[Continuation] General UK politics [2] - Page 9

Worm · 10th March 2022, 03:32 AM

As long as the press stick on the right side of 'this is what was said in the House' compared to 'this is accurate information', then it's a bit of a non-issue.

Captain_Swoop · 10th March 2022, 03:36 AM

From Tuesday, Ukrainian nationals with a passport or ID card will be able to apply for a visa entirely virtually, without having to visit a visa application centre.
Eligible Ukrainians will receive an email confirmation to allow them to board a plane, train or boat.

Plus, the Army are going to be sent to the Visa centres to help out, if the French and Belgium governments agree to the British Army entering the countries.

Captain_Swoop · 10th March 2022, 03:40 AM

Didn't the government pass a law that lets citizenship be revoked?
Why not cancel the Russian visas, unless the 'golden' visas have special terms of course.

Captain_Swoop · 10th March 2022, 03:42 AM

Carter-Ruck and Harbottle-Lewis are two of the law firms involved.
Why am I not surprised?

Captain_Swoop · 10th March 2022, 03:53 AM

Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich is added to UK sanctions list.
That's harsh, he's only had a couple of weeks to get his money out.

Captain_Swoop · 10th March 2022, 03:57 AM

A new streamlined approach for Ukrainians to come to the UK will be in operation from next Tuesday, Home Secretary Priti Patel has told MPs.

Refugees won't need to go to a visa application centre. Instead they will be able to apply digitally, and give their biometric data when they get to the UK, she said.

"Ukrainians with passports will be able go get permission to come here fully online, from wherever they are", Patel said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60685883

Darat · 10th March 2022, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

A new streamlined approach for Ukrainians to come to the UK will be in operation from next Tuesday, Home Secretary Priti Patel has told MPs.

Refugees won't need to go to a visa application centre. Instead they will be able to apply digitally, and give their biometric data when they get to the UK, she said.

"Ukrainians with passports will be able go get permission to come here fully online, from wherever they are", Patel said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60685883

Yeah because as we know IT projects done quickly always work 100% when they are rolled out...

Captain_Swoop · 10th March 2022, 04:09 AM

Chelsea can still operate under a special licence but will not be allowed to sell any more tickets. Only season ticket holders can go to games for the foreseeable future.

Captain_Swoop · 10th March 2022, 04:12 AM

Martin Lewis on Radio 4 just now says he is slightly worried that we are seeing 'potentially a deliberate narrative shift' that says the cost of living crisis is due to Ukraine and we all need to make sacrifices.

Captain_Swoop · 10th March 2022, 04:17 AM

Don’t worry about the cost of living crisis or fuel bills, the government has found a way to make it all better.
They are bringing forward plans for a new £1250 million 'flagship' to be Britain's 'Jewel in the Crown'. They plan to unveil it ahead of the Jubilee.

Can't they just use one of the seized Super Yachts?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...head-platinum/

erwinl · 10th March 2022, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

From Tuesday, Ukrainian nationals with a passport or ID card will be able to apply for a visa entirely virtually, without having to visit a visa application centre.
Eligible Ukrainians will receive an email confirmation to allow them to board a plane, train or boat.

Plus, the Army are going to be sent to the Visa centres to help out, if the French and Belgium governments agree to the British Army entering the countries.

Now why do I have the sneaky suspicion that eligible will mean things like 'not many' and 'not soon either'?

Captain_Swoop · 10th March 2022, 04:51 AM

Originally Posted by erwinl

Now why do I have the sneaky suspicion that eligible will mean things like 'not many' and 'not soon either'?

It's set to start next Tuesday.

Darat · 10th March 2022, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

It's set to start next Tuesday.

It was announced it's set to start Tuesday. That gets the headlines for the weekend sorted out.

erwinl · 10th March 2022, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

It's set to start next Tuesday.

Starting next Tuesday to start the process of vetting the fugitives for eligibility?
And when will they receive a confirmation? The next day? Or somewhere next month?

I'm very open to being surprised in this one, but at this very moment I'm still sceptical.

In the mean time France have already received 7500 fugitives from Ukraine and the amount of fugitives send away from their border is, by my knowledge, zero.
Neither of which the UK has anything to boast about.

ponderingturtle · 10th March 2022, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I keep on saying, the Britxers are under the delusion that Queen Victoria is still on the throne and Britian has a vast overseas empire.

It does, they just happen to be in a state of rebellion for a few decades, like between Russia and Ukraine.

Darat · 10th March 2022, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by erwinl

Starting next Tuesday to start the process of vetting the fugitives for eligibility?

...snip....

