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Old 30th November 2016, 05:11 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by Spins View Post
Then as the Podesta emails started to get published someone on the Donald sub claimed that they'd uncovered some suspicious emails that could be construed as pedophilic code.
Treating /r/the_donald as a reliable information source about the Clintons isn't a good idea.

If you need a reason for that, read the subreddit name.
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Old 30th November 2016, 05:13 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by Spins View Post
OK here is the deal, either take it or leave it.


TBH I wasn't particularly impressed but then as people started to do a little digging that's when Tony's penchant for pedophilic art came out, for example people would visit his house and be quite taken aback that his bedroom basically had pictures of naked kids hanging on the wall.
Again, teenagers are not always kids. 18 and 19 year olds are teenagers but also adults by law.

I tried to find info on this claim. All I could find was something saying that some visitors to his house saw some artwork by someone who supposedly takes pictures of naked teenagers. Nowhere did I see that those teenagers are kids or that the art work this guy had on his wall was of kids.

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Old 30th November 2016, 05:15 PM   #203
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Originally Posted by Spins View Post
Tony's penchant for pedophilic art came out, for example people would visit his house and be quite taken aback that his bedroom basically had pictures of naked kids hanging on the wall.
....and you still haven't posted a link that shows he has a penchant for pedophilic art, much less what the subjects of the art is.
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Old 30th November 2016, 05:21 PM   #204
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Spins, would it be wrong or creepy for this Led Zeppelin album cover be hanging on someone's wall?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...bc2220c248.jpg

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Old 30th November 2016, 05:30 PM   #205
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Originally Posted by RussDill View Post
....and you still haven't posted a link that shows he has a penchant for pedophilic art, much less what the subjects of the art is.

TBH I thought it was a Guardian article but I can't find it, this one mentions the artwork...

https://archive.fo/vddrO

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"At political events, there's an inevitable awkwardness," former Clinton administration official Sally Katzen said at a Women's Campaign Fund dinner at the Podestas' home this summer. "The art is an ice-breaker. It puts people at ease."

Not always. Folks attending a house tour in the Lake Barcroft neighborhood in Falls Church earlier this year got an eyeful when they walked into a bedroom at the Podesta residence hung with multiple color pictures by Katy Grannan, a photographer known for documentary-style pictures of naked teenagers in their parents' suburban homes.

"They were horrified," Heather recalls, a grin spreading across her face.
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Old 30th November 2016, 05:35 PM   #206
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Originally Posted by Spins View Post
TBH I thought it was a Guardian article but I can't find it, this one mentions the artwork...

https://archive.fo/vddrO
Nowhere does it say anything about the pictures being of kids.
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Old 30th November 2016, 05:40 PM   #207
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Originally Posted by mike81 View Post
Spins, would it be wrong or creepy for this Led Zeppelin album cover be hanging on someone's wall?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...bc2220c248.jpg

Nope, but I tried to explain my thinking before, I'm not trying to convince anyone of massive wrong doing it's all just a hunch. Jimmy Savile successfully managed to abuse at least 500 people (predominantly kids) before his death and still managed to pull off a knighthood. If you asked the average person in the street prior to his death if he was a pedo they'd have probably laughed, but many people at the BBC new about the rumors and nothing ever happened. Same here, people in positions of power using their influence to evade capture.
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Old 30th November 2016, 05:44 PM   #208
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Originally Posted by mike81 View Post
Nowhere does it say anything about the pictures being of kids.

OK either way they were taken aback. One of his other favorite artists is Biljana Djurdjevic...

https://img1.steemit.com/0x0/https:/....mg/dBY95x.jpg
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Originally Posted by Spins View Post
OK either way they were taken aback. One of his other favorite artists is Biljana Djurdjevic...

https://img1.steemit.com/0x0/https:/....mg/dBY95x.jpg
How about if I give you everything that's even possibly insinuated?

Let's assume these paintings were in Tony's possession (Probably, not, these are simply a collection of images from an artist he has some work of, images cherry picked to lead to a conclusion. Djurduevic also paints adult, middle aged and elderly people in similar awkward poses.)

