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Old 13th February 2019, 05:41 AM   #481
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
Neeson was not out to find any old black person for random revenge. He made it clear he was looking only for someone who was aggressive towards him.
I love this defence. It can't be racist because he wasn't looking for any old black man, only one of the aggressive black men. The fact that they hadn't been responsible for a rape isn't apparently important. In fact, it has been suggested, when you find one of the aggressive blacks, they may as well have been the rapist because they have probably raped someone.
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Old 13th February 2019, 08:29 AM   #482
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So, why is someone being called a Pole or a Turk rather than Polish or Turkish not offensive?
Because there is no history of these terms being used widely as racial epithets to systemically harass members of that population.
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Old 13th February 2019, 08:33 AM   #483
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
Neeson was not out to find any old black person for random revenge. He made it clear he was looking only for someone who was aggressive towards him.
And George Zimmerman was looking for "suspicious" black men. Turns out, "suspicious" meant "in my neighborhood" to him.

First, it's still random. Second, I don't trust anyone to be a good judge of character when they're walking around in a rage with a weapon, looking for an excuse to use it.
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Old 13th February 2019, 02:37 PM   #484
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Originally Posted by Mumbles View Post
Simply put, taking "revenge" on a random person for having the same skin colors someone who sexually assaulted a friend, means that he can't be told that fact, or anything else likely to anger him, because he is obviously out of control.


Not sure how you can jump to that conclusion given

a) He is obviously a different bloke now he is older or he wouldn't be so ashamed of it

b) We have no idea how different peoples wants after they have been assaulted
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Old 13th February 2019, 02:38 PM   #485
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I love this defence. It can't be racist because he wasn't looking for any old black man, only one of the aggressive black men. The fact that they hadn't been responsible for a rape isn't apparently important. In fact, it has been suggested, when you find one of the aggressive blacks, they may as well have been the rapist because they have probably raped someone.
He was being racist, but in a stupid, rather than KKK way.
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Old 13th February 2019, 02:40 PM   #486
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And George Zimmerman was looking for "suspicious" black men. Turns out, "suspicious" meant "in my neighborhood" to him.

First, it's still random. Second, I don't trust anyone to be a good judge of character when they're walking around in a rage with a weapon, looking for an excuse to use it.
He admits he was an idiot and it was a one off.
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Old 13th February 2019, 03:59 PM   #487
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
He admits he was an idiot and it was a one off.
No, "murder a black guy at random" is kinda what the KKK is known for. One of their signature moves, along with "bomb a black church" and "destroy a black neighborhood". It's kinda why they were seen as a terrorist group.

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He was being racist, but in a stupid, rather than KKK way.
That's great. A lot of people are still angered by it. If you're going to tell a story that ugly about yourself, don't be shocked if people - especially people who aren't your friends or family, end up feeling disgusted about it. And again, "he was clear that he was only going to murder an aggressive black guy" has little meaning when the person so describes was clearly not acting rationally.

What, you think he wouldn't have beaten some black guy that asked him for a cigarette the "wrong" way, or who stumbled into him drunkenly or bumped him accidentally?
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Old 13th February 2019, 04:13 PM   #488
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No, "murder a black guy at random" is kinda what the KKK is known for. One of their signature moves, along with "bomb a black church" and "destroy a black neighborhood". It's kinda why they were seen as a terrorist group.
Liam Neeson is a terrorist group now! Who'da thunk it?
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Old 13th February 2019, 09:52 PM   #489
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He was being racist, but in a stupid, rather than KKK way.
Yes, I completely agree. I'm glad that we finally agree that he was being racist though.

I actually think, as others have said, that it could well be a good thing to admit to these sorts of feelings. Not good, necessarily, for Liam Neeson's career, or to the production company's of his movies, but perhaps good for people to be able to say, "I have harboured terrible thoughts, and these are probably terrible thoughts that others have had. We need to find ways of being able to admit these things and deal with them."

I don't think it is useful if the result of people admitting to things like this leads to ostracism. We'll see what happens in this case.
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Old 13th February 2019, 10:04 PM   #490
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Please do, and don't forget the 'instead of'.

