Space junk? - Page 2

theprestige · 6th May 2022, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

What accounts for the "smoke" reported? Dust from roof?

As with all poorly-documented UFO and paranormal claims, literally anything could account for the phenomena alleged by the claimants. My view is it's fine to speculate all you want, but that's all it is - speculation. There's no point in trying to come up with "the" explanation, or even "an" explanation for these things.

Was there really any "smoke"? Who knows. Could it have been dust from the roof? Sure. Could it have been a figment of the reporter's imagination? Sure. Could it have been steam from a nearby kettle? Sure. Could it have been residual unicorn farts adhering to the object as it transitioned from unicorn-space into our reality? Okay, probably not that one.

Like UFO proponents who demand that you account for the "fact" that the UFO moved several kilometers in under a second. Is that really what happened? Not even the UFO proponent really knows. So why bother trying to account for it?

catsmate · 7th May 2022, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

I am almost 100% certain that this is NOT man made space junk. Its appearance doesn't match any of the descriptors that I know of.

If it is a meteorite, it is an exceedingly rare one.

So we should be really worried then?

Jack by the hedge · 7th May 2022, 03:02 AM

Did they actually check if there was a guy on the roof with a musket? I mean no, I don't think it's likely, but did they at least check?

smartcooky · 7th May 2022, 04:05 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

So we should be really worried then?

Well IMO, you're on the right track. I think the idea that this might be some sort of man-made space junk is pure science-fiction!

arthwollipot · 10th May 2022, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Doesn't look melted to me. Just badly scraped. I'm liking the tire-balancing metal weight came loose from a passing car hypothesis.

And got flung up into the sky with such force that it returned with enough force to smash through the ceiling and chip the tiled floor?

catsmate · 11th May 2022, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Well IMO, you're on the right track. I think the idea that this might be some sort of man-made space junk is pure science-fiction!

So keep an eye out for people acting oddly, sudden behaviour changes and giant vegetables.

theprestige · 11th May 2022, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

And got flung up into the sky with such force that it returned with enough force to smash through the ceiling and chip the tiled floor?

Sure. You're falling into the UFOvian trap of coming up with too much Just So Story on too little evidence. The trajectory could have been much more oblique. The tile could have already been chipped. Etc. I don't have a to explain reentry speed and trajectory until we know that's what happened. Which we're can't possibly know, and therefore should not claim.

smartcooky · 11th May 2022, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

So keep an eye out for people acting oddly, sudden behaviour changes and giant ~~vegetables.~~ seed pods.

FTFY. Get it right!

catsmate · 12th May 2022, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

FTFY. Get it right!

Wasn't that the Man-Eater of Surrey Green?

smartcooky · 12th May 2022, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Wasn't that the Man-Eater of Surrey Green?

Nope! Invasion of the Body Snatchers... invading aliens replaced humans by growing them in giant seed-pods... the resulting replacements acted strangely and had behavior changes and a complete lack of emotions.

Man-Eater of Surrey Green was a telepathic alien plant!

welshdean · 12th May 2022, 11:33 PM

I'm going for...
An alien, robot trilobite!

catsmate · 13th May 2022, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Nope! Invasion of the Body Snatchers... invading aliens replaced humans by growing them in giant seed-pods... the resulting replacements acted strangely and had behavior changes and a complete lack of emotions.

Man-Eater of Surrey Green was a telepathic alien plant!

Ah yes, the inspiration for the Krynoid. With the terrible plastic "snow"....

MBDK · 14th May 2022, 01:23 AM

I may as well confess. The "projectile" is my adamantium-fabricated condom. Unfortunately, it was improperly secured at the moment of greatest need, and although it did reach the technical threshold of space (the von Kármán line @ 100km), it never entered a low-Earth orbit, so its designation as "space debris" is debatable.

Jack by the hedge · 14th May 2022, 02:46 AM

So you're blaming a failed panspermia project. Novel.

MBDK · 14th May 2022, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

So you're blaming a failed panspermia project. Novel.

LOL

Thanks for making me do a dictionary search, also.

Trebuchet · 14th May 2022, 10:16 AM

This page shows a Starlink satellite reentry on 4 May which might account for debris in Australia. Pure speculation on my part, of course.

RecoveringYuppy · 14th May 2022, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

So you're blaming a failed panspermia project. Novel.

Has panspermia ever been the name of a porn flick?

smartcooky · 14th May 2022, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

This page shows a Starlink satellite reentry on 4 May which might account for debris in Australia. Pure speculation on my part, of course.

Unlikely

If the re-entry went as predicted, it re-entered over Eastern Europe. There is no way any pieces could survive long enough to reach Australia, and even if they did, the track looks to take it about 100 km NE of Queensland.

