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So. a creationist propaganda video is the reason you believe naturalism to be the best reason for our existence?
Do you realize how OT your arguments are? Did you even look at the fossil history of cetaceans? Do you plan to address your dishonestly mined quote of Dr. Sagan's words? |
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25th February 2013, 08:23 PM | #5210 |
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What's the best argument for UHC? This argument against UHC. "Perhaps one reason per capita GDP is lower in UHC countries is because they've tried to prevent this important function [bankrupting the sick] and thus carry forward considerable economic dead wood?"-BeAChooser |
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What's the best argument for UHC? This argument against UHC. "Perhaps one reason per capita GDP is lower in UHC countries is because they've tried to prevent this important function [bankrupting the sick] and thus carry forward considerable economic dead wood?"-BeAChooser |
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25th February 2013, 08:34 PM | #5213 |
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Sure, here's one. The only thing nature demonstates is the reality of nature. There is no god involved.
The bible says this: "I tell you the truth, anyone who believes in me will do the same works I have done, and even greater works, because I am going to be with the Father. John 14:12 Will you please demonstrate the power of your belief and faith. Will you please walk on water and then heal the nearest Childrens Cancer Ward. Then you will have done something jesus did, as well as something greater. On the evidence of your demonstration, I will be happy to believe in god. |
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After looking through the thread, Thanks to GIBHOR I got BINGO! |
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We are learning MORE about DNA and cells by asking:
"How can these develop out of purely natural causes, and how can they appear to look convincingly like 'codified information', even though they are not?" Than we do by claiming: "DNA is codified information, and God's signature is in every cell." That second claim is useless for learning anything about the subjects of DNA, cells, and even God. Utterly useless. The first claim allows us to discover more about cells: how they work, how they form, etc. And DNA: How it can form and how transforms over time, etc. And, perhaps about God: What is it in our cognitive abilities that biases us towards assuming natural processes must come from a God? Isn't it the job of explanations to actually...... explain things?! |
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25th February 2013, 10:57 PM | #5224 |
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Ever looked for them? How many museums of natural history have you visited. It's not like there's some conspiracy to hide these things.
Here is Ken Miller explaining the evolution of whales. This is just one type of animal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9a-lFn4hqY There's great stuff out there on the evolution of just about every other type of animal out there. Horses and well represented as are humans. |
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The God described in the OT doesn't hide. He floods world, smites cities, parts oceans, and appears and speaks to people in numerous forms, as a burning bush, a voice shouting commands from mountains, and even in person. The God described in the NT (assuming we mean Jesus) doesn't hide. He heals the sick, walks on water, turns water into wine, preaches to his followers and brings the dead back to life. But in real life, as observed in modern times, God does none of these things, and leaves not a shred of verifiable evidence of his existence. We have no reason to think the Bible is much more than a collection of ancient fairy tales. |
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then these testimonies of miracles must be all a invented lie :
http://www.precious-testimonies.com/...-j/heindex.htm http://www.ainglkiss.com/miracles/mir.htm http://www.cbn.com/700club/features/amazing/ google shows 7.550.000 results on testimonies of miracles from god |
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26th February 2013, 03:42 AM | #5238 |
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Every fossil is a transitional fossil, as has been explained to you numerous times. There's also punctuated equilibrium, which has also been explained to you numerous times.
Or people fooling themselves because they vastly underestimate how likely coincidences are to occur, commit the post hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacy, etc etc. A pretty good description of what actually happens over millions of years, except for the use of the word 'fantastic'. There's nothing fantastic about it, it's absolutely inevitable. Written messages do not reproduce themselves, nor do watches or any of the other examples usually used in this argument from incredulity. For anything which doesn't reproduce there are only two possible explanations: either it was deliberately made by a conscious entity, or it's the result of pure chance. For a living thing which can reproduce itself there are three possible explanations: either it was deliberately made by a conscious entity, or it's the result of pure chance, or it's the result of millions of years of evolution by natural selection, the last being by far the most reasonable and likely explanation. |
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26th February 2013, 03:47 AM | #5239 |
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Why do you believe naturalism to be the best explanation for our existence ?
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Technically, yes. Every fossil is a transitional form. There is no contradiction.
Probably most of them are the product of self-deception, delusion/hallucination, confirmation bias, exaggeration, ect. Looking at a few of them, I'm not convinced. How many of these claims can be verified as being of supernatural origins? Remember too, that there are also huge numbers of anecdotal claims about alien abduction, psychic abilities, and all kinds of healing powers from nonsensical methods such as reiki or homeopathy. Why should treat the religious claims as being any more believable than these? For example: http://www.ainglkiss.com/miracles/jesus.html
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How do we know he isn't just making up this story? How do we know he wasn't suffering hallucinations? There's no way for us to tell it was real. If Jesus appeared to him, why not to all? Could he not appear to everyone, all at the same time? You believe he one proved himself, performing miracles for all to see. Why not in modern times? He could convince us all. The two-thirds of humanity who do not believe could know he exists, and therefore be able to choose to accept him into their hearts if they wished. A choice that cannot be made by those who do not believe he exists. He could save billions of souls from eternal torment. Why would he not do this? |
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