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Old 7th September 2022, 07:09 PM   #2081
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
I'm not worried about Diehl getting elected, it's the numerous crazies in other states that scare me.

In my state, New Hampshire, there's Don Bolduc running for U.S. Senate and expected to win the Republican primary next week:

In New Hampshire, Republicans Weigh Another Hard-Right Candidate
That these crazies are winning the GOP primaries is yet more evidence of just how off the rails the right has gone. In the past, anyone spouting this kind of crazy would be an outsider, laughed at even by most Republicans. Not any more. LaLaLand has become the norm for them. Scares the crap out of me.
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Old 8th September 2022, 02:19 PM   #2082
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
According to this, Trump's pardon of Bannon does not affect NY's ability to charge him:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...-york-00055146
https://twitter.com/DonLew87/status/...xtP5xNKl-9fwiQ

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Old 8th September 2022, 02:58 PM   #2083
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post

Love it!

And as bannon is walked past the assembled media he blathers something about, "This is what happens during the last days of a dying regime." By 'last days of a dying regime' is stevo referring to the trump regime?

Also something-something "They'll never shut me up. They'll have to kill me first." Hey, stevo this isn't a movie you're in, this is real life.

At least he appears to have cleaned himself up.
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Old 8th September 2022, 03:05 PM   #2084
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Do idiots like Bannon think they're above the law or something? I'd like to be a big enough person to not be amused right now, but I can't help it.
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Old 8th September 2022, 03:13 PM   #2085
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The truly despicable part is, despite his theatrics -- "This is what happens during the last days of a dying regime. They'll never shut me up. They'll have to kill me first." -- this is not a political case. It's about a scam bannon orchestrated.

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A six-count indictment charges Bannon with money laundering, conspiracy and scheming to defraud for his alleged role in We Build the Wall, a group that raised at least $15 million to construct a barrier along the border with Mexico but skimmed the donations. Politico dot com link
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Old 8th September 2022, 03:17 PM   #2086
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
The truly despicable part is, despite his theatrics -- "This is what happens during the last days of a dying regime. They'll never shut me up. They'll have to kill me first." -- this is not a political case. It's about a scam bannon orchestrated.
I fully expect Bannon to shout "Top Of The World, Ma!" any minute.
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Old 8th September 2022, 03:18 PM   #2087
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I bet Trump is really pissed off about being forced off the front pages by the Death of Queen Elizabeth.
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Old 8th September 2022, 03:35 PM   #2088
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Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
Oh it gets better*...

https://twitter.com/kayemcelle/statu...12045962313728



*"Better" as in a 100 times worse.
"Semi-Fascist"? "SEMI"?????
But look at the carefully selected audience in the background. Who aren't cheering. Maybe can't believe what they're hearing.
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Old 8th September 2022, 03:39 PM   #2089
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
I bet Trump is really pissed off about being forced off the front pages by the Death of Queen Elizabeth.
You can bet any statement he might issue about it will mostly be about him.

ETA: Nope, I was wrong.

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“Melania and I are deeply saddened to learn of the loss of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II,” Trump wrote. “Together with our family and fellow Americans, we send our sincere condolences to the Royal Family and the people of the United Kingdom during this time of great sorrow and grief. Queen Elizabeth’s historic and remarkable reign left a tremendous legacy of peace and prosperity for Great Britain.

"She will always be remembered for her faithfulness to her country and her unwavering devotion to her fellow countrymen and women,” he added. “Melania and I will always cherish our time together with the Queen, and never forget Her Majesty’s generous friendship, great wisdom, and wonderful sense of humor. What a grand and beautiful lady she was — there was nobody like her
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Old 8th September 2022, 03:46 PM   #2091
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Originally Posted by Resume View Post
You can bet any statement he might issue about it will mostly be about him.

ETA: Nope, I was wrong.
Oh he still found a way to make it about him...

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Old 8th September 2022, 04:03 PM   #2092
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Originally Posted by Resume View Post
You can bet any statement he might issue about it will mostly be about him.

