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Old Yesterday, 03:17 PM   #161
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How much crack do you reckon a free school meal pot of yoghurt is worth?

Apparently we shouldn't give food to hungry kids because they might swap it for drugs.
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Old Yesterday, 10:22 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Mark Jenkinson Tory MP for Workington tweeted his reason for voting against feeding hungry kids.

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Here, @AngelaRayner is either being disingenuous or really hasn’t a clue what goes on in her constituency. I hope for the sake of her constituents it’s the former.
I know in my constituency that, as tiny as a minority it might be, food parcels are sold or traded for drugs.
And that’s parcels, not vouchers - which have greater monetary value.
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Better a thousand kids go hungry than someone trades a chicken sandwich for meth
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Old Today, 02:24 AM   #163
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The only reason the Tories haven't given free school meals to hungry children is that they haven't yet worked out a way of contracting it out to a private company without tender at vastly more than the going rate while getting kickbacks via political donations.
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Old Today, 02:46 AM   #164
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Amanda Milling Chairman of the Conservative party tweeted

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We’ve written to @Keir_Starmer after @AngelaRayner’s comment resulted in widespread abuse towards our MPs, staff and families.
Will Sir Keir take action against Labour MPs and party members who perpetrate abuse, and apologise for Rayner’s record of unparliamentary behaviour?
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Old Today, 02:58 AM   #165
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Amanda Milling Chairman of the Conservative party tweeted

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We’ve written to @Keir_Starmer after @AngelaRayner’s comment resulted in widespread abuse towards our MPs, staff and families.
Will Sir Keir take action against Labour MPs and party members who perpetrate abuse, and apologise for Rayner’s record of unparliamentary behaviour?
Good to see her laser like focus on the important aspect of the debate.
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Old Today, 03:35 AM   #166
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Amanda Milling claimed £60,000 in expenses last year and voted against free school meals.
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Old Today, 03:46 AM   #167
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Amanda Milling Chairman of the Conservative party tweeted

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We’ve written to @Keir_Starmer after @AngelaRayner’s comment resulted in widespread abuse towards our MPs, staff and families.
Will Sir Keir take action against Labour MPs and party members who perpetrate abuse, and apologise for Rayner’s record of unparliamentary behaviour?
I don't need any help from Angela Rayner to be abusive towards or about most Tory MPs, party members or party employees. And I took "scum" to be a descriptive rather than pejorative term.
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Old Today, 03:51 AM   #168
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Amanda Milling Chairman of the Conservative party tweeted

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We’ve written to @Keir_Starmer after @AngelaRayner’s comment resulted in widespread abuse towards our MPs, staff and families.
Will Sir Keir take action against Labour MPs and party members who perpetrate abuse, and apologise for Rayner’s record of unparliamentary behaviour?
If you read the letter there's this sentence in it:

"Sadly, this is not the first occasion in which the Honourable Member for Ashton-under-Lyme has used such language to describe Conservatives, nor the first time she has behaved with the standards expected of a Member of Parliament."

Given the number of privately educated Tory Mps, it would seem that private education is not money well spent. Either that or they agree with her.
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I get why people are unhappy about parents who live a chaotic lifestyle, such that they do not feed their children properly, but further preventing those children from getting sufficient food is just going to make the situation worse, not better.
Yes I've seen a couple of Tory MP's come out with the parents need to take responsibility for their actions line, like it's the kids fault to have bad parents.

But the things that sticks in my throat on this is that it's coming from a party that doesn't take responsibility for anything ever, led by a man where there's doubts about whether he knows how many kids he has.
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Originally Posted by Mid View Post
Yes I've seen a couple of Tory MP's come out with the parents need to take responsibility for their actions line, like it's the kids fault to have bad parents.

But the things that sticks in my throat on this is that it's coming from a party that doesn't take responsibility for anything ever, led by a man where there's doubts about whether he knows how many kids he has.
Not just that the amount needed to fund such a policy is so minuscule compared to the money the government is throwing around it beggars belief.

Hopefully this will bring home to people that “lending” your vote to the Tories always results in the same “I’m all right Jack”.
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Old Today, 04:59 AM   #171
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Selaine Saxby MP tweeted
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I am delighted our local businesses have bounced back so much after lockdown they are able to give away food for free, and very much hope they will not be seeking any further government support.
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Old Today, 05:28 AM   #172
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Selaine Saxby MP tweeted
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I am delighted our local businesses have bounced back so much after lockdown they are able to give away food for free, and very much hope they will not be seeking any further government support.
How utterly despicable

I guess it would never occur to her that businesses could want to help out people in desperate need even if they are "only" in moderate need.

