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Old 25th August 2017, 05:55 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Has anyone explained what, exactly, Gorka did in the White House beside TV hits? Was his role just to say stupid things that stroke President Goldfish's ego?
Pretty much what you said.
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Old 25th August 2017, 06:17 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
Has anyone explained what, exactly, Gorka did in the White House beside TV hits? Was his role just to say stupid things that stroke President Goldfish's ego?
Hard to say. He was supposed to be a counter terrorism advisor but it doesn't seem like he got invited to those meetings after McMaster came in. I suspect that he and Bannon were in their own little, private cabinet while the grown-ups met elsewhere.
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Old 25th August 2017, 06:48 PM   #203
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The media has got to come up with a catchy name for the current events, like "The Summer Scourge". (OK, not so catchy).
OK, considering the events of this Friday evening, how about "Hairmageddon"?
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Old 25th August 2017, 08:11 PM   #204
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Gorka might proved some comic relief in an otherwise somber evening.White House is saying that Gorka did NOT resign, but was involuntarily removed but Gorka is insisting that he resigned. Classic "You Can't Fire Me, I Quit!". And for the first time, I actually believe the White House......
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
The media has got to come up with a catchy name for the current events, like "The Summer Scourge". (OK, not so catchy).
"Game of Throwns."
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I'm going back to Kushner. He's the only person present at the meeting where collusion with the Russians began still in the administration. That will make it too hot for Jared once we refocus on Russia.
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Old 26th August 2017, 09:57 AM   #207
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
I'm going back to Kushner. He's the only person present at the meeting where collusion with the Russians began still in the administration. That will make it too hot for Jared once we refocus on Russia.
Except he's family. Unless Ivanka dumps him he's safe.

How about Sarah Huckabee? Not much speculation about her, compared to her predecessor.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Except he's family. Unless Ivanka dumps him he's safe.

How about Sarah Huckabee? Not much speculation about her, compared to her predecessor.

She keeps her head down. Doesn't contradict the Donald, and isn't too flamboyant.

She'll leave when she gets tired of the public ridicule, but doesn't seem to be showing any signs of that yet.
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Old 26th August 2017, 11:42 AM   #209
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
I'm going back to Kushner. He's the only person present at the meeting where collusion with the Russians began still in the administration. That will make it too hot for Jared once we refocus on Russia.
Does Kushner even hold an official White House permanent postion?

I actually put Cohn high on the list of people who might just quite because they have had enough of Donald Trump.
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
DAMN IT ALL
Can you please make a prediction that Trump will be next, and then change it?

Million dollar challenge and all that.
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Old 26th August 2017, 02:58 PM   #211
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Does Kushner even hold an official White House permanent postion?

I actually put Cohn high on the list of people who might just quite because they have had enough of Donald Trump.
My recollection is that Kushner does but Ivanka actually doesn't, because of nepotism laws passed after JFK appointed his brother AG. Not sure about that however.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
My recollection is that Kushner does but Ivanka actually doesn't, because of nepotism laws passed after JFK appointed his brother AG. Not sure about that however.

Jarrod's title is Senior Advisor to the President. He is appointed by Trump, and takes no salary (so far).

Ivanka's title is Advisor to the President. She is appointed by Trump and takes no salary (so far).

Aside from the implication of rank suggested by the use of "Senior" in their titles there is no functional administrative difference between the two. A 1978 statute has been seen by some (Kushner's lawyers among them, not surprisingly) as clearly superseding the 1967 law provoked by Bobby Kennedy's appointment, but even that may not have had any relevance.

Here's some discussion of the question.
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Ironically, Bill Clinton's appointment of Hillary to spearhead healthcare reform in his administration might prove beneficial to Kushner's case. Two federal judges ruled in favor of Clinton's nomination, reasoning that antinepotism laws do not include "a White House special assistant." Additionally, their ruling emphasized that the antinepotism law would only apply to paid positions.