ETA: Nope, I was wrong.
No way did he write that. It was obviously written by a flunkie for him. This would be something he'd write:

"I'm saddened to hear that Queen Elizabeth has died. She was great. I knew her for a long time...years... and she was great. Fantastic. Wonderful woman. She said to me, "Donald, you're the best US president I've met and I've met a lot of them. You're smarter than any of the others, especially that Obama guy. What a clown." I said, "Thank you, Liz...she insisted I call her that...I feel the same." She was a queen the likes the world has never seen before. We actually dated before I met Ivanka. Nobody knows that. Nobody knows that. But it's true."

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Old 8th September 2022, 04:20 PM   #2093
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
No way did he write that. It was obviously written by a flunkie for him. This would be something he'd write:

"I'm saddened to hear that Queen Elizabeth has died. She was great. I knew her for a long time...years... and she was great. Fantastic. Wonderful woman. She said to me, "Donald, you're the best US president I've met and I've met a lot of them. You're smarter than any of the others, especially that Obama guy. What a clown." I said, "Thank you, Liz...she insisted I call her that...I feel the same." She was a queen the likes the world has never seen before. We actually dated before I met Ivanka. Nobody knows that. Nobody knows that. But it's true."
You're getting a little too good at writing Trumpeze.
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Old 8th September 2022, 05:03 PM   #2094
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Love it!

And as bannon is walked past the assembled media he blathers something about, "This is what happens during the last days of a dying regime." By 'last days of a dying regime' is stevo referring to the trump regime?

Also something-something "They'll never shut me up. They'll have to kill me first." Hey, stevo this isn't a movie you're in, this is real life.

At least he appears to have cleaned himself up.
It appears he wants to be a martyr. I would be fine if someone obliged him.

The video would be better with the Star Wars Empire March playing.
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Peter Navarro fails at obvious introspection, in his own book.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...arro-book-says
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...Navarro risks Trump’s ire by criticizing his actions as president, at one point devoting six pages to outlining “why a president who is supposed to be one of the greatest assessors of talent … would make such bad personnel choices across so many White House and cabinet-level positions”.
...people like you, Peter.
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Old 10th September 2022, 06:18 AM   #2096
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You can bet any statement he might issue about it will mostly be about him.

ETA: Nope, I was wrong.
But, really, you were more right than wrong because there is no *********-ing way that DJT wrote that.
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Yeah - it is so obvious when a staffer has wrote something and not Trump.
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I imaging King Charles wouldn't want Trump at the Queen's funeral anyway, because the guy would probably just stand in front of her casket for photo ops.
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I imaging King Charles wouldn't want Trump at the Queen's funeral anyway, because the guy would probably just stand in front of her casket for photo ops.
With that trademark grin that he uses in every single photo.
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I imaging King Charles wouldn't want Trump at the Queen's funeral anyway, because the guy would probably just stand in front of her casket for photo ops.
The best photos!
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With that trademark grin that he uses in every single photo.
It's starting to look like a rictus, isn't it?
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The best photos!
Perfect photos, in fact.
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It's starting to look like a rictus, isn't it?
It's as real as his tan and blond hair.
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No way did he write that. It was obviously written by a flunkie for him. This would be something he'd write:

"I'm saddened to hear that Queen Elizabeth has died. She was great. I knew her for a long time...years... and she was great. Fantastic. Wonderful woman. She said to me, "Donald, you're the best US president I've met and I've met a lot of them. You're smarter than any of the others, especially that Obama guy. What a clown." I said, "Thank you, Liz...she insisted I call her that...I feel the same." She was a queen the likes the world has never seen before. We actually dated before I met Ivanka. Nobody knows that. Nobody knows that. But it's true."