I see you do not understand how the UK government works.

When they are criticised by their comrades - the likes of the Daily Mail and The Sun, they will work out what needs to be announced to get back in their good books. These announcements are only about the public facing spin and getting a good headline. They are not linked to actual plans, actual activity or anything that wasn't pulled from their arse in the last 5 minutes.

We still haven't got a system up and running for the Afghanistan people who worked with us and are in danger of their lives if they remain in Afghanistan. And that was announced last summer to be in place by August 2021.

ponderingturtle · 10th March 2022, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

I have had folk around here tell me apparently completely seriously that it's terrible they have lost their cleaner because she decided to back to Poland/Albania/etc.

They shouldn't think of it as a loss, they should think of it as an opportunity to employ a true british person.

Darat · 10th March 2022, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

They shouldn't think of it as a loss, they should think of it as an opportunity to employ a true british person.

But they want more money and aren't scared of complaining to the authorities.

ponderingturtle · 10th March 2022, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

But they want more money and aren't scared of complaining to the authorities.

Isn't that the Sunny Uplands though?

jimbob · 10th March 2022, 09:44 AM

When Anneka Rice is attacking the Home Secretary

Quote:

Honestly, if my series had been called Challenge Priti the series would have fallen off air in episode 1

https://twitter.com/AnnekaRice/statu...15435037569024

Arcade22 · 10th March 2022, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Back to the issue of visas for Ukrainians wanting to flee to the UK, and Boris Johnson has been explaining why he is insisting on checks on people entering the country.

Some of those coming to the UK may still be armed, he said, and "perhaps not all of their identities are completely clear, their motivations completely clear."

Their motivation is to come and steal British jobs!

GlennB · 10th March 2022, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

I see you do not understand how the UK government works.

When they are criticised by their comrades - the likes of the Daily Mail and The Sun, they will work out what needs to be announced to get back in their good books. These announcements are only about the public facing spin and getting a good headline. They are not linked to actual plans, actual activity or anything that wasn't pulled from their arse in the last 5 minutes.

You missed an important part - the scheme will be described as 'world-leading'.

Darat · 10th March 2022, 10:47 AM

And the announcement has worked, made the BBC reports, explaining it all as if it will happen. Of course come Tuesday something else will have attracted the news agenda and this will be another successful policy* of the Tories.

*Tory newspeak: policy means announcement

Captain_Swoop · 10th March 2022, 11:16 AM

Just reading through the 1951 Refugee Convention that we're signed up to
Funny, but it doesn't appear to mention visas anywhere, or sponsorship.

https://www.unhcr.org/uk/about-us/ba...-protocol.html

Darat · 10th March 2022, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Just reading through the 1951 Refugee Convention that we're signed up to
Funny, but it doesn't appear to mention visas anywhere, or sponsorship.

https://www.unhcr.org/uk/about-us/ba...-protocol.html

The UK government's position has been quite clear - the UK is not bound by any treaty.

Captain_Swoop · 10th March 2022, 04:48 PM

The NFU is asking the government to release an additional 10,000 visas under the Seasonal Workers Scheme, in addition to the 30,000 already granted.

p0lka · 10th March 2022, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

At PMQs Boris said the UK has done more to resettle vulnerable people since 2015 than any other country in Europe.
Probably one of the most barefaced lies he has ever told.

Unparalleled even.

p0lka · 10th March 2022, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by GlennB

You missed an important part - the scheme will be described as 'world-leading'.

and coming over the next hill, if only you vote for them.

Captain_Swoop · 10th March 2022, 05:45 PM

Over on GB News, Nigel Farage is complaining on his show about the government sanctioning Russian oligarchs.

"Is it right to seize people's assets without any form of due process? And will it really turn Russians against Vladimir Putin? I'm concerned about the way this is being done."
He complained there's no "equity" for those being sanctioned and asked Theo Paphitis: "Where's the due process?"
Paphitis said "There's no due process about moving into Ukraine and bombing innocent civilians, so please don't give me 'no due process.'"

Good for Theo!

Vixen · 10th March 2022, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Over on GB News, Nigel Farage is complaining on his show about the government sanctioning Russian oligarchs.

"Is it right to seize people's assets without any form of due process? And will it really turn Russians against Vladimir Putin? I'm concerned about the way this is being done."
He complained there's no "equity" for those being sanctioned and asked Theo Paphitis: "Where's the due process?"
Paphitis said "There's no due process about moving into Ukraine and bombing innocent civilians, so please don't give me 'no due process.'"

Good for Theo!