Let's assume that possession of these paintings is a good reason to think something sinister about Tony Podesta. (It isn't, he had in his collection over 700 contemporary pieces including Olafur Eliasson, Gillian Wearing, Loris Cecchini and on and on)

How in the hell do you get from "This Tony guy looks sketchy" to "A pizza place his brother had some parties at is a pedophile ring"

Seriously, what are the intermediate steps?
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Old 30th November 2016, 06:58 PM   #211
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Originally Posted by Cavemonster View Post
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How in the hell do you get from "This Tony guy looks sketchy" to "A pizza place his brother had some parties at is a pedophile ring"

Seriously, what are the intermediate steps
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No need for facts - it's faith based character assassination, no different than birthers or secret muslim traitor/homosexual conspiracy theory advocates on President Obama.
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Old 30th November 2016, 07:19 PM   #212
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More info at Snopes.

People are idiots. People who manufacture fake news stories. People who believe them, who do no research on them, and who pass them along indiscriminately. People... just people.

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Sounds like the LibDicker media that did everything in its pathetic power to get Shillary elected.
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Originally Posted by Spins View Post
Nope, but I tried to explain my thinking before, I'm not trying to convince anyone of massive wrong doing it's all just a hunch. Jimmy Savile successfully managed to abuse at least 500 people (predominantly kids) before his death and still managed to pull off a knighthood. If you asked the average person in the street prior to his death if he was a pedo they'd have probably laughed, but many people at the BBC new about the rumors and nothing ever happened. Same here, people in positions of power using their influence to evade capture.
Somewhere, somebody did something sorta like what you are guessing someone did is never evidence they did it, or that your line of reasoning is correct. How many pizza parlors did Jimmy Savile make use of that had funny looking paintings and your occasional antler? Yeah, I file this one under Birther, Sandy Hook, Truther and Apollohoax, CTs that self-perpetuate due to the collective inability to admit error combined with selective reinforcement.
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Originally Posted by Spins View Post
Nope, but I tried to explain my thinking before, I'm not trying to convince anyone of massive wrong doing it's all just a hunch. Jimmy Savile successfully managed to abuse at least 500 people (predominantly kids) before his death and still managed to pull off a knighthood. If you asked the average person in the street prior to his death if he was a pedo they'd have probably laughed, but many people at the BBC new about the rumors and nothing ever happened. Same here, people in positions of power using their influence to evade capture.
And this is why you and others are doing more harm than good.

Jimmy Savile is an example of a real predator, and as you said many at BBC knew of his evils. Nobody knows anything about a pedo-ring run out of this pizza parlor - nobody. By spreading lies you and people like you make it easy for the real bad guys to continue to get away with their operations when you needlessly cry wolf.
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Old 30th November 2016, 10:10 PM   #215
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Originally Posted by mike81 View Post
Spins, would it be wrong or creepy for this Led Zeppelin album cover be hanging on someone's wall?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...bc2220c248.jpg
"Houses of the Holy", loved it when I bought it in the mid 1970s
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Nope, but I tried to explain my thinking before, I'm not trying to convince anyone of massive wrong doing it's all just a hunch. Jimmy Savile successfully managed to abuse at least 500 people (predominantly kids) before his death and still managed to pull off a knighthood. If you asked the average person in the street prior to his death if he was a pedo they'd have probably laughed, but many people at the BBC new about the rumors and nothing ever happened. Same here, people in positions of power using their influence to evade capture.
If someone would devise a conspiracy theory about you based on what you post online, what would you do?
If someone would call you a child murdering rapist based on a 'hunch' about a painting on your brother's wall, how would you react?

I assume that at the very least you'd ask them to prove it, but more likely you'd feel victimized, get angry at people who would callously make things up and get scared because of all of the death threats you're suddenly receiving.
Why is it OK for you to do this to a stranger, if it's not OK for them to do it to you?
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If someone would devise a conspiracy theory about you based on what you post online, what would you do?
If someone would call you a child murdering rapist based on a 'hunch' about a painting on your brother's wall, how would you react?

