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5th November 2019, 11:50 AM | #41 |
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5th November 2019, 12:11 PM | #42 |
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This is a problem. I have no issue with with cops finding 39 dead people and having a stab in the dark that they were chinese. It is statiscally likely and I am damned if I could distinguish one east asian from the next. That is not racist, that is reality. I am pretty sure they could not distinguish one pasty white bloke from the next. That is not in any way racist either. It is simply a matter of fact and not racism. The mere fact that I struggle to tell a korean from a chinese does not mean I am being racist. It means I am struggling with a culture not my own.
I am told that Koreans can spot Japanese and vice versa. Like hell. To me they are all people. |
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I think that it is too extreme to call someone who goes with the most common nationality of a certain race, racist.
Racism implies a hate, bias, discrimination or antagonism and that some are more superior to others. Initial misidentification of a person's nationality implies none of those things. |
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I agree. I think it's insulting to people who really do experience actual racism on a daily basis to claim that simply mistaking someone's nationality or ethnic origin from their appearance is "racist". I've been taken for Dutch or German several times when travelling on the continent and while that's slightly embarrassing (as my facility with these languages is rudimentary) it never occurred to me to consider myself the victim of racism! |
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I have been assumed to be;
German in Germany and Switzerland. English in Scotland Scottish in England English in Austria Australian and Irish in the USA I never once though of the person who made the error as being racist. |
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That is not what Rolfe claimed at all. She never once equated her nationality being mistaken as "the same" as an official police force misidentifying the nationality of those poor souls on that lorry.
What Rolfe, if I may speak for her, was addressing was the incorrect assertion that ones nationality being misidentified is inherently racist. |
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I was once in Ieper during the Cat Festival, and went to buy some chocolate in a shop in the Grote Markt. Ahead of me in the queue were some Japanese tourists (which I based on their native speech as much as their looks), who the shop assistant addressed in English, and a French woman who the assistant addressed in French. When she came to serve me, she paused momentarily, and addressed me in Flemish.
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When someone in Germany (or Switzerland) comes up to me and speaks to me in German, they are assuming I am German. When an Austrian refers to me as English, they have assumed I am English. Same with the Americans who admitted they thought I was Irish or Australian. You are dodging my point. It is not racist to get someone's nationality wrong. |
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I was at a museum shop in Reykjavik where I heard the Icelandic staff speak to each other in English. One had learned their English with an American accent. The other sounded more Icelandic. I went up with my purchase and was addressed in Icelandic.
Most Latvians can speak Latvian, Russian and English, especially those who work in tourist areas such as Riga old town and Jurmala. They were spot on and always addressed us in English. |
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Yeah, several times I've been asked directions in Holland by people who assumed I was local. Sometimes they were even speaking Dutch. Embarrassing to try to explain that while I sort of understood the question I had no idea about where they wanted to go and couldn't possibly have directed them in Dutch even if I had. I've often been taken for German when visiting other European countries, especially where there are mixed groups of tourists around. I didn't think of reporting them for a hate crime, mind you. |
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If you visit a foreign country and you walk into a local shop, when the assistant addresses you in their local language, no, they are not thinking you are German or one of them. I promise you, they have a hundred and one different things to think about than some sundry customer wandering in.
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What nonsense you spout. If you want to know what racist hate against Germans is, then ask any German who might have spent the post-war years as a young school boy (as someone I know did) in London or a German who's lived in England any length of time and they'll tell you all about anti-German hostility.
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Hang on, if I'm the one being mistaken for a race/nationality I don't belong to, wasn't the premise that this was racist against me? (No it's not.) And my point was that having someone innocently mistake me for German is not racist hate, and it is insulting to those (such as the boy you refer to) who are the victims of actual racist hate. |
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If you are in Holland why wouldn't they ask directions in Dutch?
Perhaps it's they way you speak and they think you are foreign. Everywhere I go, as soon as I open my mouth they know instantly I am English. It's an accent renowned the world over, thanks to corny James Bond or Hugh Grant films. I've had a cab driver proudly show me his Man U football shirt no sooner had I got into his taxi. My then sixteen-year-old son was literally mobbed everywhere we went in the USA, with a couple of girls actually grappling him to the ground as soon as they discovered he was English. A sort of Prince Harry/William substitute. (He had a striking resemblance.) |
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