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Old 26th April 2022, 02:27 PM   #481
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Originally Posted by carlitos View Post
I’m Oakland, teenagers with eggs drove out the “freedom” convoy. Maybe take a little inspiration.

https://boingboing.net/2022/04/25/ho...video.html/amp
At least one of those teenagers was mighty gray-haired!
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Old 26th April 2022, 07:33 PM   #482
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No, officer. I wasn't vandalizing them. I was giving them a standing ovation!
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Old 26th April 2022, 11:46 PM   #483
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
No, officer. I wasn't vandalizing them. I was giving them a standing ovation!
A standing ovulation, surely?
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Old 27th April 2022, 05:50 AM   #484
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
No, officer. I wasn't vandalizing them. I was giving them a standing ovation!
Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
A standing ovulation, surely?
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Originally Posted by welshdean View Post
Ouefation
Ooh, nearly!
Oeufation, I think. Good one, though.
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Old 27th April 2022, 12:15 PM   #486
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not just the vaccine but also the treatments

"In the years leading up to her death, Stephanie had become embroiled in conspiracy theories. Her belief in those far-out ideas caused her to avoid vaccination and led her to delay and even refuse some of the most effective treatments after she got sick."

NPR had an in-depth story about a woman who refused to be vaccinated and also refused treatments such as remdesivir.
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Ooh, nearly!
Oeufation, I think. Good one, though.
I thought the point of my original post was clear enough, but oh well....
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
I thought the point of my original post was clear enough, but oh well....
Are we guilty of over-egging the pudding?
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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides View Post
"In the years leading up to her death, Stephanie had become embroiled in conspiracy theories. Her belief in those far-out ideas caused her to avoid vaccination and led her to delay and even refuse some of the most effective treatments after she got sick."

NPR had an in-depth story about a woman who refused to be vaccinated and also refused treatments such as remdesivir.
I read that article, and although it does identify some of the dangers involved with believing some conspiracy theories, and speculates as to how someone can become fixated with them, I also noticed these two quotes.

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When the daughters reached high school, Stephanie began to get into astrology and tarot. She did readings to advise people about things like houses, kids and jobs. It was quirky, but Laurie says that Stephanie brought a lot of positivity and optimism to her sessions.

"Everybody loved it, because everybody is always trying to figure out their lives. There's always the struggles," she says. "She spread hope with people."

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At the funeral, Arnold heard from scores of people whom Stephanie had helped over the years, through her astrology, and just her advice and friendship.

It seems to me that normalizing, and even praising her, for her involvement in what is essentially a more mainstream form of misinformation, was a perfect stepping stone to launch her into the deeper abyss.
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Old 28th April 2022, 04:35 AM   #491
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MBDK,

I recall having an inkling of the same feeling when I read the bit about astrology, but you expressed it more forcefully. I think that "everybody is always trying to figure out their lives" is helpful to understanding the appeal of conspiracy thinking.
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Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides View Post
I think that "everybody is always trying to figure out their lives" is helpful to understanding the appeal of conspiracy thinking.
Agreed.
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Old 29th April 2022, 01:07 PM   #493
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We have a new candidate for scaring the living **** out of anti-vaxxers:

Self -replicating srRNA vaccines: a RNA vaccine that can be administered in much smaller doses, as it can replicate itself in the body, thus creating a much stronger immune response.
They can also be stored at room temperature.
Test for a version against COVID-19 (same Antigen as Pfizer/Moderna) successful in a study with thousands of patients.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
We have a new candidate for scaring the living **** out of anti-vaxxers:

Self -replicating srRNA vaccines: a RNA vaccine that can be administered in much smaller doses, as it can replicate itself in the body, thus creating a much stronger immune response.
They can also be stored at room temperature.
Test for a version against COVID-19 (same Antigen as Pfizer/Moderna) successful in a study with thousands of patients.
So we're basically inventing a virus to prevent a virus? This is going to popular!
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Old 30th April 2022, 03:45 AM   #495
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COVID vaccine kills innate immunity

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9012513/
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
COVID vaccine kills innate immunity

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9012513/
Co-authored by Stephanie Seneff, who is clearly not all there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephanie_Seneff

Emre, as you are now linking to published scientific articles, how are you deciding which of the scientists you believe, and which you don't? There is, after all, a wealth of published work on the safety of the various Covid vaccines. Have you read any of it, and why have you rejected their conclusions, in favour of this one paper?
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So we're basically inventing a virus to prevent a virus? This is going to popular!
No.
Replicating a small RNA Fragment ia something quite different from replicating an entire virus.
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COVID vaccine kills innate immunity

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9012513/
Hmm...I wonder what vested interests there might be involved here when one of the authors runs a foundation asking for donations to help them with COVID vaccine injury cases? And as a bonus who also thinks 5G causes all kinds of medical issues? Or an author that claims the vaccine causes problems with cancer 'surveillance but handily offers 'naturopathic remedies' for that cancer?

