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Old 3rd September 2022, 07:05 PM   #2001
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Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry View Post
Does this mean he was protecting Hillary? My God, it was that diabolical, and we all missed it!
He's setting up an insanity defense. It won't work.
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He's setting up an insanity defense. It won't work.
Considering that insanity sums up his re-election platform, probably not.
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Trump claims without evidence that John Fetterman uses drugs

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald...drugs?ref=home
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Originally Posted by zorro99 View Post
Trump claims without evidence that John Fetterman uses drugs

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald...drugs?ref=home
Wow. Another stupid rant for a stupid audience. But claiming Fetterman wants to decriminalize opium, cocaine, fentanyl and heroin and that Fetterman takes them himself is...well....nut. But his audience was just lapping it up. Idiots.
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Originally Posted by zorro99 View Post
Trump claims without evidence that John Fetterman uses drugs

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald...drugs?ref=home
Surely slander like this is actionable, even under USA "free speech"?

Free speech must have a cut off point where it becomes harmful or hateful.
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Wow. Another stupid rant for a stupid audience. But claiming Fetterman wants to decriminalize opium, cocaine, fentanyl and heroin and that Fetterman takes them himself is...well....nut. But his audience was just lapping it up. Idiots.
If Fetterman or indeed anyone took all those drugs, they would be permanently off their rocker saying stupid stuff in public. Like Donny does.

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Originally Posted by Mr Fied View Post
Surely slander like this is actionable, even under USA "free speech"?

Free speech must have a cut off point where it becomes harmful or hateful.
Donny thrives on conflict. He would call any slander accusation a Witch Hunt, etc. The case would be dragged on for years, appeal after expensive appeal, with no reasonable prospect of success. Don't even start.
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Donny thrives on conflict. He would call any slander accusation a Witch Hunt, etc. The case would be dragged on for years, appeal after expensive appeal, with no reasonable prospect of success. Don't even start.
It would force him to seek out further legal representation, which seems to be getting harder and harder for him to find, so I'd say there is a good point for proceeding, no matter the chance of success.
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Donny thrives on conflict. He would call any slander accusation a Witch Hunt, etc. The case would be dragged on for years, appeal after expensive appeal, with no reasonable prospect of success. Don't even start.
For what it's worth, Mr Fied has a very good overall point, though. There absolutely SHOULD be consequences for publicly promoting vicious, defamatory harmful lies and slander. There are certainly difficult issues that must be dealt with when it comes to enforcement (albeit largely the squirming and attempts to corrupt such by those who are doing and enabling harm), but that's not much of an excuse to just give up before even trying.

For reference, though, I tend to view all things like free speech to be good only to the extent that they have positive overall effects on society. There needs to be leeway in any regulation that aims to keep things near the apex of how beneficial it is, of course, but there absolutely do need to be consequences for the brazen abuse of the protections offered by one's rights.
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It would force him to seek out further legal representation, which seems to be getting harder and harder for him to find, so I'd say there is a good point for proceeding, no matter the chance of success.
Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
For what it's worth, Mr Fied has a very good overall point, though. There absolutely SHOULD be consequences for publicly promoting vicious, defamatory harmful lies and slander. There are certainly difficult issues that must be dealt with when it comes to enforcement (albeit largely the squirming and attempts to corrupt such by those who are doing and enabling harm), but that's not much of an excuse to just give up before even trying.

For reference, though, I tend to view all things like free speech to be good only to the extent that they have positive overall effects on society. There needs to be leeway in any regulation that aims to keep things near the apex of how beneficial it is, of course, but there absolutely do need to be consequences for the brazen abuse of the protections offered by one's rights.
Both these points are absolutely right.

And Donny would make a mockery of them. Because he is an absolute lying turd.

His approach is to abuse the legal system beyond all boundaries of decency, never giving in, launching appeal on top of appeal, refusing to pay costs, sacking his own lawyers (such as they might be)...anything to drag it out forever. Meanwhile he would be publicly screeching that he is being hounded and harried and unfairly attacked.