Kushner's lawyer, former Bill Clinton Attorney General Jamie Gorelick, has stressed that he would not be breaking the antinepotism law, according to The Washington Post. Gorelick cited another federal law, passed in 1978, that gave the president permission to hire staffers "without regard" to personnel laws.
The WaPo article they cite is worth a peek, too.

So, no technical difference between Kushner's job and Ivanka's, really. Which one Trump actually thinks of as the "senior" of the two is anybody's guess. In a toe-to-toe disagreement between them I'd put my money on Trump listening to Ivanka first ... if he was to listen to either of them, that is.
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Old 26th August 2017, 03:50 PM   #213
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Can you please make a prediction that Trump will be next, and then change it?
Putting my chips on teh Donald.
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It's hard to decide who's left because the turnover is so fast I've lost track of who is actually left.
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Old 27th August 2017, 12:05 AM   #215
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Putting my chips on teh Donald.
It has to be worth a try

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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
My recollection is that Kushner does but Ivanka actually doesn't, because of nepotism laws passed after JFK appointed his brother AG. Not sure about that however.
Apparetnly the nepotism law does not apply to unpaid positions.
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Old 27th August 2017, 01:48 PM   #217
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Apparetnly the nepotism law does not apply to unpaid positions.
Yeah, that's more or less what I was trying to say. Kushner is paid staff; Ivanka isn't and can't be.

It's actually a bit worrisome to me that the (relatively speaking) grownups are gaining the upper hand and the loons like Bannon and Gorka are out.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Yeah, that's more or less what I was trying to say. Kushner is paid staff; Ivanka isn't and can't be.

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How much is Kushner being paid as Senior Advisor to the President?

This might help;

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Donald Trump's White House is stocked with 25 staffers who hold the title of "assistant to the president," according to a disclosure released Friday, which also revealed that nearly two dozen aides all earn an annual salary of roughly $180,000.


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Only three staffers — first daughter and adviser Ivanka Trump, son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner and intergovernmental and technology aide Reed Cordish — take home no pay from taxpayers, according to the disclosure.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Does Kushner even hold an official White House permanent postion?

I actually put Cohn high on the list of people who might just quite because they have had enough of Donald Trump.
He's a senior advisor though I don't think he has a formal portfolio.

Cohn might be a good choice too. He is on the outs for his loud dinner conversation complaining about his boss and his comments about The Hair's pro Nazi stance.
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I'm going back to Kushner. He's the only person present at the meeting where collusion with the Russians began still in the administration. That will make it too hot for Jared once we refocus on Russia.
He will be pardoned if it looks like any charges are coming.
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A bit distant from the top staff in the White House but yet another sacrifice to lubricate the wheels of the bus. Gigicos, Trump's long time event organizer:

http://theweek.com/speedreads/721390...vent-organizer

I don't know how reliable this news source is, but according to the site the size of the crowds in Phoenix didn't match Trump's ego (despite Trump playing up the size of the crowd during the event and chastising the TV news for not showing how huge it was). So someone had to take the blame. RIP Gigicos...
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Can you please make a prediction that Trump will be next, and then change it?

Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Putting my chips on teh Donald.

Changing my bet to the frightful Rex T.
https://www.axios.com/scoop-trump-fr...478123564.html
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
Changing my bet to the frightful Rex T.
https://www.axios.com/scoop-trump-fr...478123564.html
I think Rex will hang on for a while but only because it will be hard to get anyone qualified who wants the job and could survive confirmation hearings.
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I think Rex will hang on for a while but only because it will be hard to get anyone qualified who wants the job and could survive confirmation hearings.
My bold. What makes you think Tillerson was qualified? Other than by his love of Russia?
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My bold. What makes you think Tillerson was qualified? Other than by his love of Russia?
Nothing. Kelly will push for an establishment diplomat or former law maker who had a foreign policy portfolio to slow our decline abroad and stop the brain drain from Foggy Bottom. The person who can do that won't work for Trump.

