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Old 15th April 2009, 12:15 AM   #201
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Skeptic is keeping out of the Politics forum I see. I wonder why?
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Old 15th April 2009, 07:17 AM   #202
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Governor Patterson of New York is going to introduce a same sex marriage bill to the state legislature this week. If it passes 19 million folks will be forced into same sex marriages!
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Governor Patterson of New York is going to introduce a same sex marriage bill to the state legislature this week. If it passes 19 million folks will be forced into same sex marriages!


thats a conspiracy of the wedding lobby......
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Originally Posted by Dictator Cheney View Post


thats a conspiracy of the wedding lobby......
Well if the U.S. would just allow gays to get married the massive growth of the wedding industry would end the recession by June (wedding season, of course).
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Originally Posted by Alt+F4 View Post
Well if the U.S. would just allow gays to get married the massive growth of the wedding industry would end the recession by June (wedding season, of course).
but they will pay less taxes when married
and the people working for the wedding industry and make more than 250k a year will have swiss bank accounts and evade taxation...

you are doomed
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Old 15th April 2009, 01:56 PM   #207
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but they will pay less taxes when married
I'm starting to think this whole thing is a conspiracy regarding Social Security! When one spouse in a married couple who are collecting Social Security dies, the surviving spouse get the higher of the two checks. For single folks collecting Social Security, the payments just end when they die. Hmmm.
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Originally Posted by Alt+F4 View Post
Well if the U.S. would just allow gays to get married the massive growth of the wedding industry would end the recession by June (wedding season, of course).
Well given the commitment ceremony I am going to attend next month had a invitation that came is a package as a box, it would seem likely.
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Old 15th April 2009, 05:41 PM   #209
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Skeptic stopped posting here because he has no rational argument. Every argument he's made has been fallacy and fabrication. I suspect he's against gay marriage because of the reason most anti-gaymarriage people are against it.

These people do not want to see gay people be happy. The mere labeling of a legally bound gay couple as married helps to bring acceptance to homosexuality in society. It lessens the stigmatization associated with being homosexual. It does send a message that it's ok for people to be homosexual. This, in turn, makes it easier for gay people to be happy and open in society with less fear of retribution from the general public. Such things are unacceptable to those like Skeptic. They don't want homosexuals to be allowed to be happy.

In short, they hate homosexuals and don't want them to be happy.
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Old 16th April 2009, 05:42 AM   #210
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That's what I was thinking too. While I'm no constitutional scholar, I don't recall any mention of any kind of marriage in the whole eight pages. I don't think there were many restrictions, or advantages either, in the 1770s. Marriages were performed by your religious leader, and not hardly ever dissolved. State legalities were only invented to raise the possibility of taxation. Hmm, I suspect looking up early divorces might be the way to investigate the legalities of early marriages?
Nope, wrong, sorry. The Puritans of New England treated marriage is a purely civil contract, officiated by a magistrate, not a clergyman, and if either party was found to be in breach of contract, the contract could be canceled.

Note that the other colonies had their own views on marriage, which may explain to some extent why the Constitution is silent on the subject, as was federal law until the DOMA. Very simply, the precise nature of the institution of marriage was left to the states, which means that if a state chooses to recognize same-sex marriage, it is on constitutionally firmer ground than the DOMA.
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Old 16th April 2009, 06:33 AM   #211
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Perhaps it will fail and the courts will manage to force gay marriage on the public. But it is quite clear that no compromise is possible.
Why should you compromise when your opponent is the one who's wrong? I mean, cripes, this from a guy who bangs on and on about how Israel shouldn't have to budge an inch when it comes to the Palestinians, but when he finds himself on the losing side of an issue, then he discovers the concept of compromise. that, I say.
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Old 16th April 2009, 09:48 AM   #212
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Originally Posted by Tin Foil Timothy View Post
Skeptic is keeping out of the Politics forum I see. I wonder why?
Maybe he's locked himself in the closet?
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Old 19th April 2009, 04:03 PM   #213
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maybe he's locked himself in the closet?
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Old 25th April 2009, 02:15 PM   #215
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Skeptic's Back!!
Looking forward to his input in this thread!!!
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Old 25th April 2009, 11:30 PM   #216
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Skeptic's Back!!
Looking forward to his input in this thread!!!
Skeptic is conveniently ignoring his own thread.
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Old 26th April 2009, 05:32 AM   #217
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It's hard to acknowledge one's own prejudices, especially if one takes on the mantle of a skeptic so much as to also take it on as a name.
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Old 26th April 2009, 08:27 AM   #218
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It's hard to acknowledge one's own prejudices, especially if one takes on the mantle of a skeptic so much as to also take it on as a name.
Skeptic's bigotry has been there for all to see for a long time - it's just that (on this board, anyway) being a bigot against homosexuals is considered universally unacceptable, but bigotry against Arabs and Muslims often gets a pass.
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Old 26th April 2009, 11:19 PM   #219
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...becuse it doesn't matter what people want, the courts will magically find a "right" to gay marriage in the Constitution.

Since it is crystal clear the courts simply do not care, and will simply decide any law against gay marriage is "unconstitutional", the only way for the people to have any say in the matter -- since, clearly, any laws they pass counts for nothing as far as the courts are concerned -- would be to amend the Constitution to explicitly ban gay marriage.

