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Old 1st December 2016, 01:56 PM   #321
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
In theory, yes.

In practice, no. In the US, advocating for pedophilia is protected by the first amendment; so pro-pedophile rhetoric websites exist - on the regular, non-dark web - and they apparently freely and openly use the triangle and the heart symbols that appear on the alleged FBI document. So regardless of whether the document is a genuine FBI document, or whether they appeared on a TV show episode or when, it does appear these symbols are used by pedophiles in the manner the document contends.
Such...delicious innocence.

Yes.

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Feel free to look up a pro-pedo community or advocacy website; the symbols are there, in use, for absolutely any skeptical person to see for themselves. Don't worry, the open-internet websites will not have any illegal content on them. If you're understandably worried about tainting your Google search dossier, the alleged FBI document contains some URLs that you can visit directly so there's no need to search.

If you're unwilling to do that and see for yourself that self-identified pedos openly use these symbols, and obviously don't care whether law enforcement "knows" about them or not, then your pretense that it just simply can't be true because reasons is an uninformed denial of reality.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Feel free to look up a pro-pedo community or advocacy website; the symbols are there, in use, for absolutely any skeptical person to see for themselves.
There are people open about this? I suppose they're being watched carefully. Well, I'll take your word that the symbol indeed exists, then. I'm not interested in going to one of those.

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If you're unwilling to do that and see for yourself that self-identified pedos openly use these symbols, and obviously don't care whether law enforcement "knows" about them or not, then your pretense that it just simply can't be true because reasons is an uninformed denial of reality.
Now you just had to go and become unreasonable about this.
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Old 1st December 2016, 02:31 PM   #324
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Feel free to look up a pro-pedo community or advocacy website; the symbols are there, in use, for absolutely any skeptical person to see for themselves. Don't worry, the open-internet websites will not have any illegal content on them. If you're understandably worried about tainting your Google search dossier, the alleged FBI document contains some URLs that you can visit directly so there's no need to search.

If you're unwilling to do that and see for yourself that self-identified pedos openly use these symbols, and obviously don't care whether law enforcement "knows" about them or not, then your pretense that it just simply can't be true because reasons is an uninformed denial of reality.
But those are self professed, out in the open pedo advocates. That is the exact opposite of what the pizza place is being described as.

It's like comparing the local sheriff to undercover CIA officers. I really doubt the undercover CIA officers can be recognized by their use of police spec domestic vehicles with a light bar on top, steel wheels, and exempt plates. When you see police spec domestic vehicles it is either a cop, a security guard, or a cheap blues band. It sure as hell isn't an undercover CIA officer. Unless he is undercover as a cop, a security guard, or a member of cheap blues band.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
But those are self professed, out in the open pedo advocates. That is the exact opposite of what the pizza place is being described as.
I only know that the symbols in the supposed FBI document are "real". I have no idea how they're supposed to be connected to this pizza place conspiracy theory though; DragonLady will have to explain where she was going with that.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
I only know that the symbols in the supposed FBI document are "real". I have no idea how they're supposed to be connected to this pizza place conspiracy theory though; DragonLady will have to explain where she was going with that.
"Real" and "widely used" are quite different.

There were all sorts of weird drug culture symbols back when I was in school. Yet, I never knew them or used them. And yet within a few hours of arriving in a town I could usually figure out who could get some thing and start the process of procuring it. If anyone was searching us for the secret signs of druggies they would have been sorely disappointed. If they were searching for illegal substances they probably would have had more luck.
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Well there's the thing; as openly as they are used, I don't think they were ever meant to function as some kind of "secret" sign, for where to find children to rape or anything like that. I think they were meant to serve more analogous to pedophiles' "rainbow flag", if a bit lower-key and less in the public awareness (for obvious reasons)
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Well there's the thing; as openly as they are used, I don't think they were ever meant to function as some kind of "secret" sign, for where to find children to rape or anything like that. I think they were meant to serve more analogous to pedophiles' "rainbow flag", if a bit lower-key and less in the public awareness (for obvious reasons)
Right, and I get what you are saying. I guess I just see practicing pedophiles using that symbol about as likely as an actual gay couple driving a car with gay pride stickers on it in Saudi Arabia.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Feel free to look up a pro-pedo community or advocacy website; the symbols are there, in use, for absolutely any skeptical person to see for themselves. Don't worry, the open-internet websites will not have any illegal content on them. If you're understandably worried about tainting your Google search dossier, the alleged FBI document contains some URLs that you can visit directly so there's no need to search.

