot" would not even be looked at by the court. The issue remains moot. In that event what could be said to be legally accepted was that he aligned with a class of persons who are commonly regarded as idiots. That does not make him an idiot nor does it imply that the court ruled that he was an idiot. (BTW nor does the court rule whether the conspiracy adherents are in fact idiots.) There are multiple legal possibilities and speculation before we see the transcript could be way off the track. (And every use of "idiot" or "idiocy" in this statement needs to be read as reference to the actual Danish word - "tosse" and derivatives as far as I amaware.) |
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Yes, thanks, ozeco.
The court may have just decided that Harrit failed to prove any harm was done by being called an "idiot". |
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My guess would be, Harrits thermite BS would only be relevant in a court case against the US goverment for the destruction of wtc. Of course in the real world no such thing exists. This would confirm Harrit is a nut job.
Two court cases for Harrit this year TV licience evasion and Defamation = thermite = NUTTER |
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Could be. Two obvious problems from a legal perspective:
1) The threshold issues of how action is initiated against the US Government PLUS what standing would Harrit have in such a proceeding; THEN (If somehow it does get to be heard) 2) The same procedural problem we saw in Orphia and my recent posts. The court may not reach the stage of considering "thermXte" let alone "thermXte in dust". The reason it may not get that far is that the "arse about logic" we tolerate here from truthers would not be accepted in a court. So the first step would be to prove CD THEN possibly the part played by thermXte could come into consideration. The truthers standard debating ploy of false logic would not survive in court. ThermXte doesn't prove CD; free fall doesn't prove CD, loud banging noises don't prove CD etc down the list of truther single issues put as claims without context. Absolutely independent of whether or not those allegations are true. In a court the sequence would be (1) set context FIRST then (2) add in details. Without a legitimising context the details are irrelevant. And would be objected to as irrelevant by the opposing side. We are so accustomed to letting truthers get away with procedural nonsense that we forget that "truther logic" is: A) Backwards; B) Bereft of any coherent hypothesis; AND C) Relies on the triple failures of (i) reversed burden of proof to (ii) prove a negative which is (iii) a moving goalpost. All three not merely fatal in court - they would not be tolerated - esp the "reversed burden". Any lawyer trying that trick would get short shrift from the Bench. |
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I am going to call him the idiot Harrit at SLC from now on!
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According to one article, the judge reasoned that..
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Thanks KDLarsen.
Us lawyer types who trained in Common Law jurisdictions will continue to be interested in the nuances of Danish law as revealed by this example. I would wager that the phrase "After an overall assessment" subsumes a number of factors in some form of metric. Time may tell. |
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Go figure, Harrit has appealed the decision to the High court. Apparenly he desperately want to pay more than $3000 in court costs...
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Maybe someone is paying his legal fees (if he goes pro se) and feels the publicity is good no matter what the decision is because:
It brings people to look at his belief about 9/11 (where presumably they could be swayed by truther PR) That's a lot less than running adds and producing new DVDs... All publicity is considered valuable when you are into "attention" and these guys are a bit of attention whores. |
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How about Duck Soup?
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Has the written judgement from the case made it online yet?
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Found it on a truther website and uploaded it to Scribd.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/173727075/...-Weekendavisen |
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