I assume that at the very least you'd ask them to prove it, but more likely you'd feel victimized, get angry at people who would callously make things up and get scared because of all of the death threats you're suddenly receiving.
Why is it OK for you to do this to a stranger, if it's not OK for them to do it to you?
You should distinguish between nutters on reddit who are convinced this CT is real and call for vigilante actions, or trolls who create false evidence, or hackers who publish peopleīs personal photos etc. and us, who just point at some of the already published material in this skeptics forum and just want to see how it gets debunked. Completely different. If there were a CT about me Iīd publish it here myself, because I consider this forum to be quite sane and level-headed (on average) and good for debunking stuff.

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You should distinguish between nutters on reddit who are convinced this CT is real and call for vigilante actions, or trolls who create false evidence, or hackers who publish peopleīs personal photos etc. and us, who just point at some of the already published material in this skeptics forum and just want to see how it gets debunked. Completely different. If there were a CT about me Iīd publish it here myself, because I consider this forum to be quite sane and level-headed (on average) and good for debunking stuff.
I don't understand how you don't see that there's nothing to debunk.
Look at it. All you've posted is Instagram pictures from a restaurant and pictures of paintings that are either owned by the restaurant, or the brother of one of the customers of the restaurant, or not even that, but just made by the same artist.
And every time people ask you what this is suppposed to mean you deny responsibility for your own posts, saying that you're only asking questions, but didn't come up with the ct, so you don;t have to defend anything.

You are not asking any questions. You are posting pictures, claiming they are somehow 'not normal' and link them to a conspiracy theory about a murderous child raping gang operating a pizza parlor.

If you can't see your insinuations mean nothing, and you are unwilling to actually claim what you think they prove, there is nothing anyone can do.

If you could explain how you think owning art you don't like is evidence of a criminal conspiracy, then maybe there'd be something to debunk.
At the moment, you're just slinging mud and denying responsibility, before slinging some more and wondering how all the mud got there.
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If you asked the average person in the street prior to <Jimmy Savile's> death if he was a pedo they'd have probably laughed, ...
Rubbish.
He was always considered "odd"...it was a joke at school when I was a kid for crying out loud.
No one was actually surprised.
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I don't understand how you don't see that there's nothing to debunk.
Look at it. All you've posted is Instagram pictures from a restaurant and pictures of paintings that are either owned by the restaurant, or the brother of one of the customers of the restaurant, or not even that, but just made by the same artist.
And every time people ask you what this is suppposed to mean you deny responsibility for your own posts, saying that you're only asking questions, but didn't come up with the ct, so you don;t have to defend anything.

You are not asking any questions. You are posting pictures, claiming they are somehow 'not normal' and link them to a conspiracy theory about a murderous child raping gang operating a pizza parlor.

If you can't see your insinuations mean nothing, and you are unwilling to actually claim what you think they prove, there is nothing anyone can do.

If you could explain how you think owning art you don't like is evidence of a criminal conspiracy, then maybe there'd be something to debunk.
At the moment, you're just slinging mud and denying responsibility, before slinging some more and wondering how all the mud got there.
Nope. I posted a link to a website (I think it was this https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/) and then extracted a couple of pics from it to elicit some discussion in this thread that was created by someone else around the same issue. Iīm not he one linking them to a conspiracy, that website (and many symilar other sites) do. Iīm not slinging mud, I just point at some of the already slung mud. Just like this thead does.
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Nope. I posted a link to a website (I think it was this https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/) and then extracted a couple of pics from it to elicit some discussion in this thread that was created by someone else around the same issue. Iīm not he one linking them to a conspiracy, that website (and many symilar other sites) do. Iīm not slinging mud, I just point at some of the already slung mud. Just like this thead does.
Linking to pictures repeatedly and asking 'aren't they strange?' isn't discussing anything.
If you really wanted to discuss anything, you'd say what you think those pictures mean. As long as you provide no input, there is only one thing to say:

Accusing a person of raping, selling and murdering children because you think their taste in paintings is unusual is nothing more than a witch hunt.
If you have nothing to say about these images and nothing to add or ask, there is nothing to discuss.
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It appears that Reddit wants to clean up its act:

https://politics.slashdot.org/story/...of-toxic-users

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Last week, Reddit banned Pizzagate, a community devoted to a conspiracy theory, with no evidence to back it up, that links Clinton to a pedophile ring at a Washington, D.C. pizza parlor, after it posted personal information in violation of Reddit policy.
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It appears that Reddit wants to clean up its act:

https://politics.slashdot.org/story/...of-toxic-users
They didn't clean up. The conspiracy got to them!
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Nope. I posted a link to a website (I think it was this https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/) and then extracted a couple of pics from it to elicit some discussion in this thread that was created by someone else around the same issue. Iīm not he one linking them to a conspiracy, that website (and many symilar other sites) do. Iīm not slinging mud, I just point at some of the already slung mud. Just like this thead does.
Of course you are slinging mud, it just happens to be mud that you picked up after someone else slung it.
You haven't offered much of any personal opinion on it but what you have offered indicates sympathy for the opinions on such sites rather than disgust at it being the false news, uneducated, untrained, speculation that it is.

You ARE part of the problem.
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Is that a joke?

Anyway, look what I found. Weird, innit?

https://twitter.com/AndrewBreitbart/...36278100561920
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There seems to be something "horrifying" in their bedroom walls:

"Folks attending a house tour in the Lake Barcroft neighborhood in Falls Church earlier this year got an eyeful when they walked into a bedroom at the Podesta residence hung with multiple color pictures by Katy Grannan, a photographer known for documentary-style pictures of naked teenagers in their parents' suburban homes.
"They were horrified," Heather recalls, a grin spreading across her face."


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You donīt seem to understant CT-s. You can draw any conclusions you want. Just pointing our that something is weird is rather meaningles. And if you tell me that I just did that, in my earlier post about Breitbartīs tweet, I think in that case the conclusion, or the context is quite obvious, isnīt it?
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You should distinguish between nutters on reddit who are convinced this CT is real and call for vigilante actions, or trolls who create false evidence, or hackers who publish peopleīs personal photos etc. and us, who just point at some of the already published material in this skeptics forum and just want to see how it gets debunked. Completely different.
Really? In the above, point out where you asked for how this is debunked.
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They didn't clean up. The conspiracy got to them!
It was intrepid debunker Abooga, or those like him, that drew attention of the MIB to the egregious nature of the whistleblowers on redditt.
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Weird, isn't it?
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Sounds like the LibDicker media that did everything in its pathetic power to get Shillary elected.
No no actual response then?
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Rubbish.
He was always considered "odd"...it was a joke at school when I was a kid for crying out loud.
No one was actually surprised.
Certainly no-one who knew him or had worked with him. Hell Val McDermid based Wire in the Blood on him.
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Really? In the above, point out where you asked for how this is debunked.
No need to ask, it comes as a standard, in this forum. If I wanted support from conspiracy theorists Iīd post in burbuja.info, for example (a Spanish forum very fond of CT-s. Quite entertaining.)
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Old 1st December 2016, 08:09 AM   #232
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Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
It was intrepid debunker Abooga, or those like him, that drew attention of the MIB to the egregious nature of the whistleblowers on redditt.
I never posted on reddit, I only brought some of redditīs material to the pizzagate thread in this forum. To see if anyome had anything interesting to say about it. It was all quite predictable, however.
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Old 1st December 2016, 08:09 AM   #233
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No need to ask, it comes as a standard, in this forum.
No it doesn't. The reaction comes normally, but not the request. You think bigfooters coming here are asking for us to debunk their nonsense? No, they're here to preach.
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Old 1st December 2016, 08:11 AM   #234
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Originally Posted by jaydeehess View Post
Of course you are slinging mud, it just happens to be mud that you picked up after someone else slung it.
You haven't offered much of any personal opinion on it but what you have offered indicates sympathy for the opinions on such sites rather than disgust at it being the false news, uneducated, untrained, speculation that it is.