It's all corruption and lies, of course, but 40% of the USA will believe him. So this is just giving him ammunition in his "war", grist to his mill.

So the reason not to start is first, you will never get him to accept a court's decision, and second, you will never get justice and recompense.
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Old 4th September 2022, 06:27 AM   #2013
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Originally Posted by Mr Fied View Post
Surely slander like this is actionable, even under USA "free speech"?

Free speech must have a cut off point where it becomes harmful or hateful.
It's extremely difficult for a public figure to win a defamation suit. That's what Sullivan is all about. The legal process takes years, and it would keep the accusation alive ("Fetterman...drugs") all that time. And if Fetterman ever in his life smoked a little weed or took a pill, it would likely sink his case. Trump knows what he can get away with.
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Both these points are absolutely right.

And Donny would make a mockery of them. Because he is an absolute lying turd.

His approach is to abuse the legal system beyond all boundaries of decency, never giving in, launching appeal on top of appeal, refusing to pay costs, sacking his own lawyers (such as they might be)...anything to drag it out forever. Meanwhile he would be publicly screeching that he is being hounded and harried and unfairly attacked.

It's all corruption and lies, of course, but 40% of the USA will believe him. So this is just giving him ammunition in his "war", grist to his mill.

So the reason not to start is first, you will never get him to accept a court's decision, and second, you will never get justice and recompense.
Given the current system, you very well may be completely right, too. All the more reason to try to improve the system.
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At a 'Save America' rally in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania last night, held in support of Mehmet Oz and Doug Mastriano, trump made some strange comments. Business Insider reports:
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"Last week, the weirdo — he's a weirdo — Mark Zuckerberg came to the White House, kissed my ass all night," Trump said during the speech, going on to mimic their alleged conversation: "'Sir, I'd love to have dinner, sir. I'd love to have dinner. I'd love to bring my lovely wife.' All right, Mark, come on in. 'Sir, you're number one on Facebook. I'd like to congratulate you.' Thank you very much, Mark. I appreciate it." link to article
Last week. Come on, he meant last year. Please!

No wait, that's not right either.

It don't matter what he meant!
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Doesn't matter how senile he is, they love him. He could be in a hospital being kept alive on machines and they'd still vote for him.
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Doesn't matter how senile he is, they love him. He could be in a hospital being kept alive on machines and they'd still vote for him.
While screaming about how mentally unfit <insert Democrat here> is.
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Remember when Trump was furious about not winning an Emmy, or a Nobel Prize?

Obama just got his second Emmy.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/04/enter...mmy/index.html
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Remember when Trump was furious about not winning an Emmy, or a Nobel Prize?

Obama just got his second Emmy.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/04/enter...mmy/index.html
Totally rigged, totally corrupt!
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
Remember when Trump was furious about not winning an Emmy, or a Nobel Prize?

Obama just got his second Emmy.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/04/enter...mmy/index.html
Share it a lot, till T**** makes some idiotic statement about it.

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Share it a lot, till T**** makes some idiotic statement about it.

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Trump: Obama.. so popular. They say he’s so handsome. He’s such a great speaker. What does he say? He says nothing
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On Friday night former trump Attorney General William Barr told Fox News his view of the Mar-a-Lago FBI raid. (The Fox news team didn't like it. See below.)
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"People say this was unprecedented, but it's also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put them in a country club," Barr said on Friday. "How long is the government going to try to get that back? They were deceived on the voluntary actions taken. They then went and got a subpoena, they were deceived on that," he added. "The facts are starting to show that they were being jerked around and so how long do they wait?" Link to article in Newsweek
Barr went on to express skepticism over the claim, by trump, that trump had declassified everything. Barr called it "highly unlikely." donald trump didn't like any of this either and he fired back in a TruthSocial post.
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"Bill Barr had 'no guts,' and got 'no glory.' He was a weak and pathetic RINO, who was so afraid of being Impeached that he became a captive to the Radical Left Democrats...Barr never fought the way he should have for Election Integrity, and so much else. He started off OK as A.G., but faded fast - Didn't have courage or stamina. People like that will never Make America Great Again!" Link to article on Axios dot com
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While screaming about how mentally unfit <insert Democrat here> is.
To be fair, Trump is not partisan when it comes to political affiliation , anyone not kissing his arsenal right there and then is fair game.
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This all reminds the story of the drug lord who asked his lawyer to "finally give him some sound advice."

