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Old 6th March 2021, 04:35 AM   #2121
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
If he's smart
Well, there’s your problem

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(or can follow a smart playbook)
Well there’s your other problem.

Trump is merely an uncreative two-bit grifter who made it into the major leagues by being able to change his patter to suit his audience. But he is not wily enough or shrewd enough to run the clever cons. He wastes what little energy he has attacking real or imagined enemies without understanding how to make alliances or even understanding how and when to ignore someone.

He is entirely transaction oriented, but he is too dim-witted to even grasp the value of long-term transactionalism.
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Old 6th March 2021, 12:52 PM   #2122
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Originally Posted by SezMe View Post
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As you note, in the deep south, if Trump supported a peanut butter sandwich, it would win.
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Against many Repub candidates, the peanut butter sandwich would be the better choice.

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Old 6th March 2021, 01:56 PM   #2123
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Trump's lawyers have sent cease-and-desist letters to the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Congressional Committee, and the National Republican Senatorial Committee to stop them from using his name and likeness in their fundraising.

"This is my party. If you want money, you have to get it directly from me."
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Old 6th March 2021, 02:25 PM   #2124
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
Trump's lawyers have sent cease-and-desist letters to the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Congressional Committee, and the National Republican Senatorial Committee to stop them from using his name and likeness in their fundraising.

"This is my party. If you want money, you have to get it directly from me."


Oh my word! Bet McConnell's pissed.

The sad thing is Trump can rip off as many donors as he can con.

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Old 6th March 2021, 03:10 PM   #2125
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
Trump's lawyers have sent cease-and-desist letters to the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Congressional Committee, and the National Republican Senatorial Committee to stop them from using his name and likeness in their fundraising.

"This is my party. If you want money, you have to get it directly from me."

That appears to be literally true.
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In filings with the Federal Election Commission, he converted both his presidential campaign committee, Donald J. Trump for President, and his leadership PAC, Save America, into two political action committees that can support other candidates for office. Trump's campaign committee has become the Make America Great Again PAC -- or MAGA PAC.

"There's only one way to contribute to our efforts to elect America First Republican conservatives, and in turn to make America great again, and that's through Save America PAC and DonaldJTrump.com," Trump said during his remarks to the Conservative Political Action Conference last week.
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Old 6th March 2021, 08:29 PM   #2126
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Old 6th March 2021, 09:54 PM   #2127
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
Trump's lawyers have sent cease-and-desist letters to the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Congressional Committee, and the National Republican Senatorial Committee to stop them from using his name and likeness in their fundraising.

"This is my party. If you want money, you have to get it directly from me."
IANAL but I doubt that usage of an ex-president's image and name can be restricted.
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Old 6th March 2021, 10:02 PM   #2128
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IANAL but I doubt that usage of an ex-president's image and name can be restricted.
Except Trump has been using his name/brand for decades. I'm guessing he has it trademarked.
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Old 6th March 2021, 11:05 PM   #2129
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Except Trump has been using his name/brand for decades. I'm guessing he has it trademarked.
Then he better not change his face. And the word "trump" is both a noun and a verb in other contexts, and probably can't be trademarked as a result.
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Old 6th March 2021, 11:06 PM   #2130
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
Trump's lawyers have sent cease-and-desist letters to the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Congressional Committee, and the National Republican Senatorial Committee to stop them from using his name and likeness in their fundraising.

"This is my party. If you want money, you have to get it directly from me."
What would happen if they told him to stick it up his jacksie?
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Old 6th March 2021, 11:22 PM   #2131
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Then he better not change his face. And the word "trump" is both a noun and a verb in other contexts, and probably can't be trademarked as a result.
I'm pretty sure you can't market something using the POTUS name/image. Being in the public domain for satire or a news report are different situations.

KGSW Law: you can't use Trump in your brand either.
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So why has the USPTO refused to register any trademark with the Trump name, without Donald or Ivanka Trump’s personal written consent? It’s because the Trademark Act and numerous decisions by the USPTO’s Trademark Trial and Appeal Board have consistently held that a trademark registration will be refused if the mark consists of a name, portrait or signature identifying a particular living individual, unless that individual provides his or her written consent.
But I believe you can set up a PAC to raise money for Trump's campaign but not give him any of the money.

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I remember a test case where a fellow named McDonald could not legally use his own name for a restaurant.

