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21st March 2023, 10:48 PM | #1 |
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Does this look like a legit paper?
Yet another health guru in hawaii, (disclaimer that seems to be) telling people to ditch real medicine for things like auto immune diseases in hawaii
Hawaii is a place where there was a long history of left wing anti vaxxers and anti "gmo" types, often seeking faith healing instead of things like diabetes, and now, we have the right wing anti-vaxxers piled on top, its a really sad state of affairs given how many morbidly obese and diabetic people there are. We have so many MLM "health" scammers here truly killing people, and now I see this one making some news. Not sure what to think. She has made the standard types of statements that quackmasters do, but who knows https://ijdrp.org/index.php/ijdrp/article/view/47 |
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21st March 2023, 11:12 PM | #2 |
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Anti-vaxxers are not associated with specific political leanings. AV nuttery has always been across a broad political spectrum. You could never point at an AV nutter and say "therefore left wing" or "therefore right wing". It is more associated with kookiness than anything. Ditto for GMO nuttery.
This particular paper seems to be simply an advert for a whole foods vegan diet supervised by this particular "medical firm". They have got a picture of some smiling guy in a white coat and carrying a stethoscope - he must surely be a doctor or a scientist or something, and knows all about this, yeah? A vegan or vegetarian diet is hardly controversial or particularly unhealthy. But if you want that, you can organise for yourself if you just put some effort into it. Or you can pay this crowd to send you boxes of readily-available vegetables at an exorbitant price. Up to you! |
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21st March 2023, 11:50 PM | #3 |
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22nd March 2023, 02:47 AM | #4 |
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We have left wing anti-vaxxers, we have right wing anti-vaxxers, we have centrist anti-vaxxers and we have apolitical anti-vaxxers. They may have different reasons for being anti-vaxxers, but they are differences with no distinction.. anti-vaxxers are all certifiable idiots.
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22nd March 2023, 02:54 AM | #5 |
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22nd March 2023, 04:40 AM | #6 |
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22nd March 2023, 09:22 AM | #7 |
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22nd March 2023, 09:26 AM | #8 |
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This seems like a silly padantic debate. Left wingers have traditionally been anti-vax. Right wingers are anti-COVID vax. But the whole "vaccines cause autism" was pushed heavily by left leaning hollywood types. Let's be honest here.
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22nd March 2023, 12:17 PM | #10 |
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Most anti vaxx in history has come from conservative groups, particularly the religious.
https://historyofvaccines.org/vaccin...tion-movements |
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22nd March 2023, 03:32 PM | #11 |
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Yes, but is he a real doctor?
P.S. Real Doctors are sometimes quacks.. |
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22nd March 2023, 03:59 PM | #12 |
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Even if you could prove these "hollywood types" voted democrat it wouldn't make it a left wing phenomenon. To my knowledge it's never enjoyed any mainstream popularity in the democratic party.
Conversely here is a pre-pandemic article from 2019 detailing how anti-vax had already become a mainstream position in the Republican party due to broad support in both the Libertarian and Conservative Christian wings of the party. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...stream-1344955 |
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I'm sorry to disturb your religion, but in Hawaii, most of the anti science stuff has been solidly left. Great that that's the thing you guys focus on, but whatever. I'm more worried about the people this lady is likely to kill here
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22nd March 2023, 05:27 PM | #15 |
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Yes they are. Only person looking silly is someone denying facts for religious reasons
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It makes HUGE difference as one side has all the political and policy setting power. The left in hawaii actually made hawaiian food illegal because of their anti science beliefs So yeah you guys are wrong |
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22nd March 2023, 07:47 PM | #16 |
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Political party correlation with anti-vax sentiment has varied over the years and has generally increased in both parties in the last 2 decades:
Polls at this link show that in 2001, 6% of Republicans and 4% of Democrats believed vaccines were more dangerous than the disease. In 2015 this had shifted to 7% of Republicans and 9% of Democrats. In 2019 it had increased further and shifted toward the right with 13% of Republcans and 7% of Democrats. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...vaxx-movement/ In general Republicans were also the most vaccine hesitant in the early part of the pandemic before vaccines. However, Trump was strongly pushing his Operation Warp Speed and, in Sept.,Oct. was frequently stating that vaccines would be available before the election. This created increased uncertainty among Democrats about the future Covid-19 vaccine as outlined here:
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Eric Topol (an excellent covid-19 study source) with a few others started a major campaign to delay any vaccine efficacy data and approvals believing that Trumps frequent and strong endorsement, pre-election, would increase skepticisim. As a result the FDA updated, in early Oct., the requirement for EUA to require a median of 2 months of safety data regardless of high the efficacy was. This had the effect that no EUA could be applied for until after the election. Pfizer, in spite of earlier stating they would release interim efficacy data if the trials indicated the vaccine met one of several interim goals, did not until the week after the election and applied for the EUA a few weeks after that. There is obviously no doubt that Trump would have used the efficacly data to tout Operation Warp Speed had it come out before the election and taken credit for it even though it's funding didn't go into the Pfizzer development or trials. I sometimes wonder if Trump* had then been re-elected as a result, if the political polarity would be as lopsided as it is now. *Yuck. |
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22nd March 2023, 08:45 PM | #17 |
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Irrelevant
Nope, it makes no difference. Nope, There is some difficulty in justifiably assessing the precise correlation between the information you communicated and the facts, in so far as they can be determined and demonstrated, such that it causes epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than it can reasonably be expected to bear..... In other words, you lied.... you grossly misrepresented and distorted the truth. Hawaii did indeed ban some brands of Hawaiian type foods, not because of some imaginary anti-science stance, but because it is not made in Hawaii, and it uses protected Hawaiian trademarks. So nah, we are not wrong! |
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22nd March 2023, 10:58 PM | #18 |
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LOL. Do you know who you are talking to? Someone with actually zero religion. You got aggrieved so you straw-manned me. Nice going.
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23rd March 2023, 11:36 PM | #24 |
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Her lupus went into remission shortly after she started on a vegen diet. Maybe it was just coincidence, but the correct treatment when in remission is nothing.
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Agree! Seems to me, having a processed diet and getting overweight, as is so incredibly endemic in the US, is the cause of all sorts of maladies. And it is rather new to our species.
I see the median kids in a class now that would have been 'the FAT kid' back when I was in school. Sometimes half of a class i see in a photo is fatter than the fattest kid in my old school. Also being too protective to exposure of various viruses and bacteria is also an issue. So balance perhaps is required. Play in dirt and mud and oceans. Going Vegan is hard to maintain. I've had a few friends across the last 30 years pass out from lack of protein- it is bizarre! The ones that didnt, I often found had a unique definition of vegan which meant 'mostly vegan' or 'vegan when it is available' If you pass out from your diet, maybe add some fish. People seem to like strict rules for dietary change if they think it works.. If too vague they cannot follow. There has to be some faith in the regimen. And 100 days of it from what I recall. Anything less leaves no mark. |
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29th March 2023, 02:15 PM | #27 |
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Thank you! I'll look more into these as well and see what else of our health care system here is infested with it.
Hawaii is like if you gave Sedona a million people and the ability to completely control government agencies' policies, its terrifying when they latch onto the latest MLM bossbabe medical claims |
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29th March 2023, 02:16 PM | #28 |
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Looks like someone has seen our vegans!
That said, I have been sliding further and further to nearly pure vegan diet and really not missing anything except the money. We have a hospital here with food so good that people come to dine at it for its own sake. They have a real good vegan menu and the hospital itself is officially vegan, but does offer meat choices https://www.adventisthealth.org/cast...es/the-bistro/ |
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