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4th April 2017, 05:30 PM | #2361 |
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About Trump's plan to sabotage the ACA, and then blame Democrats for it....
http://files.kff.org/attachment/Topl...oll-April-2017 |
4th April 2017, 05:35 PM | #2362 |
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4th April 2017, 05:44 PM | #2363 |
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How would everyone feel if Trump's next proposal was universal catastrophic coverage? Granted I've only really seen this idea thrown out as some kind of super genius master plan involving his first attempt failing so he can get what he really wanted but I don't know how people feel about the idea in general.
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4th April 2017, 06:09 PM | #2364 |
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The House GOP website says the following:
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And, now it looks like they may well try to make it so Americans can be charged more because of a pre-existing condition. Lying scum. |
4th April 2017, 07:00 PM | #2365 |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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4th April 2017, 08:20 PM | #2366 |
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Yes, and I wouldn't be surprised if Trump thinks that would be an incentive for everyone to become a multi-millionaire or even billionaires and pay for their own health care. Fake President Trump is an idiot who managed to dupe a number of his supporters who were not smart enough to figure out his lame game before he was elected. |
5th April 2017, 02:25 AM | #2367 |
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Again, you are adamant that your opinion is not an opinion; it's factual reality. You are just as dogmatic as any woo-woo.
Tell me, if I apply for a job and you apply for that job as well, is it accurate to say that I'm trying to take away your livelihood and starve your children? |
5th April 2017, 02:45 AM | #2368 |
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I would be very surprised if the GOP were moustache-twirling villains whose primary goal was to make rich people richer and make everybody else miserable. Mwa ha ha ha ha!!! Those serfs won't know what happened to them! Come on, now. We can say, and agree, that that's the end result, but to say that it's the desired end in and of itself is nothing but partisan, emotion-based rhetoric.
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5th April 2017, 02:46 AM | #2369 |
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If that's just the side effect, what's the actual feature? What is the point of the repeal if not to achieve fewer taxes for the rich and less healthcare for the poor? Have they been taking the mickey with such impunity for so long that they've forgotten their needs to be a facade of concern for anyone not making at least a seven figure sum? Either the results are the intention or they're so unable to grasp cause and effect that they're unfit for office. Is there another explanation? |
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Instead of producing an analogy that doesn't in any way fit the situation, why not just answer what you were asked?
If I'm the CEO and I decide to pay my top officers millions of dollars in bonuses, close the plant you work in and lay you off in order to "save money" am I blah-blah-blah? |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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5th April 2017, 02:58 AM | #2376 |
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All of their policies? Care you demonstrate this?
How about you answer my question? My scenario shows you the difference between intent and effect. You chose to ignore that. I would like you to be honest with me and address that. Circular reasoning. |
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I think your analogy is a very poor one, so no I won't answer it. Mine is much better.
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I don't know how it could possibly be more obvious. Do they have to come right out and say it? Obviously they are going to lie because they know that otherwise their plan would be even more unpopular. |
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More accurately that he would be trying to get richer and screwing you over would be the means. The same way that Republicans are trying to make rich people richer by screwing poor people over.
I hardly see how it is an opinion. It couldn't possibly be more clear that it is the entire aim of the bill. Rich people get tax cuts. Poor people lose subsidies/Medicaid. |
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This whole argument to me is like trying to argue that Democrats weren't trying to give millions of people healthcare by making rich people a little less rich. Um, yeah, that's exactly what they were trying to do (and did). Probably the biggest reason that Republicans hate it so much. Well maybe besides the fact that Obama signed it into law.
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The opinion part is poor people losing subsidies/Medicaid. I don't think that's a primary aim for more than Ayn Rand worshippers among the GOP - granted, there are a few of those, Ryan included. The main part is lowering taxes on the rich. That's not really an opinion. That's just plainly what the bill is there for.
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I think it would be way worse for Trump and the Republicans if they pass this garbage bill than if they just let it die. People will be absolutely outraged if they do pass it and it will hurt them immensely in 2018 and 2020.
But still, I want them to fail. It wouldn't even affect me really, but I don't want so many people hurt just so Republicans can cut taxes for rich people. Even if it may help Democrats. |
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I see. As long as we can imagine some link to finances somewhere/somewhen, then it's still an example of "making the rich richer."
I should have known. Those guys are just too clever for me, what with all the layers in the onion. It's almost as bad as those Jewish bankers. |
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I thought you knew. Planned parenthood and their cheap clinics are how the rich have been saving money on pregnancy services. PP already makes them richer!
There's no escape. Even if you murdered the rich in their sleep, their insurance would just make their heirs even richer. |
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