Perfect except I think the word 'saddened' would be too much for him. "I hear that the Queen died." seems more true. He wouldn't remember her name unless prompted.
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With that trademark grin that he uses in every single photo.
I wouldn't even put a "thumbs up" past him in that situation.
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I imaging King Charles wouldn't want Trump at the Queen's funeral anyway, because the guy would probably just shove other mourners out of the way to stand in front of her casket for photo ops.
He has form on this.
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No way did he write that. It was obviously written by a flunkie for him. This would be something he'd write:

"I'm saddened to hear that Queen Elizabeth has died. She was great. I knew her for a long time...years... and she was great. Fantastic. Wonderful woman. She said to me, "Donald, you're the best US president I've met and I've met a lot of them. You're smarter than any of the others, especially that Obama guy. What a clown." I said, "Thank you, Liz...she insisted I call her that...I feel the same." She was a queen the likes the world has never seen before. We actually dated before I met Ivanka. Nobody knows that. Nobody knows that. But it's true."
The bit about Ivanka just seals the deal.
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The bit about Ivanka just seals the deal.
I actually meant to write "Ivana", but either works for Trump.
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Trump wanted Justice to prosecute John Kerry.
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Back in May 2018, the Boston Globe reported that Kerry, who left public office at the end of the Obama administration, had recently engaged in “some unusual shadow diplomacy with a top-ranking Iranian official” — specifically, he’d met Iran’s foreign minister to discuss Obama’s Iran nuclear deal, which Trump was about to withdraw from.

Trump was furious about this report, tweeting on May 7 that this was “possibly illegal” for Kerry to do. Two days later, Berman claims that Justice Department officials assigned an investigation of Kerry to his US Attorney’s office, per the Times.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
No way did he write that. It was obviously written by a flunkie for him. This would be something he'd write:

"I'm saddened to hear that Queen Elizabeth has died. She was great. I knew her for a long time...years... and she was great. Fantastic. Wonderful woman. She said to me, "Donald, you're the best US president I've met and I've met a lot of them. You're smarter than any of the others, especially that Obama guy. What a clown." I said, "Thank you, Liz...she insisted I call her that...I feel the same." She was a queen the likes the world has never seen before. We actually dated before I met Ivanka. Nobody knows that. Nobody knows that. But it's true."
Um, Ivana, but maybe you were going deep into the recesses of his subconcious.
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A thought question. . .

Ok, here's the thing. . .

There is this political movement going. . .MAGA. . .and we might all argue about its value.

But my question is why are folks all on board with Trump representing the core beliefs of MAGA when every month or so he does something that diverts attention away from the progress of the movement?

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Ok, here's the thing. . .

There is this political movement going. . .MAGA. . .and we might all argue about its value.

But my question is why are folks all on board with Trump regarding the core beliefs of MAGA when every month or so he does something that diverts attention away from the progress of the movement?
I'd ask two questions in return that may answer your question. 1) What's actually driving MAGA? 2) What actually are the "core beliefs?"
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Um, Ivana, but maybe you were going deep into the recesses of his subconcious.
Correct. See two post above: #2108.
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I'd ask two questions in return that may answer your question. 1) What's actually driving MAGA? 2) What actually are the "core beliefs?"
It seems me the movement is driven by the guy down at the end of the bar whose had couple too many. One day the issue is the Muslim ban. . .then the wall. . .then taking down Bobby Lee's statute. . .then. . .

So your questions suggest that if the MACA movement ever got focused it would have to call to task its leader who distracts from the objectives by grabbing ****, acting a fool and selling out his country.
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Trump wanted Justice to prosecute John Kerry.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...j-prosecutions
Since no charges were brought, the DoJ must have concluded there was nothing illegal in what Kerry allegedly did.
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It seems me the movement is driven by the guy down at the end of the bar whose had couple too many. One day the issue is the Muslim ban. . .then the wall. . .then taking down Bobby Lee's statute. . .then. . .

So your questions suggest that if the MACA movement ever got focused it would have to call to task its leader who distracts from the objectives by grabbing ****, acting a fool and selling out his country.
My questions actually don't poke in that direction, incidentally, though your point isn't completely off track. You're poking at a symptom in the first part, after all. Perhaps the first thing that needs to be acknowledged is that MAGA is decisively NOT actually policy-based or driven. It's not an accident that the Republican platform that they tried to get Trump elected on for a second term just threw policy completely out the window. They had no platform beyond "All hail Dear Leader." They nearly won anyways.

