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Old 17th March 2019, 05:47 AM   #3481
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
You received without paying; give without pay. 9 Acquire no gold or silver or copper for your belts,

this has nothing to do with the love of money. He doesn't want to see any money at all.
Incorrect. What did they receive without paying? Well, they received the ability to heal the sick, cast out demons, and raise the dead. It was those 3 abilities they were strictly forbidden to charge for. It was those 3 abilities they were charged with taking to the people. And by people, he meant only the Jews. Samaritans and everyone else, can go pound sand.

He did not want to see his 12 disciples profiting off of gifts he gave them. It wasn't a blanket ban on earning money. Paul was a notorious fundraisers, giving instructions to various churches that they were to set aside some of that filthy money from their normal donations for him when he came to town so they wouldn't have to fleece the flock any more than they were currently doing.
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Old 17th March 2019, 07:12 AM   #3482
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
He doesn't want to see any money at all.
So was Jesus lying when he said that the laborer deserves his wages or are you? Is Jesus rotting in hell for the sin of lying?
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Old Yesterday, 06:27 AM   #3483
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
You received without paying; give without pay. 9 Acquire no gold or silver or copper for your belts,

this has nothing to do with the love of money. He doesn't want to see any money at all.
It's funny, we can always tell when some claimant knows they're cooked. They cut back to only posting once a day. It limits the number of times they can be shown to be wrong on this board.

You're cooked, Gaetan. We know you're wrong, you know you're wrong, the sex workers know you're wrong and you even posted proof from your bible that you're wrong. Every time you post, I'll remind you that you're wrong.

I hope your healing can now begin.
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Old Yesterday, 10:30 AM   #3484
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
You received without paying; give without pay. 9 Acquire no gold or silver or copper for your belts,

this has nothing to do with the love of money. He doesn't want to see any money at all.
Gaetan,

In the passage you cite, Jesus is clearly giving instructions to his disciples. It was not instructions on how people were to live.

If you want to get literal, Jesus never said you could have a vacation to Hawaii, yet it seems clear to me that you desire such a trip.

You are twisting the Bible verses to fit your narratives but you are hypocritical about following them yourself.
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Old Today, 12:19 PM   #3485
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Gaetan,

In the passage you cite, Jesus is clearly giving instructions to his disciples. It was not instructions on how people were to live.

If you want to get literal, Jesus never said you could have a vacation to Hawaii, yet it seems clear to me that you desire such a trip.

You are twisting the Bible verses to fit your narratives but you are hypocritical about following them yourself.
You also received the teaching of Jesus as the apostles then you received without paying and you shall give without pay. outside that the gift received by Jesus was not gift given by person healed but by people who can afford to give gifts. This is clear that work has to be free of charge. Bargains are the way devils makes business not God
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Old Today, 12:41 PM   #3486
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
You also received the teaching of Jesus as the apostles then you received without paying and you shall give without pay.
Give what "without pay", " the teaching of Jesus"? I can't recall ever charging anyone for whatever I've heard of Jesus.



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outside that the gift received by Jesus was not gift given by person healed but by people who can afford to give gifts. This is clear that work has to be free of charge.
Nope, as one of your purported "teaching of Jesus" is "the laborer deserves his wages", which I now return to you "free of charge".

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Bargains are the way devils makes business not God
Agreeing to work for someone "without pay" and someone accepting you to do so is still striking a bargain.
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Old Today, 01:21 PM   #3487
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
You also received the teaching of Jesus as the apostles then you received without paying and you shall give without pay. outside that the gift received by Jesus was not gift given by person healed but by people who can afford to give gifts. This is clear that work has to be free of charge. Bargains are the way devils makes business not God
Gaetan, Jesus' teaching and healing is free. Salvation is free and Jesus sent his disciples out to do his work (for free).

But as for regular people who work, they are expected to receive wages. Look at this parable:

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The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.

3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.

“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’

7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.