Do we think these are entirely neutral anyalyses?

Not entirely sure what expertise is conferred by someone who makes cosmetics from fruit, or a computer nerd.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
We have a new candidate for scaring the living **** out of anti-vaxxers:

Self -replicating srRNA vaccines: a RNA vaccine that can be administered in much smaller doses, as it can replicate itself in the body, thus creating a much stronger immune response.
They can also be stored at room temperature.
Test for a version against COVID-19 (same Antigen as Pfizer/Moderna) successful in a study with thousands of patients.
The scratching sound you hear is innumerable homeopathy fans, writing down "self-replicating" so they don't forget it.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
COVID vaccine kills innate immunity

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9012513/
Already taken apart here - https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sci...isinformation/

Really if Seneff is involved you can pretty much guarantee a load of ill-informed idiocy.
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COVID vaccine kills innate immunity

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9012513/
Nope.
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Oh my word!

I already posted this in the Weinstein Brothers thread, but this probably fits in well here.

Bret Weinstein, some ivermectin enthusiasts, and straight up anti-vax people, RFK Jr and Del Bigtree are going to be at some Quackfest in Bath, UK. I would imagine that some of them, particularly Bret Weinstein, are going to be Zooming in rather than attending in person.

In fact, I would hope that some people such as RFK Jr would not even be allowed to enter the UK to spread their BS.

Also joining in... Dr John Campbell. Anyone who still doubts he is a total quack at this point are never going to be persuaded.

These grifters have basically metastasized into the 9/11 Truth Movement of the age.
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"MIT study finds COVID vaccines 'significantly associated' with jump in emergency heart problems"

https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...jump-emergency
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"MIT study finds COVID vaccines 'significantly associated' with jump in emergency heart problems"

https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...jump-emergency
https://www.techarp.com/science/mit-...eart-problems/
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"MIT study finds COVID vaccines 'significantly associated' with jump in emergency heart problems"

https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...jump-emergency
Nope.
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"MIT study finds COVID vaccines 'significantly associated' with jump in emergency heart problems"

https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...jump-emergency

You spelled MIT dot EDU wrong. Try again?
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https://retractionwatch.com/2022/05/...-is-retracted/

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A paper on the potential use of ivermectin to treat Covid-19 has been retracted for a litany of flaws, joining at least 10 other articles on the therapy some liked to promote without evidence to fall.

The article was part of a special issue of Toxicology Reports on Covid-19 that has received an expression of concern; six of the eight articles still have EoCs. Two, including one “Why are we vaccinating children against COVID-19?,” have now been retracted.
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"MIT study finds COVID vaccines 'significantly associated' with jump in emergency heart problems"

https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...jump-emergency
Are you going to apologize for the piece of ... misinformation you posted?
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Oh my word!

I already posted this in the Weinstein Brothers thread, but this probably fits in well here.

Bret Weinstein, some ivermectin enthusiasts, and straight up anti-vax people, RFK Jr and Del Bigtree are going to be at some Quackfest in Bath, UK. I would imagine that some of them, particularly Bret Weinstein, are going to be Zooming in rather than attending in person.

In fact, I would hope that some people such as RFK Jr would not even be allowed to enter the UK to spread their BS.

Also joining in... Dr John Campbell. Anyone who still doubts he is a total quack at this point are never going to be persuaded.

These grifters have basically metastasized into the 9/11 Truth Movement of the age.
Hi angrysoba,

Dr. Peter McCullough is the one that I don't understand. I have not seen any indication that he is profiting from his...unorthodox...position. BTW your in-box is full.
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"MIT study finds COVID vaccines 'significantly associated' with jump in emergency heart problems"

https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...jump-emergency
Do you ever bother to actually read things, and think for yourself, before regurgitating them?
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The Great Barrington Declaration people Jay Battacharya and Martin Kulldorff are apparently now sharing stages with.... Steve Kirsch!

