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Old Yesterday, 07:45 AM   #961
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
"Out Crap reactor keeps blowing up and melting parts! Give us money so we can melt more crap!"

If any of the BLP staff decided to "go legit" they could pitch a show to the Discovery Channel about melting things and blowing them up in new and novel ways. "This Sunday, on 'Friggin Weird Big Booms!' We know jet fuel can't melt steel beams, so we explore what CAN!"

Cut to scene of a hunk of steel being reduced to plasma by a massive electrical surge.
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
Clearly, they lacked the substantial fundraising skills of Mr. Mills.

That and they kept trying to stage public demos to "prove" their tech instead of better controlled Dog-and-Pony shows in front of smaller audiences of potential investors.
Back in the day I had a customer in the same shared facility. Whenever mentioned, the universal response was "Oh, those guys". I followed the forum while it was public as a lurker. As I recall, when it went sub only, even the most ardent supporters went postal. I think a few are still active on ecat, but I have not looked in years.

You might ask why this particular instance attracted my attention. Fair enough. Simply put, one generally finds such things in other countries thousands of miles away. Those guys operated out of a location within walking distance of my home. That was sufficiently unusual. What are the chances? That a free energy proponent claiming over-unity was right on my doorstep? And I could simply walk in and ask very pointy questions?

Oh, there were never any pointy answers.

Now our proponent Progrocker asks "Whatever happened to Steorn?". It seems to me that an overunity proponent could not possibly be unaware of that spectacular collapse. It was everywhere in the overunity community. Perhaps he/she is sufficiently young to have missed the entire fiasco. That's perfectly valid. Nevertheless, there are those of us who watched it all play out in real life and the similarity to Mills is uncanny.
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Originally Posted by jrhowell View Post
I'm not so sure about that. You need to parse his statements carefully. A device that "operates continuously and produces megawatts of power" is not the same as a device that "produces megawatts of power continuously".

Similarly, many of the more outlandish claims are in articles about BLP. I suspect that Mills is careful to state that his devices "will do X" (a prediction that he could be honestly mistaken about) instead of that they actually "do X now" (a potential lie or fraud). Mills can't be held accountable if a reporter fails to pick up on this nuance and publishes incorrect information, can he?
Somebody/somebodies make their living out of crafting claims that cannot be litigated. The honest among us may not like it, but it isn't illegal in any way.
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Originally Posted by ProgRokker View Post
He also claims that in the SunCell the input power is the equivalent of "about two hair dryers" and that it produces 20 million watts from seven-millionths of a liter of water
Do you realize what's wrong with the hilighted part?
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Originally Posted by jrhowell View Post
I'm not so sure about that. You need to parse his statements carefully. A device that "operates continuously and produces megawatts of power" is not the same as a device that "produces megawatts of power continuously".

Similarly, many of the more outlandish claims are in articles about BLP. I suspect that Mills is careful to state that his devices "will do X" (a prediction that he could be honestly mistaken about) instead of that they actually "do X now" (a potential lie or fraud). Mills can't be held accountable if a reporter fails to pick up on this nuance and publishes incorrect information, can he?
I don't think so. He's pretty blatant. But I agree that careful attention to the words is needed.

He even claimed that the continuous megawatt power production eventually melted the device.

You may recall that the rotating gears/wheels of the CIHT cell had to spin much faster to continuously produce power. The power production was not "continuous" at low rotating speeds.

Here's a quote from a BLP press release:

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All four methodologies cross-confirmed the production of megawatt scale power that was continuous in the case of the SunCell® with spectacular commercial potential.
And another using the term "joules" rather oddly. 1 megajoule is about 275 watt hours.

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Test results indicated that energy generation was proportional to the total amount of solid fuel, and only one percent of the one million joules of the energy released could be accounted for by previously known chemistry.
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BLP’s 50,000 watt reactor generated over 1 million joules of energy in a precise measurement made by Rowan University engineers, led by Dr. Peter Jansson. The independent study included full characterization of a proprietary solid fuel to generate the energy before and after the reaction.
If you read a lot of Mills' statements over the years, it's all a bit mixed up and contradictory and confusing.
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
Roughly 7 million cars were sold in the USA in 2016.

Those cars alone, if driven 10K miles per year, would consume 70 million liters of water per year if powered by BLP, according to Mills.

Let's take an easy number that is likely very low, and say that there are 100 million cars on the road in the USA.

That would be 1 billion liters of water per year consumed if those cars ran on BLP, at 10K miles per year.

That's just our personal vehicles, and it's off by a whole lot, on the low side.

And it's just in the USA.

