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26th April 2013, 09:00 AM | #7321 |
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26th April 2013, 09:10 AM | #7324 |
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Does mysticism make any predictions about the unknown?
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26th April 2013, 09:27 AM | #7327 |
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That is exactly the pint I am making, you are assuming things and asserting that preconception have some sort of automatic validity.
Which is why I have said that you really seem to hold those preconceptions and perhaps they need to be examined. In the case in point, assumptions about the exterior of the universe, if such a thing exists may not be drawn from the behaviors inside the universe, without some huge suppositions and caveats.
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26th April 2013, 05:47 PM | #7328 |
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No predictions. No explanations. No cures.
Secrets... Apparently, mysticism is about having secret knowledge of things beyond the remit of science. That would be secret knowledge of things that do not interact in any way with the universe... I wonder if it's as useful as it sounds? I can see why they keep it secret. |
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27th April 2013, 12:29 AM | #7332 |
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27th April 2013, 05:42 AM | #7342 |
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Oh, it's a big, heavy load of something, alright.
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27th April 2013, 06:23 AM | #7343 |
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I can tell you exactly the outcomes of mystical experience is normal human everyday terms that have rational foundations. It is not so hard to do, all it takes is looking at it without the exaggeration. I started to write a spirituality book for sceptics, but have lost the drive to write, due to anti depressants and class work.
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27th April 2013, 06:26 AM | #7344 |
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I can prove every one of my stated six principals.
Now the unstated ones which I was still working on: -'some take the flashlight of enlightenment and stare into it' -'the world contains moments of joy and terror, kindness and abuse' -'imagination is amazing' -'some connections are not valid perceptions' are not as well simplified by me. |
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27th April 2013, 06:32 AM | #7345 |
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First of all, my apologies for the delayed response. Life happens.
It's certainly possible that there's some misunderstanding here. It's also worth pointing out that there are a number of things that we weren't actually in disagreement about that you seemed to think we were in disagreement about, disregarding forays into sniping. Seriously? No, at this point, I don't feel like rummaging through the previous pages of discussion to quote you. Of course, we could point to part of this as one of the many lesser examples of the previously cited thing. "You cannot ever erase them." In short, discussing 'whether you can create nothing from something.' I'm fairly certain that there are better examples, but I don't consider it worth the effort to find them. And I wasn't disputing anything particularly relevant to this. I simply found the HUP, given the explanations given and found, to not be as relevant to the question as more basic answers. EDIT: Just to be clear on a related matter, I'm only disputing the relevance of the HUP. I am in agreement with the relevance of a number of the other points that you've presented with regards to the question(s) that were being dealt with. |
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Much of what you say is ridiculed, so it's unlikely that your decision to remain silent regarding the mystical practice hinges on the notion that the explanation will be ridiculed. Rather than silence your critics with demonstrable truths or unassailable logic, you wrap yourself in secrecy and hide your practices. You know who else did that? That's right: Hitler! Nyuk, nyuk... Sorry. My inner seventh grader got the best of me there for a minute.
In any event, you involve yourself in obtaining knowledge that can, in principle, have absolutely no impact on the universe, so it's unlikely that you're concerned about wasting time. It's much more likely that any explanation put forth would be a steaming pile of vacuousness. Secret knowledge of the unknowable... You seem like a bright guy. Why do you cling to such tripe? |
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29th April 2013, 01:07 AM | #7356 |
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I was summarizing the role of philosophy, ie the study of what we can say and what we can't say (amongst other things).
I used the phrase "a mental process of thinking" to refer to the process in which data is accessed, considered and retained, or used in some way, by the mind of the scientist. |
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Your claim is that "mystical practice" is merely a philosophical position and has no relation to objective reality? In that case, gentlehorse's description of it as being concerned with "[...]things that do not interact in any way with the universe[...]" is accurate, rather than inaccurate, as you claimed.
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