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18th June 2017, 09:50 AM | #1 |
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Poll Shows Cultural Divide Between Rural And Urban
America’s cultural divide runs deep. While rural and urban Americans share some economic challenges, they frequently diverge on questions of culture and values. On few issues are they more at odds than immigration.
Originally Posted by The Washington Post
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18th June 2017, 10:18 AM | #2 |
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While trying to push certain bills through the state legislature I noticed that the divide was more rural vs urban than democrat vs republican. This is nothing new to me.
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That's because of the false dichotomy. Currently both parties are urban based, so it's rich city folks against poor city folks and small town USA crumbles.
All by design though. Rural America has been targeted for elimination since the early 1970's at least. Some say even earlier. |
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18th June 2017, 01:11 PM | #5 |
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This is patently false. No one is targeting rural America for elimination. It is simply that economic pressures combined with automation has ravaged rural America and that has been a steady process for at least a hundred years. In 1930, the average farmer fed 4 people and today that number has risen to 155. Fewer and fewer children take over the family farm although I have read a few articles that suggest that could be changing.
I have no doubt that Christianity is feeling the pressures of modernity. That's because it is 2000 year old bs. And this poses a greater threat in rural America because church plays a more central role in their lives than it does with most people in the cities. It's about community. And that is synonymous with the church. As a former Christian I miss the church very much. The religion, not so much. . |
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Nope. While I claimed there was a divide, it was based on the opinions of a few gun control bills and not anything else. The resources controlled by those in rural areas are of enough significance that those rural people are going to remain a large influence in the years to come.
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There was a cultural divide between city and country probably as soon as the first city sprang up in Sumeria. It's one of the constants of history.
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18th June 2017, 02:35 PM | #10 |
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Good example where it is advertised as a good thing. But the transition to full mechanised tractors was completed shortly after WWII
What devastated Rural America financially happened much later. It was planned and devised by this man:
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A reflection on the lasting legacy of 1970s USDA Secretary Earl Butz Top 10 Worst Cabinet Members - TIME His campaign to drive farmers off the land, the so called "get big or get out" campaign to destabilize farmers financially is very real, not some make believe conspiracy theory. It involved very real Agricultural policy and billions of directed subsidies to accomplish his set goal. But that of course isn't proof he succeeded. After all there have been countless government policies that have failed to meet their goals. So lets see if the stats back it up. In 1945 27% of farmers in US were forced to work off farm to earn a decent living. By 2002 93% of farmers had off-farm income to make ends meet. Source: Compiled by Economic Research Service, USDA, using data from Census of Agriculture and Census of the United States In 2012 the average age of farmers was 58.3 with over 20 times more farmers over age 75 as under 25. This has been growing steadily every year, as income:cost of living ratio has dropped. When new young farmers can’t afford to get in, old farmers can’t retire. 52.2% of those farmers principle income off farm and only 46.1% of farmers with net positive income from farming. Source: USDA-NASS, Census of Agriculture In 1950 farmers received 41% of the food dollar spent by consumers. Now it is 17.4% on average. Certain things like commodity grains even as low as 3%. Source: USDA-ERS The entire economic foundation of the heartland of this great country completely gutted by one evil man’s policies. Never in the history of US politics has anyone ever so thoroughly devastated the constituency they were supposed to protect. Exactly why the guy can be removed from office in disgrace, thrown in jail and completely universally despised; yet his Ag policies remain, though slightly modified, is beyond comprehension to me. |
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Christianity itself was an urban religion. That's why the early ones called nonbelievers "pagans". It means "hicks".
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It is a good thing. I was raised on a farm, but would never go back to that lifestyle by choice.
The divide between rural and urban isn't due to geography. Rural residents’ values are different because they are different, not because of where they live. They live in rural areas because they want to be isolated from change, while those who were willing to change moved to the cities.
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Claim without evidence.
Meaningless anecdote. But obviously internally inconsistent, because if it was so good (subjectively your words) then you wouldn't be saying "I'll never go back".
No that's what you did, and why. Meaningless anecdote regarding Rural USA. By design as well: How American Food Aid Keeps the Third World Hungry Food Dumping [Aid] Maintains Poverty Behind India’s ‘Epidemic’ Of Farmer Suicides American Food Aid: Disruption and Development in Haiti Drought, Corruption, and War: Syria's Agricultural Crisis You are not so good at this whole skeptic thing are you? I mean critical thinking with evidence rather than spewing whatever happens to sound good to you at the moment? |
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The move to big business farming is somehow the fault of big city liberals?
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A poll was needed, seriously?
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I know for Wisconsin, Madison was selected because one of the politicians owned a bunch of land on the the isthmus. I think it was Jame Duane Doty. Madison wasn't even a town at the time of selection.
Back to the OP, he poll is unsurprising. People living in rural areas have less diversity and therefore fewer outside ideas being introduced therefore they are less likely to change. However, I wonder how mass media impact this now? |
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The great American fallout: how small towns came to resent cities
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And who wants to be the only black family in a rural town? They will rape your son with a coathanger and it is chalked up to boys being boys.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...john-rk-howard That is good old fashion american values there. |
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Most Americans live in suburbs, which is quite a different lifestyle and culture from either "rural" or "urban".
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The Great Plains have been in a steady population decline for over 100 years. Rural flight is happening in just about every country. Cities are more efficient and provides more opportunities to people. We need less farmers, loggers, and miners and we need less people to service rural communities or the people servicing them no longer need to by physically colocated with rural people. It isn't some plot or "neoliberalism", it is simply technological progress.
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I live in Sacramento, tell me about it........
I also think we have to be careful about lumping all rural communites together. There is a LOT of difference between a small town in the Central Valley of California, a Small Town in Wyoming, a Small town In Kansas,and a small town in Georgia. |
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Once again, Small Towns have ALWAYS resented big cities,the whole folklore of the "City Slicker " shows that.
And Big Cities have already regarded small towns with a certain contempt;all the "hick" jokes. And this is nothing new:In Ancient Rome we know residents of the City ridiculed people who lived in the provinces. |
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That holds for vacation areas also, the Berkshires is an example. The southern Berkshires in Massachusetts have been taken over by a large extent by wealthy New Yorker's building expensive second homes. The old time locals can't afford to live there and have to leave to urban/suburban areas to find work. This is not due to any grand conspiracy but the economic reality that the portlandatheist mentioned of factories leaving areas. New England is certainly filled with depressed old mill towns.
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