I haven't looked into worldwide figures for cars and houses, etc., but this is water that is gone...not coming back.

I don't know what sort of a dent this would make in our available water, but it doesn't sound good.
Global fresh water consumption is estimated to be 9 Trillion cubic meters per year. The majority of that is for cooling machinery, followed by agriculture use.
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Originally Posted by bytewizard View Post
Global fresh water consumption is estimated to be 9 Trillion cubic meters per year. The majority of that is for cooling machinery, followed by agriculture use.
And it all eventually ends up back in the water cycle, none of it lost forever. If what Mills claims is true (stop that laughing, I said IF) the water that goes into his device is broken down into hydrogen and oxygen, with the hydrogen then being converted to "Hydrinos", never to be water again.
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And it all eventually ends up back in the water cycle, none of it lost forever. If what Mills claims is true (stop that laughing, I said IF) the water that goes into his device is broken down into hydrogen and oxygen, with the hydrogen then being converted to "Hydrinos", never to be water again.
Ah, but in the crisis lies the cure!

All we'd need is a Hydrino powered spaceship to go into space and collect a few comets. Then the comets can be brought back to earth, infecting us with alien microbes that will wipe out all sentient life on the planet.

What?

We're already firmly on sci-fi ground with Hydrino boy and his amazing exploding reactor.
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Originally Posted by ProgRokker View Post
There certainly *is* independently replicated evidence of anomalous energy. The fact that you're not familiar with it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Read Beaudette. Assuming experimental error without actually defining where the error(s) exist is akin to saying "I'll see it when I believe it!" Not a very flattering admission from a scientist.

I'm assuming by "fringe science" that you mean the region where scientific revolutions typically originate--around the margins, often by outsiders?
Dunno. Can you give me that in watts per cow?
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Originally Posted by bytewizard View Post
Global fresh water consumption is estimated to be 9 Trillion cubic meters per year. The majority of that is for cooling machinery, followed by agriculture use.
Yes, but most of that does not disappear. Most of that returns to the water cycle.

BLP's device literally consumes the water, and it does not return to the water cycle. It is lost.

I don't think the world can or would tolerate the continuous loss of trillions of liters of water.
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
Yes, but most of that does not disappear. Most of that returns to the water cycle.

BLP's device literally consumes the water, and it does not return to the water cycle. It is lost.

I don't think the world can or would tolerate the continuous loss of trillions of liters of water.
Maybe we could offset sea levels rising? And increase atmospheric oxygen, that must be a good thing right? /s
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Originally Posted by ProgRokker View Post
There certainly *is* independently replicated evidence of anomalous energy. The fact that you're not familiar with it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Read Beaudette. Assuming experimental error without actually defining where the error(s) exist is akin to saying "I'll see it when I believe it!" Not a very flattering admission from a scientist.
Nope.

None of that "replication" has been independent. The individual claims of "replication" have been gone over elsewhere in this thread, so you can be excused for not knowing they were largely debunked. BLP staff has been involved in every one of those tests. Even when someone else actually ran the BLP equipment, BLP staff were processing the results. Independent confirmation would mean someone else demonstrating Hydrino formation on their own equipment without prodding and help from BLP staff.

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I'm assuming by "fringe science" that you mean the region where scientific revolutions typically originate--around the margins, often by outsiders?
"Fringe science" is a polite derogatory term for "******* crazy BS with no connection to reality." Actual progress, regardless of if it comes from outsiders or not, is not "fringe" science. It's just "science."
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I think one of the things that attracts to Mills is the lone ranger going against the big bad faceless group, where the lone ranger seeks to help the downtrodden and the big bad wants to just use them for money. Einstein and Galileo are referenced a lot as similar lone rangers.
Except this Lone Ranger (and his Tanto, ProgRokker) is only in it for the bucks. It's disgusting, the levels of greed that Mills shows when he's been sitting on the one thing that would turn all of science on its head and propel humanity into a new, prosperous era of essentially free energy all because he wants to be paid first. Even though he'd be more than richly compensated after releasing such a device; I'm sure there are philanthropists enough to make him and his family and future generations quite comfortable.


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Of course, when you actually start looking at the individual claims this falls apart.

There is no single entity suppressing new knowledge, no matter how much Mill's supporters claim this. For each vested professor that would like to keep his theories valid, there are 10 equally capable rivals willing to take him down and 100+ PhD students all ready to break trough with the next new thing.

Einstein and Galileo both had their theories validated well within 30 years, both without making a single practical application, but rather by engaging in discussion and allowing others to try and take their theories apart, unlike Mills secrecy and sueing of critics.