That bring us back to those two questions, then. 1) What's actually driving MAGA? 2) What actually are the "core beliefs?"

Policy (in the more usual sense) is not actually the answer to either.
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That bring us back to those two questions, then. 1) What's actually driving MAGA? 2) What actually are the "core beliefs?"
I think the answer to both questions is "unfounded fear and outrage".
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I think the answer to both questions is "unfounded fear and outrage".
I'd grant that that's much closer. Still, "unfounded" misrepresents things a bit. There are at least grains of very real truth at the foundation of most of the fear and outrage. Without such, it would generally be very hard to latch onto, even taking absurd spin into account.

To put it a slightly different way... everyone has grievances. Everyone faces problems that matter to them. All the joking/not joking about 1st world problems sorta masks this. Emotions are somewhat hardwired into us to work on different logic than more rational or "moral" logic. The GOP, especially, has been working to amplify and exploit this emotional logic for a long time as they pretend to be "on your side," which somewhat naturally leads to ignoring actual principles or critical thinking in favor of an emotional fix (it's easy to forget that critical thinking is not at all equatable with common sense, though both do require actually thinking things through). This, in turn, also has the effect of nurturing the desire for a "strong leader" who is on one's side and can fix everything wrong (just like many religions tap into). One of the more defining "core beliefs" of MAGA is that Trump is believed to be "a strong leader who is on their side." Thus, opposing Trump is converted to opposing their "side." Holding Trump accountable? Prosecuting Trump for his manifest, brazen crimes? Not a matter of upholding law, order, and fairness, but rather of trying to attack them more personally. It's emotional logic, not rational, but that doesn't make it less persuasive for those who have either been prevented from learning to think critically from the start or have had the desire to think about it more critically eroded sufficiently.

This also plays into why so much of the "policy" pushed in relation to MAGA is just so objectively horrendous when it comes to outcomes - it's actual defense is that it provides an emotional fix.
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I'd grant that that's much closer. Still, "unfounded" misrepresents things a bit. There are at least grains of very real truth at the foundation of most of the fear and outrage. Without such, it would generally be very hard to latch onto, even taking absurd spin into account.
I was trying to be too concise, and I admit I missed the mark. I also considered "manufactured", "manipulated", and "false".

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To put it a slightly different way... everyone has grievances. Everyone faces problems that matter to them. All the joking/not joking about 1st world problems sorta masks this. Emotions are somewhat hardwired into us to work on different logic than more rational or "moral" logic. The GOP, especially, has been working to amplify and exploit this emotional logic for a long time as they pretend to be "on your side," which somewhat naturally leads to ignoring actual principles or critical thinking in favor of an emotional fix (it's easy to forget that critical thinking is not at all equatable with common sense, though both do require actually thinking things through). This, in turn, also has the effect of nurturing the desire for a "strong leader" who is on one's side and can fix everything wrong (just like many religions tap into). One of the more defining "core beliefs" of MAGA is that Trump is believed to be "a strong leader who is on their side." Thus, opposing Trump is converted to opposing their "side." Holding Trump accountable? Prosecuting Trump for his manifest, brazen crimes? Not a matter of upholding law, order, and fairness, but rather of trying to attack them more personally. It's emotional logic, not rational, but that doesn't make it less persuasive for those who have either been prevented from learning to think critically from the start or have had the need to think about it more critically eroded sufficiently.

This also plays into why so much of the policy pushed in relation to MAGA is just so objectively horrendous when it comes to outcomes - it's actual purpose is to provide an emotional fix.
You're not as lazy as me, so you hit the nuances. Politics is emotional, but the way emotion is manipulated, and of course the motivation for doing so, separates the moral from the unconscionable. The modern GOP will do anything to seize and hold power, and that's the essence of MAGA.
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Trump apparently flew, unannounced, into Dulles airport outside D.C. today.

Anyone care to speculate why?
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