If you're unwilling to do that and see for yourself that self-identified pedos openly use these symbols, and obviously don't care whether law enforcement "knows" about them or not, then your pretense that it just simply can't be true because reasons is an uninformed denial of reality.
I wonder to whom this was intended to be addressed.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
But those are self professed, out in the open pedo advocates. That is the exact opposite of what the pizza place is being described as.

It's like comparing the local sheriff to undercover CIA officers. I really doubt the undercover CIA officers can be recognized by their use of police spec domestic vehicles with a light bar on top, steel wheels, and exempt plates. When you see police spec domestic vehicles it is either a cop, a security guard, or a cheap blues band. It sure as hell isn't an undercover CIA officer. Unless he is undercover as a cop, a security guard, or a member of cheap blues band.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
I only know that the symbols in the supposed FBI document are "real". I have no idea how they're supposed to be connected to this pizza place conspiracy theory though; DragonLady will have to explain where she was going with that.
This is an...odd...hedge, if the symbols are to be supposed to be "real"...
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This is an...odd...hedge, if the symbols are to be supposed to be "real"...
There is no doubt that the symbols are real. As I have said, pro-pedophile websites on the internet use them, and this can be seen by anyone who looks at them. However, someone doubted whether the document was an actual FBI document. I don't see any way of verifying that in the same definitive way that anyone can verify the symbols are "real" just by looking at the sites which use them.
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What I don't get, say these particular images are pedophile symbols, okay.

If I saw these exact images being used by this particular pizza place, that would probably get the "That's weird" response out of me. Something worth asking questions about.

Since these images are design elements that are not especially rare, a triangle spiral, a butterfly, a heart within a heart. Then I'd say images that were just reminiscent say pretty much nothing.

But we don't even have that.

Comet Ping Pong doesn't use these symbols. If this blue and pink butterfly were on their menu, that might need an explanation. If they had a butterfly at all, well that wouldn't be anything but I suppose you could claim it's a reference in some way. But they have a set of crossed ping pong paddles that looks nothing like that symbol in any meaningful way.

The other supposed use of the symbol is in a different pizza place down the street, and again, it isn't the exact symbol, it's a triangle spiral. Every stock art company sells triangle spirals. Every craft fair has jewlers selling triangle spiral earrings. And again, this is a competitor, how this says anything about Comet is beyond logic.

That's what gets me, how tortured ALL of these connections are.

I feel like I could make up a conspiracy theory out of thin air and come up with connections far more plausible and less tenuous than these.

A neighboring competitor uses an incredibly common shape that in another color and context is used by pedophiles?

The brother of a guy who has had parties there has paintings by a painter that look kinda weird.

A person who commented on their instagram put hashtags on a baby that look weird?

Really, if I took half a day I could invent a conspiracy where at least the evidence were things about the supposed consirator and not things tangentially related to it. This really makes Bigfoot, Roswell, 9-11 hell even the abominable Sandy Hook truthers look sane compared to this.
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It appears that Reddit wants to clean up its act:

https://politics.slashdot.org/story/...of-toxic-users
More details from the BBC.
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However, I think part of being a skeptic is not just waving away things as being coincidental without taking a long, hard look at the facts -or lack thereof- around an issue, all kinds of things really can hide in plain sight.
Part of being a skeptic is demanding solid evidence from anyone asserting that something out of the ordinary is true, especially if someone is being accused of a crime.

There is ZERO evidence for Pizzagate.

Those pedophile forums on the darknet are populated by two types of people: kiddie rapers, and law enforcement catfish. Large rings don't last too long:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montre...rges-1.3423914

The McMartin Preschool case set back law enforcement ten years because they abandoned standard investigative procedure for questionable pop-psychology woo.

Those who persecute innocent people are equal to child molesters.
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Has anyone mentioned that cheese pizza is internet slang for child pornography yet?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...m=cheese+pizza

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Comet Ping Pong doesn't use these symbols.
I haven't it claimed they were using the symbols either. Not that I've been following this conspiracy theory - the OP in this thread is the first I ever heard of it, and it sounds pretty fatuous altogether to me - but unless I missed it I don't remember anyone claiming the pizza place used these symbols. That's why I'm really waiting for DragonLady to maybe explain why she brought them up; she didn't say the place was using them. Maybe she was trying to make an analogy of some kind? Given the rather overwhelming negative response to her question about the symbols though, it's possible she might not bother continuing.
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As far as I understand it, the claim is that the whole block is owned by the same "group", some very well connected people very close to the Clintons. (Which some say are also involved in child trafficking.There were some allegations about some plane getting kids out of Haiti in the news.) Its all in https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/
For example:
This pizza place near Comet pizza :


"Comet Pizza is located across the street from Beyond Borders, which says on its website it works to “end child slavery and violence against girls” in Haiti and it is a subsidiary of the Clinton Foundation Charity. Confirmation of these facts can be found by visiting this website: Beyond Borders"
and
"Now let’s look at the Besta Pizza symbol two stores down from Comet and owned by former DOJ employee Andrew Kline of the human trafficking unit – a position he was appointed to by Bill Clinton. Source: Besta Owner Research"
Then there is , accross the street.