“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’

8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’

9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
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Old Today, 01:27 PM   #3488
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Old Today, 02:22 PM   #3489
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Jesus saves, the pope invests and imbeciles believe in fairy tales.
They say Jésus is God but they don't put in practice what he says, they prefer to put in practice the teaching of Satan.
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Old Today, 02:29 PM   #3490
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
They say Jésus is God but they don't put in practice what he says, they prefer to put in practice the teaching of Satan.
Is it ok to charge for that?

Remember, Jesus said that the laborer deserves his wages. A person would be lying to say otherwise.
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Old Today, 02:54 PM   #3491
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
You also received the teaching of Jesus as the apostles then you received without paying and you shall give without pay. outside that the gift received by Jesus was not gift given by person healed but by people who can afford to give gifts. This is clear that work has to be free of charge. Bargains are the way devils makes business not God
What does it mean in Timothy 5:18 "The worker deserves his wages."?
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Old Today, 03:06 PM   #3492
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They say Jésus is God but they don't put in practice what he says, they prefer to put in practice the teaching of Satan.
Your credibility goes south the minute you assert that your imaginary friend proves that you're right.

Want to comment on the most recent no-money wetdream, Cambodia under the Rouge?
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Old Today, 05:44 PM   #3493
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
They say Jésus is God but they don't put in practice what he says, they prefer to put in practice the teaching of Satan.
Who is charging for raising the dead or casting out demons? I'm not sure how to tell you this, but the dead haven't been raised and demons aren't being cast out since they don't exist. Since it can't be done, the most you can do is get paid for is interactive theater.
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Old Today, 05:52 PM   #3494
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
You also received the teaching of Jesus as the apostles then you received without paying and you shall give without pay. outside that the gift received by Jesus was not gift given by person healed but by people who can afford to give gifts. This is clear that work has to be free of charge. Bargains are the way devils makes business not God
I don't charge for teaching the bible. If I did, you would owe me.

The prohibition was against those specific 12 disciples against taking money for specific tasks. It was not, as others have pointed out, a prohibition against earning a living as Jesus clearly stated in other parables.

Paul, one of those 12, was clearly hitting up various churches for cash money. So it wasn't even a flat prohibition against the 12 to earning any money.

No bargains? So the rainbow, the promised land, all bargains from the devil?
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Old Today, 05:56 PM   #3495
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What does it mean in Timothy 5:18 "The worker deserves his wages."?
I found this:

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The actual quote, "The laborer deserves his wages" reinforces Paul's teaching that elders who work hard are to be paid for their efforts (1 Timothy 5:17).
https://www.bibleref.com/1-Timothy/5...othy-5-18.html

What say you now Gaetan? Clearly the Bible doesn't say people should not receive wages?
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Old Today, 06:38 PM   #3496
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Originally Posted by Joecool View Post
I found this:

What say you now Gaetan? Clearly the Bible doesn't say people should not receive wages?
This is not money, that's what it is:

And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages.

Your work gets paid by what the others provide to you,. That what i say since the beginning. You work free of charge and you get what others provide to you free of charge.
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This is not money, that's what it is:

And remain in the same house, eating and drinking what they provide, for the laborer deserves his wages.

Your work gets paid by what the others provide to you,. That what i say since the beginning. You work free of charge and you get what others provide to you free of charge.
"... for the laborer deserves his wages."

Thank you for confirming Jesus says to use money.
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Originally Posted by Little 10 Toes View Post
"... for the laborer deserves his wages."

Thank you for confirming Jesus says to use money.
It cannot be money because he says that:

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It is what they provide free of charge. Well come to hell unbelievers

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Jesus told the twelve/seventy-two that. No one else.
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Jesus told the twelve/seventy-two that. No one else.
He told that to you too because we wouldn't know it
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He did not. He specifically told the twelve/seventy-two. You have quoted the bible.
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Originally Posted by Little 10 Toes View Post
He did not. He specifically told the twelve/seventy-two. You have quoted the bible.
No what Jesus taught is for everybody not only for the 12
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