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No, officer. I wasn't vandalizing them. I was giving them a standing ovation!
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"In science it often happens that scientists say, "You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken," and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." Carl Sagan 1934 - 1996 RIP |
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not just the vaccine but also the treatments
"In the years leading up to her death, Stephanie had become embroiled in conspiracy theories. Her belief in those far-out ideas caused her to avoid vaccination and led her to delay and even refuse some of the most effective treatments after she got sick."
NPR had an in-depth story about a woman who refused to be vaccinated and also refused treatments such as remdesivir. |
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They were just trying to give them breakfast.
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I read that article, and although it does identify some of the dangers involved with believing some conspiracy theories, and speculates as to how someone can become fixated with them, I also noticed these two quotes.
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It seems to me that normalizing, and even praising her, for her involvement in what is essentially a more mainstream form of misinformation, was a perfect stepping stone to launch her into the deeper abyss. |
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Penultimate Amazing
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looking for answers
MBDK,
I recall having an inkling of the same feeling when I read the bit about astrology, but you expressed it more forcefully. I think that "everybody is always trying to figure out their lives" is helpful to understanding the appeal of conspiracy thinking. |
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We have a new candidate for scaring the living **** out of anti-vaxxers:
Self -replicating srRNA vaccines: a RNA vaccine that can be administered in much smaller doses, as it can replicate itself in the body, thus creating a much stronger immune response. They can also be stored at room temperature. Test for a version against COVID-19 (same Antigen as Pfizer/Moderna) successful in a study with thousands of patients. |
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Co-authored by Stephanie Seneff, who is clearly not all there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie_Seneff Emre, as you are now linking to published scientific articles, how are you deciding which of the scientists you believe, and which you don't? There is, after all, a wealth of published work on the safety of the various Covid vaccines. Have you read any of it, and why have you rejected their conclusions, in favour of this one paper? |
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Hmm...I wonder what vested interests there might be involved here when one of the authors runs a foundation asking for donations to help them with COVID vaccine injury cases? And as a bonus who also thinks 5G causes all kinds of medical issues? Or an author that claims the vaccine causes problems with cancer 'surveillance but handily offers 'naturopathic remedies' for that cancer?
Do we think these are entirely neutral anyalyses? Not entirely sure what expertise is conferred by someone who makes cosmetics from fruit, or a computer nerd. |
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Already taken apart here - https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sci...isinformation/
Really if Seneff is involved you can pretty much guarantee a load of ill-informed idiocy. |
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Oh my word!
I already posted this in the Weinstein Brothers thread, but this probably fits in well here. Bret Weinstein, some ivermectin enthusiasts, and straight up anti-vax people, RFK Jr and Del Bigtree are going to be at some Quackfest in Bath, UK. I would imagine that some of them, particularly Bret Weinstein, are going to be Zooming in rather than attending in person. In fact, I would hope that some people such as RFK Jr would not even be allowed to enter the UK to spread their BS. Also joining in... Dr John Campbell. Anyone who still doubts he is a total quack at this point are never going to be persuaded. These grifters have basically metastasized into the 9/11 Truth Movement of the age. |
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"MIT study finds COVID vaccines 'significantly associated' with jump in emergency heart problems"
https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...jump-emergency |
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Zensmack (LastChild, Laughing Assassin, RazetheFlag, Wastrel, TruthbyDecree) - Working his way up the sock puppet chain, trying to overtake P'Doh. Or, are they the same? Quote me where I said conspiracists use evidence. - mchapman |
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OECD healthcare spending Public/Compulsory Expenditure on healthcare https://data.oecd.org/chart/60Tt Every year since 1990 the US Public healthcare spending has been greater than the UK as a proportion of GDP. More US Tax goes to healthcare than the UK |
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Horrible dipsomaniacs and other addicts, be gone and get treated.These fora are full of scientists and specialists. Most of them turn back to pumpkins the second they log out. I got tired of the actual schizophrenics that are taking hold part of the forum and decided to do something about it. |
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McCullough is a puzzle
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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The Great Barrington Declaration people Jay Battacharya and Martin Kulldorff are apparently now sharing stages with.... Steve Kirsch!
You remember Steve Kirsch? Apparently famous for inventing the optical mouose and has since become a rabid anti-vaxxer who claims vaccines make the heads explode of fetuses of pregnant women. They are sitting there in front of a PPT screen saying "vaccines are killing more people than they save" (500,000 people according to Kirsch). WTAF! Link |
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Misinformation
Concerning misinformation during the pandemic (and misinformation more generally), In the Pipeline's Derek Lowe wrote, "They have been spun up to their current high RPM, as far as I can tell, by repeated consumption of that ******** that Bergstrom refers to. People send me links to podcasts and YouTube videos and slide presentations that are just fiestas of misunderstandings, nonsense, and outright lies, but they're presented with a huge amount of detail in confident, passionate tones by people who sound completely committed to the cause. I can easily see where people who have not spent years in medicine, biology, chemistry and such fields would be convinced that they are truly on to the truth when they see this stuff, and after the fourth, fifteenth, or fifty-third exposure to it they're even more so."
Derek Lowe is a medicinal chemist who has written a number of blog entries on this virus, the vaccines, and the antiviral compounds used to treat this virus. The connection to conspiracy theory thinking becomes a bit clearer in the last paragraph of this interesting essay. |
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Todd Callender and Ron Johnson on the vaccine and AIDS
Physician Allison Neitzel wrote, "At the core of the issue is that this ongoing spread of COVID disinformation from politicians, doctors, lawyers, and others with a significant following continues to rock public health to the utmost degree. We must fight to close this flooding disinformation pipeline before it drowns us."
She was responding to anti-fax lawyer Todd Callender's claim that the vaccine causes AIDS as part of an interview with Senator Ron Johnson (a Republican of the State of Wisconsin) whose position is (to put it extremely charitably) unclear. I probably have heard this flagrantly false claim before, but it still shocked me to read this. So, according to this conspiracy theory, Pfizer and Moderna want to get everyone sick with AIDS? To sell them medications for it? The mind reels. |
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Very dismal stuff. The internet is great and all. I'm sure that the net benefits outweigh the downsides. But the spread of misinformation via the internet is just atrocious. So much stuff that is clearly utter bollocks is believed by a lot of people these days, from Flat Earth to Q to all manner of other lies.
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As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves. |
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Well, it seems that the consensus view is that this monkey pox is actually Shingles caused by the coronavirus vaccine.
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The social illusion reigns to-day upon all the heaped-up ruins of the past, and to it belongs the future. The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Gustav Le Bon, The Crowd, 1895 (from the French) |
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