These symbols are supposed to have disappeared from these businesses. Or perhaps they were faked in the first place by the pizzagate "investigators". Does anyone know how this can be checked?

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One of the biggest ice cream brands in the world has a spiral made from two concentric hearts as its logo.
I guess they're all pedophiles too. Kids like ice cream, you know...

Really, 'a competitor on the same block has a triangular pizza slice in its logo' is somehow evidence that another business, owned by another person is committing crimes?

That's like saying you've found a muddled bear track somewhere, so that must mean that the real Bigfoot is hiding in the next forest over.
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One of the biggest ice cream brands in the world has a spiral made from two concentric hearts as its logo.
I guess they're all pedophiles too. Kids like ice cream, you know...

Really, 'a competitor on the same block has a triangular pizza slice in its logo' is somehow evidence that another business, owned by another person is committing crimes?

That's like saying you've found a muddled bear track somewhere, so that must mean that the real Bigfoot is hiding in the next forest over.
It is indeed very tenuous. I suspect the logos have been faked by the pizzagate reddit crew. If that were possible to prove we´d have more evidence that this was proper trollish "fake news". (if not proven it´s still very bad evidence)
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For **** sake those symbol can be found *everywhere* so I am even doubting the claim that it is used as a rainbow flag by pedo. In fact how sure are you those web site are real pedo advocate and not honeypot ?

Heck , look here : http://www.langnese.de/home

pah ! Triple heart !

And for the triangle one it is a constructor of building I don't remember the name on top of my head. Somebody may remember it, in reality it shows a beam in triangle form in false perspective but it looks like the triangle within triangle.


Those symbol are everywhere. That is why I am tipping on hoax / honeypot than real.

Probably NAMBLA (*)


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Originally Posted by Abooga View Post
As far as I understand it, the claim is that the whole block is owned by the same "group", some very well connected people very close to the Clintons. (Which some say are also involved in child trafficking.There were some allegations about some plane getting kids out of Haiti in the news.) Its all in https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/
For example:
This pizza place near Comet pizza :
https://dcpizzagate.files.wordpress....ng?w=392&h=697
https://dcpizzagate.files.wordpress....11/image92.png
"Comet Pizza is located across the street from Beyond Borders, which says on its website it works to “end child slavery and violence against girls” in Haiti and it is a subsidiary of the Clinton Foundation Charity. Confirmation of these facts can be found by visiting this website: Beyond Borders"
and
"Now let’s look at the Besta Pizza symbol two stores down from Comet and owned by former DOJ employee Andrew Kline of the human trafficking unit – a position he was appointed to by Bill Clinton. Source: Besta Owner Research"
Then there is http://i63.tinypic.com/2ynqhea.png, accross the street.

These symbols are supposed to have disappeared from these businesses. Or perhaps they were faked in the first place by the pizzagate "investigators". Does anyone know how this can be checked?
That's...seriously pushing it. Especially the heart logo, which aside from being a heart-shape in general, has absolutely nothing in common with the pedo symbol it's supposed to represent. I don't know if those logos were faked by the conspiracy theorists; it's possible, but I would tend to think if they were faking them they'd make them look a bit more plausibly like the pedo symbols they're trying to imply they are.