6th May 2022, 11:05 AM	#41
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Antimemetics Division Posts: 58,550	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy What accounts for the "smoke" reported? Dust from roof? As with all poorly-documented UFO and paranormal claims, literally anything could account for the phenomena alleged by the claimants. My view is it's fine to speculate all you want, but that's all it is - speculation. There's no point in trying to come up with "the" explanation, or even "an" explanation for these things. Was there really any "smoke"? Who knows. Could it have been dust from the roof? Sure. Could it have been a figment of the reporter's imagination? Sure. Could it have been steam from a nearby kettle? Sure. Could it have been residual unicorn farts adhering to the object as it transitioned from unicorn-space into our reality? Okay, probably not that one. Like UFO proponents who demand that you account for the "fact" that the UFO moved several kilometers in under a second. Is that really what happened? Not even the UFO proponent really knows. So why bother trying to account for it?
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7th May 2022, 02:23 AM	#42
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 26,900	Originally Posted by smartcooky I am almost 100% certain that this is NOT man made space junk. Its appearance doesn't match any of the descriptors that I know of. If it is a meteorite, it is an exceedingly rare one. So we should be really worried then?
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7th May 2022, 04:05 AM	#44
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 21,091	Originally Posted by catsmate So we should be really worried then? Well IMO, you're on the right track. I think the idea that this might be some sort of man-made space junk is pure science-fiction!
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10th May 2022, 11:58 PM	#45
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 76,351	Originally Posted by theprestige Doesn't look melted to me. Just badly scraped. I'm liking the tire-balancing metal weight came loose from a passing car hypothesis. And got flung up into the sky with such force that it returned with enough force to smash through the ceiling and chip the tiled floor?
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11th May 2022, 03:44 AM	#46
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 26,900	Originally Posted by smartcooky Well IMO, you're on the right track. I think the idea that this might be some sort of man-made space junk is pure science-fiction! So keep an eye out for people acting oddly, sudden behaviour changes and giant vegetables.
	__________________ As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.

7th May 2022, 03:02 AM	#43
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 13,322	Did they actually check if there was a guy on the roof with a musket? I mean no, I don't think it's likely, but did they at least check?

11th May 2022, 05:33 AM	#47
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Antimemetics Division Posts: 58,550	Originally Posted by arthwollipot And got flung up into the sky with such force that it returned with enough force to smash through the ceiling and chip the tiled floor? Sure. You're falling into the UFOvian trap of coming up with too much Just So Story on too little evidence. The trajectory could have been much more oblique. The tile could have already been chipped. Etc. I don't have a to explain reentry speed and trajectory until we know that's what happened. Which we're can't possibly know, and therefore should not claim.
	__________________ There is no Antimemetics Division.

11th May 2022, 09:49 PM	#48
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 21,091	Originally Posted by catsmate So keep an eye out for people acting oddly, sudden behaviour changes and giant ~~vegetables.~~ seed pods. FTFY. Get it right!
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12th May 2022, 01:40 PM	#49
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 26,900	Originally Posted by smartcooky FTFY. Get it right! Wasn't that the Man-Eater of Surrey Green?
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12th May 2022, 09:20 PM	#50
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 21,091	Originally Posted by catsmate Wasn't that the Man-Eater of Surrey Green? Nope! Invasion of the Body Snatchers... invading aliens replaced humans by growing them in giant seed-pods... the resulting replacements acted strangely and had behavior changes and a complete lack of emotions. Man-Eater of Surrey Green was a telepathic alien plant!
	__________________ Science supplies evidence, invites you to analyse and evaluate that evidence, and then to draw conclusions from that Religion supplies no evidence, demands you have faith, and expects you to uncritically and automatically believe that something is true simply because "the Bible tells you so" If you don't like my posts, opinions, or directness then put me on your ignore list!

12th May 2022, 11:33 PM	#51
welshdean Michael McDonald 1967 - 2021 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,135	I'm going for... An alien, robot trilobite!
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13th May 2022, 12:41 AM	#52
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 26,900	Originally Posted by smartcooky Nope! Invasion of the Body Snatchers... invading aliens replaced humans by growing them in giant seed-pods... the resulting replacements acted strangely and had behavior changes and a complete lack of emotions. Man-Eater of Surrey Green was a telepathic alien plant! Ah yes, the inspiration for the Krynoid. With the terrible plastic "snow"....
	__________________ As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.

14th May 2022, 01:23 AM	#53
MBDK Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 313	I may as well confess. The "projectile" is my adamantium-fabricated condom. Unfortunately, it was improperly secured at the moment of greatest need, and although it did reach the technical threshold of space (the von Kármán line @ 100km), it never entered a low-Earth orbit, so its designation as "space debris" is debatable.
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14th May 2022, 02:46 AM	#54
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 13,322	So you're blaming a failed panspermia project. Novel.

14th May 2022, 03:52 AM	#55
MBDK Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 313	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge So you're blaming a failed panspermia project. Novel. LOL Thanks for making me do a dictionary search, also.
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14th May 2022, 10:16 AM	#56
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 33,943	This page shows a Starlink satellite reentry on 4 May which might account for debris in Australia. Pure speculation on my part, of course.
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14th May 2022, 11:12 AM	#57
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 13,487	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge So you're blaming a failed panspermia project. Novel. Has panspermia ever been the name of a porn flick?

14th May 2022, 04:32 PM	#58
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 21,091	Originally Posted by Trebuchet This page shows a Starlink satellite reentry on 4 May which might account for debris in Australia. Pure speculation on my part, of course. Unlikely If the re-entry went as predicted, it re-entered over Eastern Europe. There is no way any pieces could survive long enough to reach Australia, and even if they did, the track looks to take it about 100 km NE of Queensland.
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