The lawyer in exasperation yelled, "THE SAME THING I'VE BEEN TELLING YA' FOR WEEKS. .. .SHUT UP AND STOP BREAKING THE LAW!
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At a 'Save America' rally in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania last night, held in support of Mehmet Oz and Doug Mastriano, trump made some strange comments. Business Insider reports:
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The snippets that are being broadcast show Trump raging, practically foaming at the mouth, and the mob was lapping it up. I wonder if someone who speaks German would like to compare Trump's rants to Hitler's exhortations of vast enraptured crowds. I'm not joking; the body language and the tones of voice sound awfully similar.

Trump has always been dangerous. The great, terrible mistake of the media and the political establishment was to treat him as an entertaining sideshow.
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Here's another screen cap from the rally. I think the ad is from the broadcasting network rather than the campaign. But my question is "What is S & P?". I mean, I've seen extra charges for Shipping and Handling (S & H), or Postage and Handling (P & H), but never Shipping and Postage. (It's in the very find print, I don't know if the upload quality shows it well enough.)
"Just pay $1 s&p each..."
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Obama winning an Emmy while Trump is going through all these legal troubles must rankle Trump no end.

It obviously bothers him that The Apprentice was nominated 8 times but never won. When Clinton mentioned it during a presidential debate, he replied in his usual petulant way:

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To which Trump interjected, "I should've gotten it."
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He actually complained about the 2004 loss on "The Apprentice" about 11 years later on a January 19, 2015 episode, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

"I got screwed out of an Emmy," Trump said on the episode. "Everybody thought I was going to win it. In fact, when they announced the winner, I stood up before the winner was announced. And I started walking for the Emmy. And then they announced the most boring show on television, [CBS's] 'The Amazing Race.' Piece of crap."
It must be awful to be that insecure and emotionally needy.
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Here's another screen cap from the rally. I think the ad is from the broadcasting network rather than the campaign. But my question is "What is S & P?". I mean, I've seen extra charges for Shipping and Handling (S & H), or Postage and Handling (P & H), but never Shipping and Postage. (It's in the very find print, I don't know if the upload quality shows it well enough.)
"Just pay $1 s&p each..."

Shipping and Processing, maybe.
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Here's another screen cap from the rally. I think the ad is from the broadcasting network rather than the campaign. But my question is "What is S & P?". I mean, I've seen extra charges for Shipping and Handling (S & H), or Postage and Handling (P & H), but never Shipping and Postage. (It's in the very find print, I don't know if the upload quality shows it well enough.)
"Just pay $1 s&p each..."
If I was in the USA, I would so buy that on a credit card, then contest and reverse the payment after it was shipped because it did not meet human consumption standard and was dangerous for children.

Also to wave it at magachumps after donny was tossed in jail.
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I did actually buy a couple of Trump coloring books that came out when he was running the first time, thinking "Well, we'll never see the likes of this again!" It had drawings like Trump meeting aliens, Trump dressed as Elvis, Trump as Willy Wonka. I think I posted an edit some time back that showed the Oompa-Loompas as his Cabinet.
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I did actually buy a couple of Trump coloring books that came out when he was running the first time, thinking "Well, we'll never see the likes of this again!" It had drawings like Trump meeting aliens, Trump dressed as Elvis, Trump as Willy Wonka. I think I posted an edit some time back that showed the Oompa-Loompas as his Cabinet.
So they went for realism?
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The snippets that are being broadcast show Trump raging, practically foaming at the mouth, and the mob was lapping it up. I wonder if someone who speaks German would like to compare Trump's rants to Hitler's exhortations of vast enraptured crowds. I'm not joking; the body language and the tones of voice sound awfully similar.