I should. At this point it is almost less racist.
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Old 13th February 2019, 10:11 PM   #491
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
Very, very different ... how exactly, in this context?
In the US it is nasty. In the UK it is just bantz.
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Old 14th February 2019, 02:47 AM   #492
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No, "murder a black guy at random" is kinda what the KKK is known for. One of their signature moves, along with "bomb a black church" and "destroy a black neighborhood". It's kinda why they were seen as a terrorist group.
It was not random as you suggest.

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That's great. A lot of people are still angered by it. If you're going to tell a story that ugly about yourself, don't be shocked if people - especially people who aren't your friends or family, end up feeling disgusted about it. And again, "he was clear that he was only going to murder an aggressive black guy" has little meaning when the person so describes was clearly not acting rationally.
I am also shocked and disgusted by what he said. The difference is that I am not going to condemn him outright as a racist and hope his career is over.

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What, you think he wouldn't have beaten some black guy that asked him for a cigarette the "wrong" way, or who stumbled into him drunkenly or bumped him accidentally?
I don't know if he would have actually gone through with his plan or not.
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Old 14th February 2019, 04:59 AM   #493
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I am also shocked and disgusted by what he said.

As is Liam Neeson himself.


Apparently, the pitchfork carriers don't think there is any statute of limitations on behavior that was in any way racist, nor any extenuating circumstances under which it could be forgiven, even if that behavior never manifested itself in any actual words or deeds that were visible to any other human being.
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Old 14th February 2019, 05:10 AM   #494
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Liam Neeson is a terrorist group now! Who'da thunk it?
He certainly sees himself as some kind of Rambo.
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Old 14th February 2019, 05:15 AM   #495
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Yes, I completely agree. I'm glad that we finally agree that he was being racist though.

I actually think, as others have said, that it could well be a good thing to admit to these sorts of feelings. Not good, necessarily, for Liam Neeson's career, or to the production company's of his movies, but perhaps good for people to be able to say, "I have harboured terrible thoughts, and these are probably terrible thoughts that others have had. We need to find ways of being able to admit these things and deal with them."

I don't think it is useful if the result of people admitting to things like this leads to ostracism. We'll see what happens in this case.

No, no, please, spare us. I am sure we have all had the unedifying experience of people mouthing off about spades, yids, fenians, wops, pakis, dagos and poofs, etc.

I for one would rather they keep their 'terrible thoughts' to themselves, thanks.
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Old 14th February 2019, 05:17 AM   #496
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As is Liam Neeson himself.


Apparently, the pitchfork carriers don't think there is any statute of limitations on behavior that was in any way racist, nor any extenuating circumstances under which it could be forgiven, even if that behavior never manifested itself in any actual words or deeds that were visible to any other human being.
Er, he roamed the streets with an offensive weapon. That's illegal in the UK.

Blamed it on his 'primeval urges'.

Purleese.
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As is Liam Neeson himself.


Apparently, the pitchfork carriers don't think there is any statute of limitations on behavior that was in any way racist, nor any extenuating circumstances under which it could be forgiven, even if that behavior never manifested itself in any actual words or deeds that were visible to any other human being.
Now, won't anyone come forward and talk about experiences of racism in their past?

For, uhm...healing, yeah.
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Old 15th February 2019, 03:21 AM   #498
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It was not random as you suggest.
Again, you're assuming that the guy who is so enraged that he's prowling around with a weapon just looking for an excuse to beat a black guy to death, is also going to rationally consider every possible reason for a given black guy's behavior, and only beat them to death if they've clearly become aggressive towards him without cause.

That's absurd.

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I am also shocked and disgusted by what he said. The difference is that I am not going to condemn him outright as a racist and hope his career is over.
But many people will, regardless of what you or I have to say on it. At the very least, I know the host of The Black Guy who Tips podcast said outright that he would not go see his latest movie now because of this.

Will I go see it? No, it's not part of the MCU. Maybe I'll see it when I can watch it at home.
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Man, people sure have a way of getting triggered when essentially nothing happened.
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Man, people sure have a way of getting triggered when essentially nothing happened.
Hopefully Neeson's publicist will remind him of this truth, the next time he's considering a public confession.
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It can be his next film, playing a well liked widower who then said something stupid during an interview and he has to flee for his life into the wilderness, where he meets that wolf who was after him from that other film.
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