Mills claims to work in some unique way that no one else (including anywhere in observable nature) can replicate. But all of his setups replicate reactions that occur in both normal chemistry and during volcanic eruptions on earth regularly. And we do no see the mid-oceanic ridge explode continuously nor do chemical plants involved in (for instance) ammonia production explode due to massive unpredicted energy generation.

Mills claims to want to solve the energy problem, but 'scaling down' keeps the product from reaching individuals. Yet never is it explained why he cannot just scale his product up and slot it into the existing power plants so everyone can get cheap energy.

More reasons to draw a parallel between Mills and a movie. It both looks good and the story is nice, but it falls apart in the real world.
All good points, impossible to ignore (try as the Millsians might!).
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Clearly, then, you don't understand what Mills is claiming; he's claimed that the reaction is self-sustaining, but has never to my knowledge claimed that it's self-sustaining indefinitely without a source of hydrogen to fuel the continuing reaction. In fact, clearly you don't understand what you yourself are claiming, because you go on to say:
Mills has a machine he turns on at the factory and it's run by water until the parts run out in 20 years or so. It may not technically be perpetual motion, but gimme a freakin' break: it runs on water, for next to nothing.

You must have been the guy at Christmas who couldn't wait to get up and tell his siblings that Santa Claus isn't real.
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Originally Posted by jrhowell View Post
If you collect the power of two hair dryers (about 3KW) over a period of time you gather a lot of energy. If you then release it all at once you have megawatts of power and can perform an impressive demonstration, producing far higher temperatures than those hair dryers ever could. Nothing new or exciting.
Laff! Are you suggesting that this is the parlor trick Mills uses to melt tungsten and vaporize silver? Even your skeptical brethren are cringing at that suggestion.

Isn't it more economical to just subscribe to the conspiracy theory that Mills is faking everything with seam welders and trick camera work?
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Nope.
Nope...right back at you. I was referring to prior experiments by other entities, including universities and other governmental bodies, as documented in Charles Beaudette's book "Excess Heat".

Those interested in the almost 30 years of progress made in the low energy nuclear reactions field--as well as its possible connections to Mills' hydrino work--might want to read the book.
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Originally Posted by ProgRokker View Post
Believe me. I read through the thread. And it's miles and miles of people saying hydrinos can't exist.

Frankly, I don't care if hydrinos exist. I care only about "regurgitating" the observational evidence.

The anomalous energy claims are the single most important aspect of this saga. If the claims are accurate, hydrino or not, something truly novel is occurring.
Not novel. Mundane. Burning metals at high temps is quite well known. Not only that, it is easily repeatable. In fact any welder, it's actually with effort one has to expend to avoid it. And serious safety equipment to protect eyes and skin:

Welding - Radiation and the Effects On Eyes and Skin

Keep in mind this level of radiation occurs with plenty of flux and /or shielding gas to PREVENT the water from burning the metals. Otherwise it gets many times stronger even than the above!
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Laff! Are you suggesting that this is the parlor trick Mills uses to melt tungsten and vaporize silver?
Steorn and Rossi may have used trickery, but Mills the the real deal? I don't think so!

His videos are flashy, but don't actually show anything beyond accepted physics and chemistry.
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Originally Posted by ProgRokker View Post
Mills has a machine he turns on at the factory and it's run by water until the parts run out in 20 years or so. It may not technically be perpetual motion, but gimme a freakin' break: it runs on water, for next to nothing.

You must have been the guy at Christmas who couldn't wait to get up and tell his siblings that Santa Claus isn't real.
Evidence?

(Around here, that's shorthand for "do you have any evidence to back up this claim?" Preferably third parties that don't have a vested interest in the claim itself.)
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I'm assuming by "fringe science" that you mean the region where scientific revolutions typically originate--around the margins, often by outsiders?
Frankly for all practical purpose i cannot think of one modern scientific revolution made by outsider from "ftinge science" like mills. They may exist, but the crushing majority, if not all revolution occured with what i would call your traditional insider, and i mean by that a traditional engineer or scientific as opposed to fringe science.

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Now our proponent Progrocker asks "Whatever happened to Steorn?". It seems to me that an overunity proponent could not possibly be unaware of that spectacular collapse. It was everywhere in the overunity community. Perhaps he/she is sufficiently young to have missed the entire fiasco. That's perfectly valid. Nevertheless, there are those of us who watched it all play out in real life and the similarity to Mills is uncanny.
Oh, I followed the Steorn news until their "wardrobe malfunction" of a demonstration. Then I lost interest. Steorn never showed up on any of my mailing lists or news sites after that so I stopped paying attention.

I was interested in the Rossi saga until Steven Krivit of New Energy Times exposed Rossi's duplicity in a way no one can deny.