I’d also think Trump can prohibit use of his name or likeness in any way that seems to promote or endorse a particular product or cause without his consent. But I assume it’s complicated. I expect either the Leagal Eagle or Opening Arguments, or both, to opine on this in the near future.
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Old Yesterday, 07:42 AM   #2133
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
I remember a test case where a fellow named McDonald could not legally use his own name for a restaurant.

Iíd also think Trump can prohibit use of his name or likeness in any way that seems to promote or endorse a particular product or cause without his consent. But I assume itís complicated. I expect either the Leagal Eagle or Opening Arguments, or both, to opine on this in the near future.
For commercial purposes, that all holds.

A former office holder being able to control name and likeness (or license it for a fee?) in communications from a political committee (tightly controlled in other ways), especially campaign and party organizations, is ominous to me.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
For commercial purposes, that all holds.

A former office holder being able to control name and likeness (or license it for a fee?) in communications from a political committee (tightly controlled in other ways), especially campaign and party organizations, is ominous to me.
Why? If they're raising money by falsely claiming to represent him or that he endorses them, it looks like a pretty straightforward fraud issue. Why ominous?
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Why? If they're raising money by falsely claiming to represent him or that he endorses them, it looks like a pretty straightforward fraud issue. Why ominous?
Are the claims false?

That would fall under defamation, anyways.

This issue is treating a political figure's identity and descriptions of their political positions like intellectual property. That goes into a rabbit hole of ownership, transfer of this IP or parts of it to other owners, licensing platforms.

Not sure I like private interests potentially deciding who can say what about which public office holder (not already addressed by other civil or criminal penalties).
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It seems a little odd, but maybe it is just part of a new level of hypernarcissistic apotheosis. So the Republican party, until now acting as mindless puppets to support the reprehensible stupidity of the administration, must now, it seems, say "We still stand with that guy whose name is so awesome we cannot speak it."
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Old Yesterday, 09:18 AM   #2137
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This is more of a desire than a citation of law, but I think it would be awesome if the court said, “if you are trying to protect your trademark, then you need to put a (tm) next to your name every time you use it in any fundraising material.”
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If he believes there is commercial use of his name/image by political committees, the venue would be FEC. An FEC decision could then be challenged in a suit.

If he believes the use is not commercial, case dismissed. Political organizations (not found in violation of prohibitions against commercial activity) have different leeway.

Maybe this will change as "political activity" and "intellectual property" are always being weighed and balanced, but any major precedent reversals are likely a decade or so out if someone is just now spinning up some cease-and-desist.

It does trap the RNC. Concede fundraising on Trump to Trump only (unless he gets a cut?) or give Trumo ammunition to portray himself as victim of a corrupt RNC.
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https://uk.yahoo.com/news/trump-said...130653895.html

Trump said he would travel the 5,000 miles from Mar-a-Lago to Alaska to bury the political career of GOP Sen. Lisa Murkowski in revenge for her impeachment vote.

"I will not be endorsing, under any circumstances, the failed candidate from the great State of Alaska, Lisa Murkowski. She represents her state badly and her country even worse, Trump told Politico.

"I do not know where other people will be next year, but I know where I will be - in Alaska campaigning against a disloyal and very bad Senator."
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Murkowski already got primaried once. She came back and won as a write-in.
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And Alaska now has a Ranked Voice, neutered Primary system that makes it utterly irrelevant what Trump wants.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
And Alaska now has a Ranked Voice, neutered Primary system that makes it utterly irrelevant what Trump wants.
President Trump wasting his time far away from home.
The very idea warms my heart.
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https://uk.yahoo.com/news/trump-said...130653895.html

Trump said he would travel the 5,000 miles from Mar-a-Lago to Alaska to bury the political career of GOP Sen. Lisa Murkowski in revenge for her impeachment vote.

"I will not be endorsing, under any circumstances, the failed candidate from the great State of Alaska, Lisa Murkowski. She represents her state badly and her country even worse, Trump told Politico.