So, Rex just stays in the dog house with Sessions to avoid a long gap in a high profile post.
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Rex is doing a bang up job dismantling the State Department so he won't be going anywhere for a while.

It's not easy finding cabinets secretaries who want to destroy their own department. It's a short list and most of them have already been appointed.
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Mattis it is?
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Mattis it is?
No, he'll stage a military coup first.
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He just told trump to pound sand on the transgender ban.

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I think Rex will hang on for a while but only because it will be hard to get anyone qualified who wants the job and could survive confirmation hearings.
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My bold. What makes you think Tillerson was qualified? Other than by his love of Russia?

Since when has Trump ever worried about whether or not on of his nominees is qualified for the job?

Hell, he doesn't even bother nominating anyone at all most of the time.

He don't need no steenkin' State Department.
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Since when has Trump ever worried about whether or not on of his nominees is qualified for the job?

Hell, he doesn't even bother nominating anyone at all most of the time.

He don't need no steenkin' State Department.
There are more than three Republican senators waiting in the tall grass for Trump. He's limited by who he can past confirmation hearings. Three defections and his nominee fails and the VP casting a tie winning vote will still be a defeat.
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A bit distant from the top staff in the White House but yet another sacrifice to lubricate the wheels of the bus. Gigicos, Trump's long time event organizer:

http://theweek.com/speedreads/721390...vent-organizer

I don't know how reliable this news source is, but according to the site the size of the crowds in Phoenix didn't match Trump's ego (despite Trump playing up the size of the crowd during the event and chastising the TV news for not showing how huge it was). So someone had to take the blame. RIP Gigicos...
Not sure what the poor guy did to earn Trump's ire, but reportedly he was angry that the crowd wasn't big enough.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/a...phoenix-speech

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Trump Punishes Longtime Aide After Angry Phoenix Speech, Sources Say

Donald Trump was in a bad mood before he emerged for a confrontational speech in Arizona last week.

TV and social media coverage showed that the site of his campaign rally, the Phoenix Convention Center, was less than full. Backstage, waiting in a room with a television monitor, Trump was displeased, one person familiar with the incident said: TV optics and crowd sizes are extremely important to the president.

As his surrogates warmed up the audience, the expanse of shiny concrete eventually filled in with cheering Trump fans. But it was too late for a longtime Trump aide, George Gigicos, the former White House director of advance who had organized the event as a contractor to the Republican National Committee. Trump later had his top security aide, Keith Schiller, inform Gigicos that he’d never manage a Trump rally again, according to three people familiar with the matter.

Gigicos, one of the four longest-serving political aides to the president, declined to comment.
As for who goes next, I sort of think Tillerson will be gone. However, because his replacement would have to go through the Senate confirmation process, firing him right now isn't practical.
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There are more than three Republican senators waiting in the tall grass for Trump. He's limited by who he can past confirmation hearings. Three defections and his nominee fails and the VP casting a tie winning vote will still be a defeat.
That reminds me, yeah. Eventually there could be a price for going after Jeff Flake, et al.
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That reminds me, yeah. Eventually there could be a price for going after Jeff Flake, et al.
Assuming modern medicine can perfect the art and science of spinal transplants.
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Old 30th August 2017, 07:39 AM   #237
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I still think Kelly will go soon. I think either he'll give up and quit, or piss off Trump and get fired. I'm less sure of it now than I was, though.
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Old 30th August 2017, 08:26 AM   #238
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If things keep up, the White House itself will resign and walk out of town.
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Old 30th August 2017, 08:35 AM   #239
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
If things keep up, the White House itself will resign and walk out of town.
In a roundabout way, the renovations have kind of done just that.

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Old 30th August 2017, 08:41 AM   #240
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Whatever happened to KellyAnne Conway? I haven't heard her BS for what seems like several weeks.
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