You ARE part of the problem.
No.
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Old 1st December 2016, 08:13 AM   #235
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No it doesn't. The reaction comes normally, but not the request. You think bigfooters coming here are asking for us to debunk their nonsense? No, they're here to preach.
Well, Iīm not.

I get this a lot in this forum, Iīm not a believer in woo, but people often assume I am because Iīm not vociferously attacking it all the time. Oh well...
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Old 1st December 2016, 08:14 AM   #236
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Originally Posted by Abooga View Post
No.
"No. I'm posting baseless accusations and pictures, calling them 'weird' and implying that something shady is going on, but I'm in no way contributing to the baseless accuation itself."

Right, sure. Whatever.
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Old 1st December 2016, 08:17 AM   #237
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
"No. I'm posting baseless accusations and pictures, calling them 'weird' and implying that something shady is going on, but I'm in no way contributing to the baseless accuation itself."

Right, sure. Whatever.
Let me remind you that I didnīt accuse anyone of anything. Some of you infer it but thatīs just that, assumptions.

But letīs not get sidetracked by talking about me. Letīs see if anything new comes up about pizzagate...
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Old 1st December 2016, 08:19 AM   #238
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Originally Posted by Abooga View Post
I never posted on reddit, I only brought some of redditīs material to the pizzagate thread in this forum. To see if anyome had anything interesting to say about it. It was all quite predictable, however.
"Here is a picture of a painting, weird, isn't it?"
"Not really, and why are you linking to a site that accuses the owner of this painting of rape?"
"Don't ask me, I'm just wondering if you can debunk this."
"Debunk what? It's a painting."
"Don't ask me, I'm just curious. Here is another painting, weird, isn't it?"
"Still not weird. Are you accusing the owner of this painting of raping kids and hiding clues in his restaurant, like the people on the site you're linking to are doing?"
"Stop attacking me. Here is another painting, isn't it suspicious?"
"What in the seven hells is suspicious about it?"
"Don't ask me, I'm just posting the link. your replies are very predictable, I'm disappointed nobody is debunking this."

Either post something concrete, or stop sending us random context free links to a smear campaign if you're not going to discuss it.
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Old 1st December 2016, 08:23 AM   #239
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Originally Posted by Porpoise of Life View Post
"Here is a picture of a painting, weird, isn't it?"
"Not really, and why are you linking to a site that accuses the owner of this painting of rape?"
"Don't ask me, I'm just wondering if you can debunk this."
"Debunk what? It's a painting."
"Don't ask me, I'm just curious. Here is another painting, weird, isn't it?"
"Still not weird. Are you accusing the owner of this painting of raping kids and hiding clues in his restaurant, like the people on the site you're linking to are doing?"
"Stop attacking me. Here is another painting, isn't it suspicious?"
"What in the seven hells is suspicious about it?"
"Don't ask me, I'm just posting the link. your replies are very predictable, I'm disappointed nobody is debunking this."

Either post something concrete, or stop sending us random context free links to a smear campaign if you're not going to discuss it.
LOL

It sounds quite funny now that you put it that way

But as I said, thatīs enough about talking about me. Iīll try to present things in a more "discussion-shaped" and formal way next time.
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Old 1st December 2016, 08:26 AM   #240
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Originally Posted by Cavemonster View Post
How in the hell do you get from "This Tony guy looks sketchy" to "A pizza place his brother had some parties at is a pedophile ring"

Seriously, what are the intermediate steps?
I'm assuming you must have missed the part about the yellow necklace. That pretty much sealed the deal for me.

At least as far as my opinion of someone who has a deep knowledge of deviant sexual activities and outsider art almost on par with our cataclysmic simian friend, but with obvious overtones of shame and self loathing that are a bit off putting.
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