I disagreed with Krivit's early criticisms of Gene Mallove, but he seems to be pretty even-handed now that he's spent a couple decades surveying the new energy field. It's curious that Krivit has never even mentioned Mills. I assume he's in wait-and-see mode, which in itself is cause for optimism, as Krivit is not exactly known for pulling his punches.
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Evidence?

(Around here, that's shorthand for "do you have any evidence to back up this claim?" Preferably third parties that don't have a vested interest in the claim itself.)
That's Mills' claim, not mine. I have no more insider knowledge than anybody else here.
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Frankly for all practical purpose i cannot think of one modern scientific revolution made by outsider from "ftinge science" like mills. They may exist, but the crushing majority, if not all revolution occured with what i would call your traditional insider, and i mean by that a traditional engineer or scientific as opposed to fringe science.
Thomas Kuhn disagrees with that assessment:
Individuals who break through by inventing a new paradigm are almost always either very young men or very new to the field whose paradigm they change. These are the men who, being little committed by prior practice to the traditional rules of normal science, are particularly likely to see that those rules no longer define a playable game and conceive another set that can replace them.

In other words, new paradigms are almost always invented by those *not* well entrenched in the field they end up transforming, i.e. those in the "fringes" of the discipline.

I know "fringe" was used in a derogatory manner before, but it's actually an unintended nod to the reality of how scientific revolutions come about.
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Originally Posted by ProgRokker View Post
Mills has a machine he turns on at the factory and it's run by water until the parts run out in 20 years or so. It may not technically be perpetual motion, but gimme a freakin' break: it runs on water, for next to nothing.

You must have been the guy at Christmas who couldn't wait to get up and tell his siblings that Santa Claus isn't real.
Are you comparing your belief in BLP to a child's belief in Santa Claus?
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Originally Posted by ProgRokker View Post
Thomas Kuhn disagrees with that assessment:
Individuals who break through by inventing a new paradigm are almost always either very young men or very new to the field whose paradigm they change. These are the men who, being little committed by prior practice to the traditional rules of normal science, are particularly likely to see that those rules no longer define a playable game and conceive another set that can replace them.

In other words, new paradigms are almost always invented by those *not* well entrenched in the field they end up transforming, i.e. those in the "fringes" of the discipline.

I know "fringe" was used in a derogatory manner before, but it's actually an unintended nod to the reality of how scientific revolutions come about.
Could you name some then?
Which massive breaktrough was made by an outsider that was ignored by everyone in a specific field?

The only one I can think of that would even vaguely fall into this category is Alfred Wegener and his plate tectonics and he was an geologist, the critique was that he thought up the idea without discovering a mechanism to drive it.
Once that mechanism was discovered the theory became mainstream in a matter of years.
So it mainly ticks the box 'was not accepted at the time'. But not the 'outsider' nor the 'laughed at' nor the 'suppressed' boxes.
And it really fails the 'do not give all details to the world' and 'ask for money to industrialize without a clear goal' boxes.
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Mills has a machine he turns on at the factory and it's run by water until the parts run out in 20 years or so. It may not technically be perpetual motion, but gimme a freakin' break: it runs on water, for next to nothing.



You must have been the guy at Christmas who couldn't wait to get up and tell his siblings that Santa Claus isn't real.


Dude. If you're going to advocate for Mills you need to get remedial terminology right. A reactor, be it fission, fusion or Hydrino, that runs for a decade or two without refueling, is NOT a perpetual motion machine. It's still burning fuel. The fuel will run out and the device will stop. This isn't a quibble. This is basic physics. By your definition I could turn any random diesel generator into a "perpetual motion machine" by attaching a big enough fuel tank to it.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Are you comparing your belief in BLP to a child's belief in Santa Claus?

This is a guy who apparently thinks that BLP building a straight-up perpetual motion machine makes them more credible. Are you really going to quibble about Santa Claus?
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Originally Posted by ProgRokker View Post
Nope...right back at you. I was referring to prior experiments by other entities, including universities and other governmental bodies, as documented in Charles Beaudette's book "Excess Heat".

Those interested in the almost 30 years of progress made in the low energy nuclear reactions field--as well as its possible connections to Mills' hydrino work--might want to read the book.


Seriously?

"Excess Heat" by Charles Beaudette?

The Book that argues Cold Fusion is real by claiming all the scientist who tried to replicate the original claims were ALL wrong when they failed to replicate the results?

Seriously?

Well, it's slightly better than citing David Icke or Alex Jones.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Are you comparing your belief in BLP to a child's belief in Santa Claus?
That would very much seem to be the case here.
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