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Old 27th April 2022, 12:04 PM   #441
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Originally Posted by Ethan Thane Athen View Post
Maybe (even likely) but some publishers don't help themselves - Bill Maher showed one of the 'problematic' maths questions in one of the banned books on his show the other night and it had a chart question based around attitudes to minorities by political affiliation or something similar. Completely unnecessary.

He did point out that was the worst of just 4 examples that had been given so he did put it into context but why feel the need to bring politics into a maths question. It just gives the Right more ammunition.
The 'parties' in the question were 'a, b, c, and d'. That's not remotely problematic.
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Old 27th April 2022, 01:28 PM   #442
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A bunch of trolling Right wingers are going to be by any second to explain to us just that...

Funny how they appear in flocks too. You'll see one, then another come by and back them up. It's cute, sorta reminds me of when I was a little kid and girls always went to the bathroom together as a group.
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Old 27th April 2022, 03:41 PM   #443
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The war between McCarthy and Tucker Carlson will prove entertainng, and I hope they do a lot of damage to each other.
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Old 27th April 2022, 04:04 PM   #444
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Originally Posted by Ethan Thane Athen View Post
Maybe (even likely) but some publishers don't help themselves - Bill Maher showed one of the 'problematic' maths questions in one of the banned books on his show the other night and it had a chart question based around attitudes to minorities by political affiliation or something similar. Completely unnecessary.

He did point out that was the worst of just 4 examples that had been given so he did put it into context but why feel the need to bring politics into a maths question. It just gives the Right more ammunition.
Could you please link to what examples Bill Maher presented? The only reference I can find is on Fox News and I don't want to disable my ad blocker to access it.

Also, earlier De Santis said that he wouldn't be releasing an examples from the rejected textbooks because they are "proprietary". So how did Maher get them...unless those were not form the actual rejected books.

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Could you please link to what examples Bill Maher presented? The only reference I can find is on Fox News and I don't want to disable my ad blocker to access it.

Also, earlier De Santis said that he wouldn't be releasing an examples from the rejected textbooks because they are "proprietary". So how did Maher get them...unless those were not form the actual rejected books.
Maher's examples are internet BS.
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Originally Posted by ZiprHead View Post
Maher's examples are internet BS.
They may be, but I'd like to see them for myself.
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Old 27th April 2022, 09:59 PM   #447
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The NY Times had this article, which cites issues with math problems that include building social and emotional skills.

"To learn together, disagree respectfully."

I can see why the modern Republicans would find an idea like that offensive.


“To have a growth mind-set, try a new way when you’re stuck.”

Changing how you do something? That sounds liberal to me.
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Old 28th April 2022, 01:44 AM   #448
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And when reminded Ukraine was not the only country Russia has invaded recently he shifted to some horrid POV that Russia had a right to invade any of the countries that were previously in the USSR.
Nah he didnt say that was Russias right. He only changed the reason for Russia to invade the other countries was not that they werent Nato allies but because they were previously in the USSR.
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Nah he didnt say that was Russias right. He only changed the reason for Russia to invade the other countries was not that they werent Nato allies but because they were previously in the USSR.
Paul used the typical denier language: "I'm not saying Russia was right to invade Ukraine..." except then why bring up the fact these were countries in the USSR?

And, he claimed the US triggered Putin to act by working to assist Ukraine in joining NATO. OK, but then what about the other countries Russia invaded the US was not assisting them joining NATO?

Dodging and goalpost shifting: Paul never addresses the challenges to his assertions the US triggered Putin to invade Ukraine.

So which is it: The US triggered Putin's action or Putin was/is invading former USSR countries without any US trigger? If Paul wants to blame Biden (which Paul clearly does) then he needs to explain how Ukraine differs from the other former USSR countries Putin invaded.


And all that is without even addressing the wrongness of Putin invading Ukraine which Paul admits is true. Paul wants the US to stay out of the fray. But Putin has more countries people suspect are next. We, along with the EU and other NATO countries, have to pick a point to stop him.

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Paul used the typical denier language: "I'm not saying Russia was right to invade Ukraine..." except then why bring up the fact these were countries in the USSR?

And, he claimed the US triggered Putin to act by working to assist Ukraine in joining NATO. OK, but then what about the other countries Russia invaded the US was not assisting them joining NATO?

Dodging and goalpost shifting: Paul never addresses the challenges to his assertions the US triggered Putin to invade Ukraine.

So which is it: The US triggered Putin's action or Putin was/is invading former USSR countries without any US trigger? If Paul wants to blame Biden (which Paul clearly does) then he needs to explain how Ukraine differs from the other former USSR countries Putin invaded.


And all that is without even addressing the wrongness of Putin invading Ukraine which Paul admits is true. Paul wants the US to stay out of the fray. But Putin has more countries people suspect are next. We, along with the EU and other NATO countries, have to pick a point to stop him.
A fair summary of Pauls heinous behaviour!
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I think a major issue is the oft repeated query by thickies..."What use is all this math we are learning today? Where are we ever going to use it?"