This comment should be getting a lot more publicity.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Selaine Saxby MP tweeted
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I am delighted our local businesses have bounced back so much after lockdown they are able to give away food for free, and very much hope they will not be seeking any further government support.
She has since deleted the tweet and is snivelling and squirming with the usual 'quoted out of context' bollocks. What a cow.
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Old Today, 05:36 AM   #174
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She has since deleted the tweet and is snivelling and squirming with the usual 'quoted out of context' bollocks. What a cow.
How can you be quoted out of context in a tweet you wrote yourself ?

It's more pathetic not to have the courage to stick to your guns.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Amanda Milling Chairman of the Conservative party tweeted

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We’ve written to @Keir_Starmer after @AngelaRayner’s comment resulted in widespread abuse towards our MPs, staff and families.
Will Sir Keir take action against Labour MPs and party members who perpetrate abuse, and apologise for Rayner’s record of unparliamentary behaviour?

I wonder if she’s going to take action against members of her party who have been attacking “lefty human rights lawyers”.
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
How can you be quoted out of context in a tweet you wrote yourself ?

It's more pathetic not to have the courage to stick to your guns.
It's one of the usual cop-outs, along with 'I misspoke' and others. As long as the scumbags reply in some vaguely plausible way they think they're off the hook.
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Old Today, 06:52 AM   #177
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"Out of context" is the new Conservative MPs way of saying "I only expected it to be read by hateful people who agree with me ... not the vast majority of decent British people who won't put up with this level of inhumanity from their leaders."
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Boris Johnson & Matt Hancock tweeted its “fantastic” news 7,810 more doctors are now working in our NHS than a year ago.

Both “forget” to mention that figure includes thousands of medical students not yet qualified as doctors!
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
"Out of context" is the new Conservative MPs way of saying "I only expected it to be read by hateful people who agree with me ... not the vast majority of decent British people who won't put up with this level of inhumanity from their leaders."
With most of these claims of "I was quoted out of context" my usual question is "And exactly what would be the context in which what you said would be suitable?" See also Ben Bradley and that berk from Workington and their claims about food parcels etc being used to buy crack.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Boris Johnson & Matt Hancock tweeted its “fantastic” news 7,810 more doctors are now working in our NHS than a year ago.

Both “forget” to mention that figure includes thousands of medical students not yet qualified as doctors!
Even counting the likes of Nephew #2 (currently a medical student), does this make up for the number of medics lost since 2010? See also figures for nurses, psychologists, OTs, physios, and any other clinical discipline you care to mention.
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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...?ocid=msedgdhp

"Boris Johnson is facing growing condemnation for an “appalling” Tory alliance with neo-Nazi and anti-Muslim parties across Europe, as a Conservative peer reveals how he has refused to act.

The extraordinary pact sees the party’s MPs sitting alongside the “heirs of Mussolini” in Italy and an Estonian party that celebrates its wartime collaboration with Hitler, among other far-right groups in the Council of Europe.

Yet, Lord Balfe reveals, his repeated attempts to persuade the prime minister to take action have been rebuffed – as he was told it was going on “a long way away and no one understands it”.

Instead, the peer was kicked out of the European Conservatives Group for protesting to No 10 after the group “invited in” the far-right so-called Democratic Alliance, he said.

“It’s appalling,” Lord Balfe told The Independent, “this group contains virtually every video nasty in the book and we should not be mixed up with them.”

The best-known far-right parties in the coalition are the anti-immigrant Alternative for Germany and Italy’s Northern League, but others are even more extreme.

The Brothers of Italy was born out of the country’s fascist movement, while the first leader of the Freedom Party of Austria – once headed by the notorious Jorg Haider – was a Nazi minister and SS officer.

Lord Balfe said he has seen the Sweden Democrats “walk around Stockholm with swastikas”, while Bulgaria’s United Patriots “were elected on the basis that there were too many mosques”.

The Conservative People’s Party of Estonia attends an annual march to commemorate the Estonian Legion – a unit of the Waffen-SS during the Second World War."
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