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3rd March 2013, 07:41 AM | #5641 |
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...but the inconsistencies of the vengeful, tantrum-throwing, incompetent, deceitful, spoiled-brat 'god' of the bible are one set of very good reasons to reject 'god'-ism entirely; in fact, some people embrace methodological naturalism precisely because the representatives of what is superstitiously supposed to be the "supernatural" alternative are so repugnant...
Which makes discussion of the inconsistencies of a 'god', or any 'gods' directly topical, Much more than, say, dishonestly quote-mined claims about cosmology. |
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3rd March 2013, 07:54 AM | #5643 |
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Keep on pretending that what you dishonestly set up as "atheism" is a real thing. There is no atheist creed, there is no atheist agenda. Some atheists may, in fact, revel in what you would consider immorality...as do some christians, and some members of other 'god'-isms. You hae demonstrated that the "moral code" you derive from the bible is situational. Is the fact that you apparently believe 'god'-ists get to play by different rules than you want to apply to others the reason you find naturalism to be the best explanation for out existence?
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3rd March 2013, 07:59 AM | #5645 |
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...Alright. Whoever you picked this attempt at an argument off of really, really is a moron. While it's true that evolution has no goals, in exactly the same way that gravity has no "goals," trying to say that therefore there is no reason to create successive generations is much like trying to make a point out of gravity having no reason for gravity to act on you, right now.
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what has the weather to do with evolution ?
but, since you named it : wherever you look around, there is evidence of design : http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9403/evidence.html
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Gibhor can you grasp on any intellectual level the size and scope of the universe?
Right now we know that they are at least between 10 sextillion and 1 septillion stars in the known, observable universe. Do you have any idea, any grasping of just how large that number is? If even only a teeny, tiny, fractional, microscopic percentage of a percent of those stars have planets, the sample size of planets is massive beyond any measure. The fact that out of those countless, countless numbers of planets one hit the sweat spot is not evidence of design. So basically what you are arguing is that your God, your all powerful, all knowing, all encompassing God has a know success rate of 1 in 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. |
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3rd March 2013, 08:46 AM | #5658 |
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Deuteronomy 22. This chapter is but one place in the Bible that makes it clear that women are property and that they can be punished with death simply for having sex.
You claimed that the morality of this practice was context dependent. Please, explain the context that makes it morally good to kill women for having sex with someone of their own choosing. |
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3rd March 2013, 09:30 AM | #5666 |
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Gravity acts without consciously choosing to do so. Anything with non-zero rest mass in a gravitational field must fall.
Natural selection acts without consciously choosing to do so. Anything which produces multiple non-identical offspring in an environment where resources are finite must evolve. |
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Gee if only there were some...physical force in the universe that dictated how the "stuff" in it works... I dunno some kinda "chemistry" or something or other...
Every coin flip comparison used to try illustrating how physical particles behave with regards to other physical particles (excluding QM to placate those physicists...even though using probability approaches to QM isn't a coin flip unless you assume no interaction...) is wrong DOC and you already know that. You've been told it before. If intellectual bankruptcy had a monetary consequence you wouldn't have a coin to flip -.- |
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That's not evidence for design, that's puddle thinking. You cannot demonstrate that it was a "garden with a gardener" at all. I can just say that it's not a garden with a gardener but a forest left alone. Stuff tends to live fine there too and the ones who didn't don't demonstrate that because they aren't there.
Your anthropocentric reasoning is sickeningly stupid.
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3rd March 2013, 11:34 AM | #5672 |
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1. Why do you think the vacuum energy is a "BIG if"? Your own quote from Tippler and Barrow is accepting that the vacuum energy exists. Are you disagreeing with your own quotes now? 2. How do you think the BB actually created it’s own energy? Do you have a mechanism for that? Any maths model to support it? |
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That is a rather ignorant description of the situation. It sounds impressive, but is meaningless.
1.) reactions that are aided by a catalyst can actually favor one chiral organization over another. Hence the claim that "they occur equally in nature" is only true if we expect solution chemistry to develop aminoacids. Since we don't, not only is that claim wrong, it is foolishly wrong. 2.) Amino acids that are not all L chiral. there are a number of examples where the D form is actually used. Look up vancomicin antimicrobial activity to understand this. |
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I don't know where you live, but in the UK we have laws against things like that. Those laws cover a huge range of unacceptable behaviour, inc. cruelty to animals, rape, all sorts violence, etc. Where do you think those laws came from? Those laws were made by committees of men and women in government and in the courts, who have decided that all sorts of practices like that are unacceptable in a civilised society. They can only maintain those laws with the democratic agreement of the people of the nation. Point is - those laws and those standards have all been set and maintained by ordinary men & women. No god's actually made or enforced any of those laws ... ... the moral aspects of all those laws, and the moral aspects of public behaviour which adheres to those laws, all comes from the people of the country themselves. As a religious person you might only act in a moral way out of fear of your God, but the rest of us act morally because we care about a fair and honest society, and we obey the laws. I’ve just been listening on the BBC news about Cardinal Keith O’Brien who has just apparently admitted that his sexual conduct quote “has at times fallen beneath the standards expected of me”. O’Brien was until last week one of the UK’s most senior Christian leaders. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21572564 That does seem like yet another case of bad moral standards amongst those who preach that they have received the highest moral standards direct from God. |
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As RoboTimbo put it...
Some of the statements there reveal a pattern...
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If he's getting his understanding of evolution from absurd and nonsensical videos made by people who don't understand evolution, of course he's going to think it's stupid.
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But yes, it slowly "evolved into the minds of animals and bugs and other creatures". These creatures would have evolved to be better suited to living in nests/hives/ect instead of without them as their ability to build them improved.
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What? He doesn't even know the difference between evolution and cosmology. I read through a fair bit more, but it was such unmitigated bullcarp there was no point reading the whole thing. |
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I could quibble with a couple minor specifics, but my time is very limited right now, so I'll simply say thank you, Pixel42.
And thank you, Lowpro. This is, in short, just another case where GIBHOR did not apply any quality filters to the arguments that he's trying to use. GIBHOR, once again, I'm going to ask you to do something completely necessary for honest discussion. Please, at least try to UNDERSTAND what you're talking about. You DON'T have to accept it to be the case, but arguing without understanding is a sure was to just end up making both yourself and your position look foolish and vacuous. |
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Why do you believe naturalism to be the best explanation for our existence ?
GIBHOR,
Your mind seems to be stuck to the question WHO? Until you try to forget it, the answers to HOW will continue to make no sense to you. |
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