Perhaps it will fail and the courts will manage to force gay marriage on the public. But it is quite clear that no compromise is possible.

Please elaborate...
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Please elaborate...
First he needs to substantiate...in BOTH senses of the word.
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...becuse it doesn't matter what people want, the courts will magically find a "right" to gay marriage in the Constitution.

Since it is crystal clear the courts simply do not care, and will simply decide any law against gay marriage is "unconstitutional", the only way for the people to have any say in the matter -- since, clearly, any laws they pass counts for nothing as far as the courts are concerned -- would be to amend the Constitution to explicitly ban gay marriage.

Perhaps it will fail and the courts will manage to force gay marriage on the public. But it is quite clear that no compromise is possible.
No member of the public will be forced to marry a gay person.If gays want to get married,good luckto them.Live and let live.
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...becuse it doesn't matter what people want, the courts will magically find a "right" to gay marriage in the Constitution.

Since it is crystal clear the courts simply do not care, and will simply decide any law against gay marriage is "unconstitutional", the only way for the people to have any say in the matter -- since, clearly, any laws they pass counts for nothing as far as the courts are concerned -- would be to amend the Constitution to explicitly ban gay marriage.

Perhaps it will fail and the courts will manage to force gay marriage on the public. But it is quite clear that no compromise is possible.
You're poorly informed. Even here in Vermont, the courts did not find a constitutional right to anything but equal protection. When the original suit that led to the civil union law was settled, the court said only that gay couples and families should not be denied the possibility of obtaining the civil benefits of marriage, under the equal protection clause. The court left the question of how that might be accomplished entirely up to the legislature, which passed the civil union law, and some years later, the marriage law. Civil union satisfied the court. No judicial magic here. The magic here was in the will of the people, expressed through their representatives.
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I am so sick and tired of the gay marriage debate. Let the fags get married. Who cares??? Let them discover the joys of divorce.





























Fags is not used in a derogatory fashion, it is a term of endearment.
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I am so sick and tired of the gay marriage debate. Let the fags get married. Who cares??? Let them discover the joys of divorce.

While your phrasing -regardless of that pithy disingenuous disclaimer at the bottom of your page - is crap, I agree with the sentiment.
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Do gays use the word fag????
Rarely, in my experience.
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Rarely, in my experience.
Dan Savage does in his podcast a lot.
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Rarely, in my experience.
Well then you should come to NYC. It's not so rare
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Dan Savage does in his podcast a lot.
Perhaps it is not a midwest thing, which is my experience.
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Perhaps it is not a midwest thing, which is my experience.
As alluded to above, I think it's a little like tne N-word, in that the in-group uses it amongst themselves, but that doesn't give outsiders carte blanch to use it. I'm bisexual and even I wouldn't call gays "fag".
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As alluded to above, I think it's a little like tne N-word, in that the in-group uses it amongst themselves, but that doesn't give outsiders carte blanch to use it. I'm bisexual and even I wouldn't call gays "fag".
Quite. It depends on the group as well, but it is part of that whole "reclaiming" thing.

Only British hets get away with using fag.
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Rarely, in my experience.
In mine as well, and then only jokingly.
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Fags is not used in a derogatory fashion, it is a term of endearment.
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Quite. It depends on the group as well, but it is part of that whole "reclaiming" thing.

Only British hets get away with using fag.

hets?
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Most of my gay friends use "fag" all the time. Usually accompanied by "raging" or "dirty". They're kinda weird like that.
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Heterosexuals.
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Most homosexuals I know do use the word "fag" however, they don't appreciate the term being used about them by non-homosexuals. Yes, it's not logical, but since they find it offensive, I don't use the word myself.
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Skeptic stopped posting here because he has no rational argument. Every argument he's made has been fallacy and fabrication. I suspect he's against gay marriage because of the reason most anti-gaymarriage people are against it.
Oh, nonsense. I can't say I'm surpised -- this sort of ad hominem is the usual sort of "psychoanalysis" of those who disagree with the "progressive" left about someting: they don't agree with ME, so they must be evil or stupid, or mentally unstable (e.g., in this case, "homophobe" or "closet homosexual" or "in denial" or something).

To the point, and ignoring the usual ad hominem, the problem is that it is obvious that the pro-gay-marriage will not stop at having the people decide if to recognize gay marriage or not. It will be invented as a "Constitutional right" and these folks will go directly to the courts, the people be damned.

Since the courts recently see themselves, not as upholders of the law, but as maverick leaders who need to show the benighted masses what magical "rights" the Constitution REALLY has in it -- such as the "right" to abortion, to gay marriage, etc. (these are special clothes, I mean Constitutional rights: only wise men can see them), the only way to stop such a thing is to amend the Constitution itself to explicitly disallow such nonsense.
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Since the courts recently see themselves, not as upholders of the law, but as maverick leaders who need to show the benighted masses what magical "rights" the Constitution REALLY has in it -- such as the "right" to abortion, to gay marriage, etc. (these are special clothes, I mean Constitutional rights: only wise men can see them), the only way to stop such a thing is to amend the Constitution itself to explicitly disallow such nonsense.
So you are for unfair discrimination against a group that has no benefit to anyone, as long as it is sufficiently popular? You can strip any group of rights as long as there is no specific constitutional protection for them having those rights with a simple majority vote?
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