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Old 27th December 2017, 05:42 PM   #1521
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
My point was that we don’t know it is many.

Distance could also mean distance from say a parent, the parent may have lived 2 miles away but if they moved to the new property that now becomes 5 miles, what was perhaps a walk becomes a bus ride away.

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Here is one idea. Draw a grid 3X3 around the fire. Tell the residence to select 4 of the squares in the grid and whatever squares they select housing will be found in one of the squares. If they do not like the accommodation they cannot complain about the location as long as it is in one of the squares they have selected.
Edit. This way if a person wants to move north then they select the northern squares. You could even give them two 3X3 grids. The two grids being at 45 degrees to each other and the residences have a choice of what grid they use.

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Old 28th December 2017, 03:24 AM   #1522
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
Separate entrance for the lower classes. A fine old tradition being resurrected.

Can't have 'em coming in through the front door and having the neighbors think you consort with that sort of folk.

Think of the scandal.
As I said, it's better to look at them as two separate buildings/developments/whatever that just happen to be next-door to each other (and maybe share a few walls). The high-end side is owned and/or managed by a completely separate entity to the social housing part, which will usually be either the local or another borough, or a housing association. In this case, although it's in Kensington & Chelsea, the social housing part of the development is owned and managed by the City of London Corporation, which has various bits of social housing outside of the Square Mile itself. In that context it makes sense to have clear demarkation between the two sides, and as little shared space/facilities as possible.

As I also said, it's not uncommon in London to have social housing in affluent areas. You can literally have social housing alongside or within a couple of minutes walk of houses or apartments worth millions. If it works, this Google Streetview shows a case in point a bit further down the scale. This is Springbank Road in Hither Green, Lewisham. The side-streets on the right are mostly Edwardian terraces, originally built for the lower middle and the skilled working classes, but which now sell in the region of £600k (US$800k). On the right is one of the entrances to Hither Green railway station. Naturally, proximity to a rail or Underground station had a marked positive effect on property prices. Beyond the station is the original station-master' house, but behind that is a small block of social housing units managed by a housing association, built a couple of years ago.

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Old 28th December 2017, 03:26 AM   #1523
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
Separate entrance for the lower classes. A fine old tradition being resurrected.

Can't have 'em coming in through the front door and having the neighbors think you consort with that sort of folk.

Think of the scandal.
To be fair in London we have modernised, like the USA it is not any longer about class but about wealth! Still not nice.
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Old Yesterday, 11:53 AM   #1524
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Residents of tower with Grenfell-style cladding told they must foot £2m bill

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e_iOSApp_Other

“Terrified” residents of a housing complex clad in similar flammable panels to Grenfell tower are facing a bill of £2m to make their homes safe after the building’s owner said it was not its responsibility to pay.

Leaseholders are fighting the charge of up to £31,300 per flat, which could be levied as early as March.

Freehold isa owned by Proxima GR Properties which is owned by the Tchenguiz family trust, of which Vincent Tchenguiz is a beneficiary.

Tchenguiz, 61, is believed to be worth hundreds of millions of pounds and last year bought a new 165-foot superyacht moored in the Mediterranean called Da Vinci. He is said to own 300,000 freeholds in the UK, including 10 Hilton hotels. His spokesman declined to comment.
“Terrified” residents of a housing complex clad in similar flammable panels to Grenfell tower are facing a bill of £2m to make their homes safe after the building’s owner said it was not its responsibility to pay.
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Old Yesterday, 12:59 PM   #1525
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^ just read that myself. Breathtaking.
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Old Yesterday, 01:11 PM   #1526
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Wait, so does this guy own the stuff, or does the Trust own the stuff?

Are people asking this guy to pay out of his own pocket? Or are they asking the Trust to pay?
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Old Yesterday, 01:20 PM   #1527
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Originally Posted by rjh01 View Post
Here is one idea. Draw a grid 3X3 around the fire.......
What units?
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Old Yesterday, 01:25 PM   #1528
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
What units?
Grenfell Towers. So the resulting square would be 9GTs in area.
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Old Yesterday, 01:36 PM   #1529
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There would be hardly any buildings at all in such a square. I'll take rjh01's answer, thanks.
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Old Yesterday, 01:58 PM   #1530
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
There would be hardly any buildings at all in such a square. I'll take rjh01's answer, thanks.
Clearly you know more about it than I do. What units do you think would be necessary, for rjh01's plan to work as you understand it? Would a 9 square mile grid work? A 9 kilometer square? 3 furlongs by 3 furlongs? 1.5 half-dozen hogsheads?

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Old Yesterday, 01:59 PM   #1531
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Kilometres, perhaps. Miles more likely.
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Old Yesterday, 02:16 PM   #1532
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Clearly you know more about it than I do. What units do you think would be necessary, for rjh01's plan to work as you understand it? Would a 9 square mile grid work? A 9 kilometer square? 3 furlongs by 3 furlongs? 1.5 half-dozen hogsheads?
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Kilometres, perhaps. Miles more likely.
The actual unit size is not important. Just so that enough housing can be found within that area for everyone. The idea is that some people would rather move south than north. Great, so find a place for them that is south. Give that place that is north to someone who wants to move north. Ditto for east and west.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Residents of tower with Grenfell-style cladding told they must foot £2m bill

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e_iOSApp_Other

“Terrified” residents of a housing complex clad in similar flammable panels to Grenfell tower are facing a bill of £2m to make their homes safe after the building’s owner said it was not its responsibility to pay.

Leaseholders are fighting the charge of up to £31,300 per flat, which could be levied as early as March.

Freehold isa owned by Proxima GR Properties which is owned by the Tchenguiz family trust, of which Vincent Tchenguiz is a beneficiary.

Tchenguiz, 61, is believed to be worth hundreds of millions of pounds and last year bought a new 165-foot superyacht moored in the Mediterranean called Da Vinci. He is said to own 300,000 freeholds in the UK, including 10 Hilton hotels. His spokesman declined to comment.
“Terrified” residents of a housing complex clad in similar flammable panels to Grenfell tower are facing a bill of £2m to make their homes safe after the building’s owner said it was not its responsibility to pay.
It's a tricky one.

Devil's Advocate: " A lot I think rests on who they bought the property from and the state of the building when they bought it. If the cladding was not applied correctly - according to the then regulations - I would say the seller was liable to fix it. But if it was applied correctly at the time of purchase then if the residents want it changed it should be at their cost. That's the responsibility that comes from owning your own home."
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They only hold the lease on the apartment not the building itself.
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Old Yesterday, 06:49 PM   #1535
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Kilometres, perhaps. Miles more likely.
Seems reasonable to this layman. With the appropriate units, what do you think of the proposal?
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