It's important noting that the businesses with these symbols allegedly in their logos are not claimed to be owned by Clinton friends or insiders, but are merely close by businesses that are. It's not exactly apologia to propose that the employees of the businesses owned by Clinton-friends would occasionally eat at restaurants only a couple of doors down for no other reason than that they're close.
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It's important noting that the businesses with these symbols allegedly in their logos are not claimed to be owned by Clinton friends or insiders, but are merely close by businesses that are. It's not exactly apologia to propose that the employees of the businesses owned by Clinton-friends would occasionally eat at restaurants only a couple of doors down for no other reason than that they're close.
"Besta Pizza symbol two stores down from Comet and owned by former DOJ employee Andrew Kline of the human trafficking unit – a position he was appointed to by Bill Clinton. Source: Besta Owner Research"
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It is indeed very tenuous. I suspect the logos have been faked by the pizzagate reddit crew. If that were possible to prove we´d have more evidence that this was proper trollish "fake news". (if not proven it´s still very bad evidence)
Why suspect it? The thing that feeds conspiracy theories is a bit like the black swan effect (or birthday paradox if you like) and given the law of averages, it would be very unlikely with this level of "investigation" if you didn't find odd coincidences.
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Why suspect it? The thing that feeds conspiracy theories is a bit like the black swan effect (or birthday paradox if you like) and given the law of averages, it would be very unlikely with this level of "investigation" if you didn't find odd coincidences.
I just suspected it because I could only find those logos in conspiracy theory sites, so I thought perhaps they were fabrications and the claim that they had changed was false. But what you say makes sense too, as I say, even if true they are most likely just coincidences.
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A good BBC piece on this nonsensical manufactroversy and the pathetic idiots who started it and continue to cling to it.
The saga of 'Pizzagate': The fake story that shows how conspiracy theories spread
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
I like this quote:
"They ignore basic truths," Alefantis tells BBC Trending. For instance, the conspiracy supposedly is run out of the restaurant's basement. "We don't even have a basement."
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Old 2nd December 2016, 05:55 AM   #348
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Hilarious.

Am I the only one bothered that there's such a thing as BBC "Trending"?
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Old 2nd December 2016, 06:08 AM   #349
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Originally Posted by eerok View Post
I like this quote:
"They ignore basic truths," Alefantis tells BBC Trending. For instance, the conspiracy supposedly is run out of the restaurant's basement. "We don't even have a basement."
Of course they would deny the existence of their secret sex basement
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Old 2nd December 2016, 07:39 AM   #350
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"Besta Pizza symbol two stores down from Comet and owned by former DOJ employee Andrew Kline of the human trafficking unit – a position he was appointed to by Bill Clinton. Source: Besta Owner Research"
Are we playing "KevinBacon" with Clinton now? That should clear up signal to noise ratio
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Old 2nd December 2016, 07:50 AM   #351
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Originally Posted by Jrrarglblarg View Post
Are we playing "KevinBacon" with Clinton now? That should clear up signal to noise ratio
See, Clinton talked to someone once and that person knows another who has eaten pizza at some point in their lives. Not pizza at this specific restaurant, mind you.
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Old 2nd December 2016, 08:20 AM   #352
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And they happen to have a glyph somewhere that looks kind like something on this big list of vague descriptions we can Texas Sharpshooter. Nevermind all the false positives everywhere else.
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Well, you can't spell 'John David Podesta' without 'avid pedo'.
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Old 2nd December 2016, 09:12 AM   #354
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A good BBC piece on this nonsensical manufactroversy and the pathetic idiots who started it and continue to cling to it.
The saga of 'Pizzagate': The fake story that shows how conspiracy theories spread
Oh great, considering the BBC´s impeccable record of investigating paedophiles...
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Oh great, considering the BBC´s impeccable record of investigating paedophiles...
Most probably miles better than the track record of all people believing that CT.
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Old 2nd December 2016, 10:15 AM   #356
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See, Clinton talked to someone once and that person knows another who has eaten pizza at some point in their lives. Not pizza at this specific restaurant, mind you.
The connections are tenuous, but there's no need to exaggerate, the owner of Comet pizza tweeted a picture from inside Podsta's house, apart from the fundraising events etc., so it's not crazy to think they know each other quite well. And Podesta is very close to the Clintons.

Just setting the record straight...
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Originally Posted by Abooga View Post
The connections are tenuous, but there's no need to exaggerate, the owner of Comet pizza tweeted a picture from inside Podsta's house, apart from the fundraising events etc., so it's not crazy to think they know each other quite well. And Podesta is very close to the Clintons.
Yeah, thanks for leaving out your mention of the accusations of child trafficking against them.

But you are totally not supporting those accusations!
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Just setting the record straight...
To set it straighter, pizzagate was pulled from the festering butt of 4chan. Apart from an eye roll and a head shake It hardly deserves another thought.
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Oh great, considering the BBC´s impeccable record of investigating paedophiles...
As compared to the bastion of investigative integrity 4Chan? A place where child abuse images were distributed....
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As compared to the bastion of investigative integrity 4Chan? A place where child abuse images were distributed....
Yes 4chan, and the various similar offshoot boards started by its community, are in all honesty the worst possible sources for an expose' on child abuse.
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