Trump has always been dangerous. The great, terrible mistake of the media and the political establishment was to treat him as an entertaining sideshow.
For what it's worth, German media and politically involved figures apparently treated Hitler in almost exactly the same general way that they treated Trump, by the look of it. Right down to similar groups attaching themselves to them for similar reasons. The comparison is, of course, not perfect in the details, but it's very much in the close rhymes of history category. The kind that reminds us that populations who don't truly learn from history are somewhat doomed to repeat it. Of course, there's also the part implicit in that where certain groups may actively be trying to repeat history because they think that they'll be able to benefit by doing so.
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For what it's worth, German media and politically involved figures apparently treated Hitler in almost exactly the same general way that they treated Trump, by the look of it. Right down to similar groups attaching themselves to them for similar reasons. The comparison is, of course, not perfect in the details, but it's very much in the close rhymes of history category. The kind that reminds us that populations who don't truly learn from history are somewhat doomed to repeat it. Of course, there's also the part implicit in that where certain groups may actively be trying to repeat history because they think that they'll be able to benefit by doing so.
The kind of people who go "I don't like Hitler, but he got some things right. He just went wrong with...."
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The kind of people who go "I don't like Hitler, but he got some things right. He just went wrong with...."
As well as the people who do like Hitler and the people who don't care about Hitler, just that he demonstrated that such was a viable path to power and profit, to poke at more examples.
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I watched a fascinating documentary on Netflix a few night ago made about2009 of interviews with Germans who were members of the SS, Wehrmacht, Hitler Youth and ordinary German citizens who grew up during that time. It was fascinating. While some took full responsibility and regret it, a surprising number were still in either full or partial denial. One ex SS member said he does not regret following Hitler and that he had the 'right idea' except for killing Jews. They should just have been completely expelled from Germany to go govern themselves somewhere else. Another was in full denial that the Holocaust ever happened. Still others claimed they weren't at fault because 'they' never did anything to the Jews and others denied they knew anything about it. One woman in a group of ladies at a care home said this at first, but then a couple others said that wasn't true; they knew it but nobody spoke about it out of fear of ending up in the camps themselves.

I suspect this is the kind of thing we'll be hearing from Trump supporters, Jan 6 participants, etc. 40 years from now.
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I watched a fascinating documentary on Netflix a few night ago made about2009 of interviews with Germans who were members of the SS, Wehrmacht, Hitler Youth and ordinary German citizens who grew up during that time. It was fascinating. While some took full responsibility and regret it, a surprising number were still in either full or partial denial. One ex SS member said he does not regret following Hitler and that he had the 'right idea' except for killing Jews. They should just have been completely expelled from Germany to go govern themselves somewhere else. Another was in full denial that the Holocaust ever happened. Still others claimed they weren't at fault because 'they' never did anything to the Jews and others denied they knew anything about it. One woman in a group of ladies at a care home said this at first, but then a couple others said that wasn't true; they knew it but nobody spoke about it out of fear of ending up in the camps themselves.

I suspect this is the kind of thing we'll be hearing from Trump supporters, Jan 6 participants, etc. 40 years from now.
This one, right? It was in theaters briefly before it went to streaming. Chilling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_W-tAgGCwM
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This one, right? It was in theaters briefly before it went to streaming. Chilling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_W-tAgGCwM
Yes, that's it!

When I lived in Berchtesgaden for several months years ago (and been there since several times. Love it!), it was very weird. I actually worked in the Gen. Walker Hotel which was originally built up near the Berghof and was converted to a Nazi bigwig hotel in 1943. If you've ever seen Band of Brothers, in episode 10 they go into the Berchtesgadener Hof. I lived right across the street from it and spent many a day/evening there. I used to sunbathe up on the roof. Talk about stunning views! They filmed the episode there not long before it was torn down. There's a nature museum built on the spot now.

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The kind of people who go "I don't like Hitler, but he got some things right. He just went wrong with...."
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Once again, Trump was praising Putin and Xi as being 'smart' at his rally. He then went on to laud Xi ruling 1.5 billion people with an iron fist and for being 'president for life'. "I call him 'king'," he said. Nah, he isn't an authoritarian wannabe at all!

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