"I do not know where other people will be next year, but I know where I will be - in Alaska campaigning against a disloyal and very bad Senator."
There is absolutely no chance that Trump will be in Alaska next year, for any reason.
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There is absolutely no chance that Trump will be in Alaska next year, for any reason.
Exactly my thoughts, though the idea of him freezing to death in the tundra is appealing.
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It seems a little odd, but maybe it is just part of a new level of hypernarcissistic apotheosis. So the Republican party, until now acting as mindless puppets to support the reprehensible stupidity of the administration, must now, it seems, say "We still stand with that guy whose name is so awesome we cannot speak it."
Or, in more common parlance - He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, who happens to be very well known in the Harry Potter stories. Given the long-standing pleasure that Trumpy Republican politicians seem to take in associating themselves with the villainous side, some of them might actually have fun making that exact invocation. A bit like they did with Senator Kelly (X-Men) and the Death Star.
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There is absolutely no chance that Trump will be in Alaska next year, for any reason.
Except if he sees a way to make money.
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Trump's lawyers have sent cease-and-desist letters to the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Congressional Committee, and the National Republican Senatorial Committee to stop them from using his name and likeness in their fundraising.

"This is my party. If you want money, you have to get it directly from me."
You know, this seems entirely reasonable to me. He's a private individual. Why should the RNC be able to use his name and image for their own benefit?
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You know, this seems entirely reasonable to me. He's a private individual. Why should the RNC be able to use his name and image for their own benefit?
He sucked up all the life in the RNC. They either need to break free or do like Graham, kiss his ass.

Classic example of be careful what you wish for.
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Trump's lawyers have sent cease-and-desist letters to the Republican National Committee, the National Republican Congressional Committee, and the National Republican Senatorial Committee to stop them from using his name and likeness in their fundraising.
You know, this seems entirely reasonable to me. He's a private individual. Why should the RNC be able to use his name and image for their own benefit?
He may be a private individual now, but a short while ago he was president, and he only obtained that position because he had been a member (and received the backing of) the Republican party. I can certainly understand the republicans in the party thinking "We helped campaign for Trump in 2016, we voted to confirm Drunky McRapeface and the Stepford Wife, we voted against impeachment twice...I think its valid associating his name with our party."
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There is absolutely no chance that Trump will be in Alaska next year, for any reason.
Exactly my thoughts, though the idea of him freezing to death in the tundra is appealing.
Yeah but then Trump Jr. or Eric will try to stuff themselves inside his bloated corpse as a way to stay warm.
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Yeah but then Trump Jr. or Eric will try to stuff themselves inside his bloated corpse as a way to stay warm.
I'd pay to see that. And will that be before or after Junior pays to kill wolves from a helicopter?
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Yeah but then Trump Jr. or Eric will try to stuff themselves inside his bloated corpse as a way to stay warm.
And you thought... he smelled bad... on the outside.
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I bet Eric smells like someone who eats cereal in bed, spills it all over, but never changes the sheets
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Exactly my thoughts, though the idea of him freezing to death in the tundra is appealing.
There's room for jokes about Qnut lemmings here, following T**** over a cliff to their slow agonising deaths far away in the frozen wastes.*




* Yeah, I know this is completely false and made up by the Disney team. Just let it ride, OK?
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I bet Eric smells like someone who eats cereal in bed, spills it all over, but never changes the sheets
Is that a euphemism?

Wait. I donít want to know.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
If he believes there is commercial use of his name/image by political committees, the venue would be FEC. An FEC decision could then be challenged in a suit.

If he believes the use is not commercial, case dismissed. Political organizations (not found in violation of prohibitions against commercial activity) have different leeway.

Trump, of course, sees no distinction between "commercial use" and "political use". Everything is about the money, and all the money belongs to him.

I hope he does manage to suck up a lot of the fundraising that would have otherwise gone to the party, because then, every dollar he steals from it won't be used to support the party in 2022 and 2024. Anything that hurts their abilities in these elections can only be considered a good thing.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
You know, this seems entirely reasonable to me. He's a private individual. Why should the RNC be able to use his name and image for their own benefit?
Seeing the flip side, could the DNC be prohibited from using Trump's likeness or words in their advertising?
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Seeing the flip side, could the DNC be prohibited from using Trump's likeness or words in their advertising?
an excellent point IMO.
But I guess the RNC and Republicans don't really want to a legal battle with Trump.
Trump has won most of his cases by making winning against him a Pyrrhic victory.
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Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B View Post
Seeing the flip side, could the DNC be prohibited from using Trump's likeness or words in their advertising?
That's a good point. I get fundraising emails all the time listing Trump's latest outrage as the reason I must donate.
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