Attempting to put math within the context of analysing and making sense of the world around you? Why should the so called "left liberals" (at least what passes for them in the US) constantly tread on egg shells so that they don't hurt thick-headed conservative "feels"? Talk about who is calling who "snowflakes".
It can be very useful in detecting lies promulgated by politicians, their supporters and corporations.
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Ah, yes....the Party of Family Values:

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Former Idaho State Lawmaker Is Convicted of Raping an Intern
A jury unanimously found Aaron von Ehlinger, a Republican state representative from Lewiston, guilty of raping the 19-year-old in March 2021.
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A former Idaho state representative was convicted Friday of raping a 19-year-old legislative intern after a dinner in March 2021, a case that spurred the Republican lawmaker’s resignation last year and the censure of another lawmaker who had doxxed the victim.
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In November, a Republican Idaho lawmaker who had shared the personal information of the woman online after she accused Mr. von Ehlinger was formally censured by the state’s House of Representatives.

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Ah, yes....the Party of Family Values:

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A jury unanimously found Aaron von Ehlinger, a Republican state representative from Lewiston, guilty of raping the 19-year-old in March 2021.
That's really good news because she walked out of the courtroom and they had to withdraw her testimony because she couldn't be cross-examined.
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https://dallasvoice.com/ethics-compl...-male-staffer/

The GOP is going after Cawthon. Seems like he enjoys doing manly things with other men. Notably one of his own staffers.

Cawthorn with a man is not the source of the ethics complaint. Every other aspect of his relationship with this staffer is the problem. I guess he never heard of Wayne Hayes and Elizabeth Ray.
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https://dallasvoice.com/ethics-compl...-male-staffer/

The GOP is going after Cawthon. Seems like he enjoys doing manly things with other men. Notably one of his own staffers.

Cawthorn with a man is not the source of the ethics complaint. Every other aspect of his relationship with this staffer is the problem. I guess he never heard of Wayne Hayes and Elizabeth Ray.
This immediately makes me wonder how deep a nerve Cawthorn's cocaine and sex party claims touched and how much of this is specifically for the purpose of discrediting him so people don't look into such further. With that said, I'm tempted to say that this couldn't have happened to a better person, but, well... the higher reaches of the GOP seem to have a remarkable number of contenders.
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This immediately makes me wonder how deep a nerve Cawthorn's cocaine and sex party claims touched and how much of this is specifically for the purpose of discrediting him so people don't look into such further. With that said, I'm tempted to say that this couldn't have happened to a better person, but, well... the higher reaches of the GOP seem to have a remarkable number of contenders.
I describe Cawthorn as having all the mendacity of Matt Gaetz but with half the IQ. And it isn't like Gaetz is a genius.
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https://dallasvoice.com/ethics-compl...-male-staffer/

The GOP is going after Cawthon. Seems like he enjoys doing manly things with other men. Notably one of his own staffers.

Cawthorn with a man is not the source of the ethics complaint. Every other aspect of his relationship with this staffer is the problem. I guess he never heard of Wayne Hayes and Elizabeth Ray.
As a first order approximation "All GOP accusations are confessions" seems to apply here.
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I describe Cawthorn as having all the mendacity of Matt Gaetz but with half the IQ. And it isn't like Gaetz is a genius.
IOW, the Perfect Fall Guy for the GOP.
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Originally Posted by Doubt View Post
https://dallasvoice.com/ethics-compl...-male-staffer/

The GOP is going after Cawthon. Seems like he enjoys doing manly things with other men. Notably one of his own staffers.

Cawthorn with a man is not the source of the ethics complaint. Every other aspect of his relationship with this staffer is the problem. I guess he never heard of Wayne Hayes and Elizabeth Ray.
I'm not going to link the video but yeah, I'm no expert but...that was gay sex. I wish to point out that there's nothing wrong with gay sex. I also wish to point out that Cawthorn was having gay sex. I will leave it to the reader to decide how this video comports with his public stances on LGBTQ related issues.
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I'm not going to link the video but yeah, I'm no expert but...that was gay sex. I wish to point out that there's nothing wrong with gay sex. I also wish to point out that Cawthorn was having gay sex. I will leave it to the reader to decide how this video comports with his public stances on LGBTQ related issues.
It's OK, he left his agenda at home.
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Man accused of killing wife among winners in Indiana primary race

Andrew Wilhoite, from Lebanon, has been charged with murder in the death of his wife, Nikki Wilhoite, 41.

On Tuesday, he secured a spot as one of three Republican candidates in the race for a seat on the Clinton Township Board.

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Man accused of killing wife among winners in Indiana primary race

Andrew Wilhoite, from Lebanon, has been charged with murder in the death of his wife, Nikki Wilhoite, 41.

