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Old Yesterday, 03:36 PM   #721
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Originally Posted by Cris View Post
Another thing is an acquired talent
study and work, which is therefore a property of the
which of course is allowed to take advantage. But mediumship does not
It is neither an art nor a talent, so it cannot become a profession.

It's just my opinion.
And yet, people make tons of money from it.
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Old Yesterday, 03:36 PM   #722
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Originally Posted by Cris View Post
I'm from Portugal
I'm using google translator
I can't write much.
Understood, but you might want to find a forum in your native language that will let you communicate easier.
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Old Yesterday, 03:37 PM   #723
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
You're bouncing between incompatible arguments. Your first argument was that mediums, like Jesus, shouldn't charge money to help people. This sort of implies that the help is genuine. Now you've inexplicably changed horses and are arguing that since mediumship carries a high risk of failure, it is unconscionable to take money for it. This implies that the help is ineffective if not outright fraudulent. What's your real argument?
it was a translation error.
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Old Yesterday, 03:37 PM   #724
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Originally Posted by isissxn View Post
Okay, how general should it be? And should it be about the future or the present?
The more general the question, the easier it will be to relate the images to your circumstances.

Originally Posted by isissxn View Post
Could I say something like, "Will my life improve after I finish getting this degree?"
That's perfect. Do you want to run with that?
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Old Yesterday, 03:39 PM   #725
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Originally Posted by Cris View Post
mediumship cannot become a profession. that is my opinion.
That's not an opinion; it's an allegation of fact. It is roundly refuted by the plain observation that professional mediums abound.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
And yet, people make tons of money from it.
This happens a lot in American culture. Unfortunately. it has to be used for charity.
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Old Yesterday, 03:40 PM   #727
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Originally Posted by Cris View Post
it was a translation error.
No, it can't be. You're deploying two entirely dissimilar arguments.
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Originally Posted by Cris View Post
This happens a lot in American culture. Unfortunately. it has to be used for charity.
It happens a lot all over the world.
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Originally Posted by Cris View Post
This happens a lot in American culture. Unfortunately. it has to be used for charity.
No, it doesn't. There are people who make their living as mediums, and not just in the United States. They keep the money and use it for themselves.
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
That's not an opinion; it's an allegation of fact. It is roundly refuted by the plain observation that professional mediums abound.
this is sad.
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Old Yesterday, 03:47 PM   #731
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
No, it doesn't. There are people who make their living as mediums, and not just in the United States. They keep the money and use it for themselves.
opportunity for Quackery.
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Originally Posted by Cris View Post
this is sad.
Agreed, insofar as it relies on deception and creates a detrimental reliance, or is otherwise predatory. But as I said, if you treat it like stage magic and are entertained by the performance, I see no ethical problem with paying for that service.
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Old Yesterday, 04:00 PM   #733
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
Understood, but you might want to find a forum in your native language that will let you communicate easier.
I was born in Portugal in Europe, but now I'm living in Brazil.
In Brazil and Portugal the skepticism forums do not have good quality like this one.
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Old Yesterday, 04:02 PM   #734
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
Agreed, insofar as it relies on deception and creates a detrimental reliance, or is otherwise predatory. But as I said, if you treat it like stage magic and are entertained by the performance, I see no ethical problem with paying for that service.
what is mediumship for you?
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Cris, this is a quotation. Please give us the source, a link if it is online, or the name of the book or article if it is not online.
It was my interpretation of a text.
sorry, it was a mistake translating google translator.

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Old Yesterday, 04:14 PM   #736
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Originally Posted by Cris View Post
Another thing is an acquired talent
study and work, which is therefore a property of the
which of course is allowed to take advantage. But mediumship does not
It is neither an art nor a talent, so it cannot become a profession.

It's just my opinion.
It is neither an art nor a talent because it isn't real and doesn't exist under anything resembling testable conditions. People shouldn't charge for it because it's made-up nonsense and BS.

If it did exist, mediums could still charge for it, I think. People would be taking up their time, and it would probably be rather emotionally draining talking to ghosts all day. Why shouldn't they be compensated?

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Old Yesterday, 04:17 PM   #737
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
The more general the question, the easier it will be to relate the images to your circumstances.

That's perfect. Do you want to run with that?
All right, let's do it! Tarot time.
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Originally Posted by isissxn View Post
It is neither an art nor a talent because it isn't real and doesn't exist under anything resembling testable conditions. People shouldn't charge for it because it's made-up nonsense and BS.

If it did exist, mediums could still charge for it, I think. People would be taking up their time, and it would probably be rather emotionally draining talking to ghosts all day. Why shouldn't they be compensated?
what is your definition of ghosts and spirits?
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Old Yesterday, 04:29 PM   #739
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Originally Posted by isissxn View Post
All right, let's do it! Tarot time.
I'll try to remember to do the reading tonight, after work.
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Originally Posted by Cris View Post
what is your definition of ghosts and spirits?

You alredy asked this and got two or three answers, in two or three different conversations.


Why are you repeating questions? Do you hope for answers that agree better with your beliefs?


What is your definition of ghosts and spirits?
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Originally Posted by Cris View Post
what is mediumship for you?
In the abstract, mediumship is the claim to interact with supernatural beings, most often the spirits of the dead. No, I don't believe there are people who can really accomplish this. I believe they're all faking it. But the ability to fake it well can have value as entertainment. And, in fact, commercially successful mediums in the United States bill their services as entertainment only, whether the audience chooses to believe it or not. In terms of what I'm personally willing to pay for, this doesn't seem immoral. I would consider it an unfair trade only if the "medium" weren't very skilled at faking the interaction with spirits.

In contrast, this thread is largely the discussion of what factors lead to less morally acceptable things like deception and preying on vulnerable people. And those familiar with the industry are telling us there's a lot of that. No, I don't approve morally of making one's living by deceiving others.
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Geniuses are born with better brains...should they not make money from this skill?

Michael Jordan was born with better genes to play basketball than the rest of us, should he not make money from this skill?

Mediums were born....just like the rest of us. They have no skills. I rescind my argument.
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Old Yesterday, 07:07 PM   #743
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Originally Posted by Cris View Post
what is your definition of ghosts and spirits?
I don't believe in either. In my post, I was using "ghost" to mean "spirit of dead person," but I don't think that is a real thing.
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Originally Posted by Cris View Post
I quoted Jesus, just as an example.
The medium should use this gift to help people for free. You should never require money to help people.
Then how is the "helper" supposed to pay for a place to sleep for the night? To pay for breakfast?

Do you pay your doctor to diagnose and cure your illnesses? Or is he supposed to do it for free?

Please apply a modicum of thinking before spouting your random oracular pronouncements.
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