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1st March 2017, 10:49 PM | #601 |
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Rand Paul has put on some brilliant political theatre today.
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Really depends on exactly what the solution is, and how many people can feasibly be re-tasked into tangential roles under the new structure. If we end up with something akin to Switzerland, probably only tens of thousands, maybe not even that. If we go full NHS model, then yes, hundreds of thousands.
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There are by now millions of Americans working jobs that produce nothing at all. Both government and business. Walmart greeters etc.
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Walmart clearly thinks the greeters have some function - otherwise it wouldn't spend money employing them . Now whether you personally think that they produce something worthwhile is a different question.
OTOH it seems that one of the key arguments against reforming an inefficient healthcare industry is that it will put people out of work. That doesn't seem to be an economically efficient argument to me and that keeping them just to avoid making them unemployed makes as much sense as continuing to employ buggy whip manufacturers by the thousand or "firemen" to work alongside train drivers. |
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Question: How does community rating work, which I understand has been tried in some states? As I understand it, insurance companies may charge whatever premiums they like, but are required to charge everyone -- whether as individuals or in groups -- the same premiums. In effect, everybody in the state becomes part of one policy group. How does community rating affect costs, availability, coverage, etc.? Would that make sense as a successor to the ACA, and a step toward universal coverage?
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They don't have to chase anybody down. In the law enforcement continuum, the first stage is "presence," letting potential bad actors know they're being watched. The greeters are enough to discourage people from carrying stuff out the door because the greeters can call security and the police. Most of the time that's enough.
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John Oliver takes on the Republican Health Care plan.
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Early problems are being identified. The GOP plan limits tax credits for premiums at $4000 per year. The average subsidy in NC last year was over $4800.
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6th March 2017, 07:43 PM | #627 |
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Whatever happens with this law Democrats should claim the victory. They have shifted the range of possibilities to the left. This isn't what the ACA replacement looks like if Romney wins in 2012.
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Interesting, subsidies not affected until after the 2018 election and other provisions perhaps extended past the 2020 election.
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Tax credits are a stupid way to make things affordable. In order to get the credit, you have to have already paid. Which means you had to be able to afford it in the first place.
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7th March 2017, 12:19 AM | #633 |
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It's just another scheme to give tax breaks to the wealthy.
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7th March 2017, 02:17 AM | #634 |
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That may or may not be so. A deduction requires you to have paid, but a credit doesn't necessarily. For example, the Child Tax Credit: http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/brief...tax-credit-ctc
I might, for political reasons, allow a credit for everyone based on age and say it's an incentive to buy health insurance. But if I don't mandate (and check) actual policies, those who don't buy insurance would still get the benefit. On the other hand, a deduction would require proof (or at least a claim) that income was spent on medical costs and hence not taxable (the norm right now). |
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I take it this is healthcare for everyone* then?
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Exactly. This tax credit will go to people and then those people can spend it however they want. Millions will decide to keep that money to spend on other bills or things. Insurance companies will then have to raise premiums in order to cover pre-existing conditions. Those premiums will be so high that others will decide to just keep the tax credit money to spend elsewhere, which will cause insurance companies to raise premiums again. This cycle will continue until only the wealthy have insurance.
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The tax credits under the plan are refundable, which generally means they are the sort that you get whether or not you owe any tax. It's just a subsidy that happens to get paid at the time you fill out the tax form.
I suppose the press will get on this and do the analysis on what's really in this plan, but it sure looks like what you might expect from Republicans. Give less than before, and don't pay for any of it. I truly don't understand one aspect of it, which is the element that insurance isn't mandatory, but the insurance companies can't deny coverage based on preexisting conditions. How does that even work? I can't come up with any scenario where that makes any sense at all. ETA: Of course, in an earlier thread, I predicted that they wouldn't do anything at all. They would offer up bills that wouldn't get the support of their own members. Maybe this is part of that strategy. They put up a bill knowing that Democrats won't support it, and right wing Republicans won't support it. Nothing happens and the ACA stays in place. Stay tuned. |
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I read it allows (compels?) a 30% premium increase if you 'let' coverage lapse. So if you're like most people and get your insurance through your employer does that mean you're more tied to not switching jobs than before? Would suck to get laid off without enough notice to get a new private policy...
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For more than two months. Still a bad bill that is going to please no one. Seven years and the best plan they could come up with is taking Obamacare but stripping it down and doing a massive transfer of wealth from seniors and poor people to the insurers and the rich.
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