On Tuesday, he secured a spot as one of three Republican candidates in the race for a seat on the Clinton Township Board.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ge/9673108002/
[sarcasm]And he had Trump's endorsement! [/sarcasm]
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No I demand a civil debate about why people who murder their wives should be in politics. Come back here and debate me about that you cowards.
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No I demand a civil debate about why people who murder their wives should be in politics. Come back here and debate me about that you cowards.
God has forgiven him, why shouldn't we? /s
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No I demand a civil debate about why people who murder their wives should be in politics. Come back here and debate me about that you cowards.
Taking away their autonomy over their own bodies, cheating on them, beating them, killing them...they're just split tails. I don't see the problem...
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Fortunately or unfortunately he is one of many vying to run for governor. Our primary is August 8th and we have quite the crowd of whack jobs running and he fits right in. Sadly, regardless of who wins the primary, Whitmer will have a tough run in November. Hopefully she wins, but there are a ton of MAGAs around the state, so no guarantee.
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Of course he's right, too, having conveniently redefined everything that isn't rule by a minority of ignorant misogynistic reactionary bigots as communism.
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PA has a real nut job running for Gov, too: Doug Mastriano is a dyed-in-the-wool Trump Big Lie supporter who opens his rallies asking if there are "Christian patriots" in the audience.

The right-wing has taken a word that used to mean something positive to virtually all Americans, "patriot", and turned it into a negative for more than half the country.
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PA has a real nut job running for Gov, too: Doug Mastriano is a dyed-in-the-wool Trump Big Lie supporter who opens his rallies asking if there are "Christian patriots" in the audience.

The right-wing has taken a word that used to mean something positive to virtually all Americans, "patriot", and turned it into a negative for more than half the country.
I dunno about half the country. Patriotism really isn't a bad thing as a concept, which is why it's still so effective. It's just really hard to believe that most of those on the right that loudly try to weaponize patriotism against Democrats both understand and practice actual patriotism. Almost invariably, they constantly prove that they put party over country, after all. Just like they prove that their cries for "Free Speech" means much the opposite.

Either way, those who actually are patriots generally don't see the need to flaunt it, I think.
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I'm not going to link the video but yeah, I'm no expert but...that was gay sex. I wish to point out that there's nothing wrong with gay sex. I also wish to point out that Cawthorn was having gay sex. I will leave it to the reader to decide how this video comports with his public stances on LGBTQ related issues.
Still a nearly 100% strike rate: Any right-wing ranter against some particular "sin" is invariably neck-deep in it themselves.
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Still a nearly 100% strike rate: Any right-wing ranter against some particular "sin" is invariably neck-deep in it themselves.
"Every accusation is a confession" is a phrase that comes to mind far too accurately for so much of right wing ranting.
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I dunno about half the country. Patriotism really isn't a bad thing as a concept, which is why it's still so effective. It's just really hard to believe that most of those on the right that loudly try to weaponize patriotism against Democrats both understand and practice actual patriotism. Almost invariably, they constantly prove that they put party over country, after all. Just like they prove that their cries for "Free Speech" means much the opposite.

Either way, those who actually are patriots generally don't see the need to flaunt it, I think.
That's my point. When I hear the word 'Patriot' now, I don't envision George Washington, Ben Franklin, etc.; I see someone wearing a MAGA hat at a Trump rally.
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That's my point. When I hear the word 'Patriot' now, I don't envision George Washington, Ben Franklin, etc.; I see someone wearing a MAGA hat at a Trump rally.
A grunting mob of simians have co-opted a term that once engendered pride by exemplifying the best of citizenry, besmirching, debasing, defiling it by association to the traitorous red hats of the American Brown Shirts who have already enacted their own 'Beer Hall putsch' in service of the Christo-Fascist Party.
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Old 12th May 2022, 12:57 AM   #475
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
A grunting mob of simians have co-opted a term that once engendered pride by exemplifying the best of citizenry, besmirching, debasing, defiling it by association to the traitorous red hats of the American Brown Shirts who have already enacted their own 'Beer Hall putsch' in service of the Christo-Fascist Party.
Don't hold back, Lurch. Tell us how you really feel.
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These days those who call themselves patriots too often show themselves to be treasonous jackasses.
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PA has a real nut job running for Gov, too: Doug Mastriano is a dyed-in-the-wool Trump Big Lie supporter who opens his rallies asking if there are "Christian patriots" in the audience.

The right-wing has taken a word that used to mean something positive to virtually all Americans, "patriot", and turned it into a negative for more than half the country.
"Christian" as well, at least for me. It's astounding how full of hate most of them are.
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And the Overton Window gets pulled a bit further to the right.
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
And the Overton Window gets pulled a bit further to the right.
But not by that insane outburst.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
"Christian" as well, at least for me. It's astounding how full of hate most of them are.
If you saw the latest Young Sheldon episode, that is depicted quite nicely.
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