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That's America interfering with Venezuela elections. They did the same thing with Allende in Chile years ago. Just because it's a bad bus driver government in their dark minds gives them the right to overthrow democracy.
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You see what money do. Obama, Trump, Bush and other rich business man criminals from Venezuela ruin this country and now they want to take over from the socialist government to steal the ressources and people over there.
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So let me get this straight:
This guy announces that he is now the new President of my country.... all of this while Maduro is still President.... And my people actually treat this as if this was somehow official?? People posting on social media celebrating "our new President!! Finally! It's over!!" It's because of how dumb and delusional people are, that the country is the way it is. I'm no fan of Maduro at all, but even if Maduro is out, the problems and issues that my Country has go deep deep down. It's not something that is solved by putting another guy on charge. But regardless, I very much doubt that Maduro is simply gonna get up and say "Oh okay, you claimed this seat? Well.... fair enough, then I suppose you're President now". In fact, he's reacting pretty much the way you'd expect. There's an arrest order against Guaidó that Tarek William Saab put out. Meanwhile, people actually think that Trump cares about them. That this "allegiance" is not just a political move out of convenience. My country really is filled with useless morons on both sides of the political spectrum. |
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I was serious when I wrote that Trump did it for the LULz - he gives the fanatics he keeps close to him just enough rope to hang themselves. Remember he is destroying the Empire to make USAmerica great again. This move is so dumb after all that from Captain America to non-fanatical Venezuelan exiles nobody here is defending it. It is literally as if Merkel would recognize @AOC as interim president of the USA. |
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Since yesterday the US has a new special envoy for all things Venezuela. You'll never guess who that is ... *drumroll* ...
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Yes, the whole world should adopt the just and fair system of capitalism where they don't let you into fancier restaurants because you are poor and unable to pay the bill and you are denied loans for the same reason! Even though the best Black Mirror episodes (Wikipedia) tend to be the ones that don't go very far beyond what is already technologically possible, they won't make one where people are denied access to everything that capitalism has to offer simply because they don't have the money to pay for it. And it's not because these conditions aren't horrible and offer dramatic conflicts, it's because they are reality and therefore obviously not science fiction. Dystopias stop being dystopian when they're real: Hunger and poverty in the USA (Wikipedia). But if somebody with money is denied access to "fancier restaurants", then and only then the time has come to make comparisons with Hitler's "blitzkrieg on Guernica"!!! |
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Business men in Venezuela and US ruin the country to get rid of the socialist government who wanted help poor and instruct the people. Then shall we give the govern of the country to the people who ruin the country or keep it. Obama is an hypocrite, he goes in the world giving conference about human right making a lot of money but he participates himself to the ruin of this country.
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This new youtube vide from Vox is very interesting:
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I wonder why nobody ever describes the tax cuts in the USA as, "By cutting taxes for the extremely rich, Trump has also rigged the economy to keep himself in power ..." Why are measures to benefit the poor always the only thing described as dubious and illegitimate? This video from Democracy now! Is also interesting: How Washington’s Devastating “Economic Blockade” of Venezuela Helped Pave the Way for Coup Attempt. Pay attention to what Steve Ellner, editor of Latin America’s Radical Left (Amazon), says about the current situation:
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The governments who support the auto-proclaimed dictator of Venezuela are all right wings governments at the solde of billionaires who are in a hurry to appropriate the ressources of Venezuela. Mexico is for the government Maduro.
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No one really wants Venezuelan resources right now. Mostly they just have oil and it's not particularly valuable at the moment.
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And no business wants to invest out of fear whatever they invest is just going to seized by the government. Russia, for all it's posturing, does not have the cash to be a sugar daddy the way the USSR was for fellow Marxist gpvernments, and China does not do subsidies. ( For a Communist Country China is very Captitalistic about things like avoiding bad investments).
In other words, Venenzuela is really screwed. |
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Ignoring for a second this is a distinction without a difference....
Has the government reported false vote totals for maduro, or are those the correct numbers just affected by all the other behaviour? |
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The sheer number of people leaving Venezuela and -possibly- joining the migration to the US is a real worry for the orangutan.
You might think that he would be taking small inexpensive steps to help stabilize the Maduro regime. Instead he taunts and twits uselessly as things get worse. Mexico is just relieved the mass extraction of the Gulf pozo by Venezuela has slowed so PEMEX has half a chance to place some deep water oil wells before it's all gone. Also relative stability under a monster is better than civil war. If only by a little. |
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All US wants is to steal the ressources of Venezuela punto.
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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I guess for some people authoritarian, repressive, and incompetent regimes are fine as long as they are left wing authoritarian, repressive, and incompetent regimes.
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If left and right are defined by a USA standard then a larger percentage of governments worldwide are left leaning.
It has been like this a long time. It's not really all that bad until repression and internal corruption go too far. |
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I agree that Venezuela's problems are primarily caused by incompetence, but the people excusing this incompetence and blaming Venezuela's problems on everyone except its government are predominantly left-wingers.
And by left-wingers I mean people far enough to the left as to be socialists. |
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Actually there is a complot of the Lima group , some European countries and US to steal the ressources of Venezuela, we'll know the true when all these western dictators will be gone in hell after 50 years as the same of what happened in Chili.
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Any country in meltdown politically and economically has few resources most other countries would want.
The US and Venezuela both pull crude from the same pozo under the Gulf of Mexico. They can get your oil without messing with Maduro at all. What else can be taken? Right now the biggest export is hungry people. With a much reduced labor force recovery becomes far more difficult. The time to fix it is long past a starting point. |
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What resources? Crappy crude oil that is very expensive to process to even be usable? There's nothing anybody needs from self-inflicted hell hole called Venezuela that's second Zimbabwe. Had it been in Africa or some other forgotten corner of Earth, nobody would care. (Beyond some token crap)
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Maduro is trying to keep his opponent from leaving the country.
Yeah, that is the way a democratic government operates. I repeat, Maduro is no different then any other Latin America "El Presedente" type dictator except for his left wing mutilated Marxist rhetoric. |
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Could you tell to your dictator Trump that the election of a new leader in Venezuela shall not be done when the people are famished by the leaders who want to replace the guy elected but when people have a lot of food.
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