You remember Steve Kirsch? Apparently famous for inventing the optical mouose and has since become a rabid anti-vaxxer who claims vaccines make the heads explode of fetuses of pregnant women.

They are sitting there in front of a PPT screen saying "vaccines are killing more people than they save" (500,000 people according to Kirsch).

WTAF!

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Misinformation

Concerning misinformation during the pandemic (and misinformation more generally), In the Pipeline's Derek Lowe wrote, "They have been spun up to their current high RPM, as far as I can tell, by repeated consumption of that ******** that Bergstrom refers to. People send me links to podcasts and YouTube videos and slide presentations that are just fiestas of misunderstandings, nonsense, and outright lies, but they're presented with a huge amount of detail in confident, passionate tones by people who sound completely committed to the cause. I can easily see where people who have not spent years in medicine, biology, chemistry and such fields would be convinced that they are truly on to the truth when they see this stuff, and after the fourth, fifteenth, or fifty-third exposure to it they're even more so."

Derek Lowe is a medicinal chemist who has written a number of blog entries on this virus, the vaccines, and the antiviral compounds used to treat this virus. The connection to conspiracy theory thinking becomes a bit clearer in the last paragraph of this interesting essay.
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Todd Callender and Ron Johnson on the vaccine and AIDS

Physician Allison Neitzel wrote, "At the core of the issue is that this ongoing spread of COVID disinformation from politicians, doctors, lawyers, and others with a significant following continues to rock public health to the utmost degree. We must fight to close this flooding disinformation pipeline before it drowns us."

She was responding to anti-fax lawyer Todd Callender's claim that the vaccine causes AIDS as part of an interview with Senator Ron Johnson (a Republican of the State of Wisconsin) whose position is (to put it extremely charitably) unclear. I probably have heard this flagrantly false claim before, but it still shocked me to read this. So, according to this conspiracy theory, Pfizer and Moderna want to get everyone sick with AIDS? To sell them medications for it? The mind reels.
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Are you going to apologize for the piece of ... misinformation you posted?
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Concerning misinformation during the pandemic (and misinformation more generally), In the Pipeline's Derek Lowe wrote, "They have been spun up to their current high RPM, as far as I can tell, by repeated consumption of that ******** that Bergstrom refers to. People send me links to podcasts and YouTube videos and slide presentations that are just fiestas of misunderstandings, nonsense, and outright lies, but they're presented with a huge amount of detail in confident, passionate tones by people who sound completely committed to the cause. I can easily see where people who have not spent years in medicine, biology, chemistry and such fields would be convinced that they are truly on to the truth when they see this stuff, and after the fourth, fifteenth, or fifty-third exposure to it they're even more so."

Derek Lowe is a medicinal chemist who has written a number of blog entries on this virus, the vaccines, and the antiviral compounds used to treat this virus. The connection to conspiracy theory thinking becomes a bit clearer in the last paragraph of this interesting essay.
Very dismal stuff. The internet is great and all. I'm sure that the net benefits outweigh the downsides. But the spread of misinformation via the internet is just atrocious. So much stuff that is clearly utter bollocks is believed by a lot of people these days, from Flat Earth to Q to all manner of other lies.
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
The Great Barrington Declaration people Jay Battacharya and Martin Kulldorff are apparently now sharing stages with.... Steve Kirsch!

You remember Steve Kirsch? Apparently famous for inventing the optical mouose and has since become a rabid anti-vaxxer who claims vaccines make the heads explode of fetuses of pregnant women.

They are sitting there in front of a PPT screen saying "vaccines are killing more people than they save" (500,000 people according to Kirsch).

WTAF!

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Kirsch was a hydroxychloroquine crank too.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
"MIT study finds COVID vaccines 'significantly associated' with jump in emergency heart problems"

https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...jump-emergency
Okay, fine, don't get the vaccine. We've vaccinated whom we need. The unvaccinated by choice are excess. Just have the decency to not go to the hospital if you get COVID. We shouldn't waste medical resources on the unvaccinated.
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Well, it seems that the consensus view is that this monkey pox is actually Shingles caused by the coronavirus vaccine.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Well, it seems that the consensus view is that this monkey pox is actually Shingles caused by the coronavirus vaccine.
Seems legit . . . if one is a credule gulled by the propaganda they consume.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Well, it seems that the consensus view is that this monkey pox is actually Shingles caused by the coronavirus vaccine.
Seeing as you didn't provide a link, I'm guessing that's your view. What is the evidence that convinced you?
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