Well, of course, the government cannot seize Russian oligarchs' assets (as in confiscate) without due cause (such as Proceeds of Crime Act, for which it would need to prosecute first, which it can't without the Crown Prosecution Process). However, it CAN and HAS made these assets subject to needing a licence for any taken action on them, such as selling them or initiating a legal process, such as making an appeal or hiring a lawyer.

Mojo · 11th March 2022, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

At PMQs Boris said the UK has done more to resettle vulnerable people since 2015 than any other country in Europe.
Probably one of the most barefaced lies he has ever told.

It’s got a lot of competition, for example: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ng-times-video

Darat · 11th March 2022, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

The NFU is asking the government to release an additional 10,000 visas under the Seasonal Workers Scheme, in addition to the 30,000 already granted.

Control of our borders.... except when it is inconvenient to the money people.

Darat · 11th March 2022, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Vixen

Well, of course, the government cannot seize Russian oligarchs' assets (as in confiscate) without due cause (such as Proceeds of Crime Act, for which it would need to prosecute first, which it can't without the Crown Prosecution Process). However, it CAN and HAS made these assets subject to needing a licence for any taken action on them, such as selling them or initiating a legal process, such as making an appeal or hiring a lawyer.

Of course it can. Parliament is supreme, they could have brought a bill forward "We will ignore law a,b,c and take hold of all assets we can of Mr X, Ms R, Mr Y", there is no way it wouldn't have passed in a quick sitting in the HoC and then it becomes the law of the land. (Probably get a lot of Tories not voting for it...)

jimbob · 11th March 2022, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Of course it can. Parliament is supreme, they could have brought a bill forward "We will ignore law a,b,c and take hold of all assets we can of Mr X, Ms R, Mr Y", there is no way it wouldn't have passed in a quick sitting in the HoC and then it becomes the law of the land. (Probably get a lot of Tories not voting for it...)

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debat...b.158.0#g159.1

Quote:

“(1) The Secretary of State may by notice publish the name of a person being considered as a subject for sanctions.

(2) A person in respect of whom a notice has been published under subsection (1) is immediately subject to the provisions of this section.

(3) A person in respect of whom a notice has been published under subsection (1) is prohibited from—

(a) selling any assets they own or have an interest in,

(b) moving any assets they own or have an interest in out of the United Kingdom, or

(c) moving any of their funds out of the United Kingdom.

<snip>

AYE 234 (8 Conservatives)
NO 299 (all Conservatives)

Captain_Swoop · 11th March 2022, 03:23 AM

If I were a refugee the UK would be the last place on my list.
Why would I move to a country with a government paid for & run by Russians?
There are ministers now who wouldn't get a visa.

Vixen · 11th March 2022, 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Of course it can. Parliament is supreme, they could have brought a bill forward "We will ignore law a,b,c and take hold of all assets we can of Mr X, Ms R, Mr Y", there is no way it wouldn't have passed in a quick sitting in the HoC and then it becomes the law of the land. (Probably get a lot of Tories not voting for it...)

You are confusing 'can' with 'could'. I was actually refuting Nigel Farage's claim that the government has seized oligarch's assets, when in fact, that is not the case. As the law stands it cannot seize anyone's assets, except via criminal proceedings, bankruptcy/liquidation and or other High Court proceedings.

In the case of Abramovich it appears to be treating Chelsea FC in a similar way to a company in Administration, however, there is a clause that Abramovich cannot benefit from the proceeds of sale, so one wonders who will get the goodwill or profit from any such sale. Maybe the government as the Special Licence holder. Hmmm.

Or maybe it will be taken as 'fees' by the agency acting as the licence providers.

Vixen · 11th March 2022, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

If I were a refugee the UK would be the last place on my list.
Why would I move to a country with a government paid for & run by Russians?
There are ministers now who wouldn't get a visa.

And you can only stay for a year. Compare and contrast with the EU. When you consider 50% of the refuges are children, it seems hard to believe that fear of disguised Russian spies is the reason for the caution.

Captain_Swoop · 11th March 2022, 04:06 AM

Priti Patel ignored warnings that the Home Office contractor which told desperate Ukrainian refugees to wait weeks for visa appointments had the “sole focus” of making a profit and a history of squeezing cash out of applicants, openDemocracy can reveal.

It was claimed yesterday in Parliament that TLSContact’s visa centre in Rzeszow, Poland, had turned away applicants who had queued in freezing temperatures for hours, saying it had no slots available until the end of April. Reports on social media claimed the firm had been pressuring Ukrainians to pay for extra services beyond its basic free appointments.

Now it has emerged that the home secretary was told by the Independent Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration in November 2021 that TLSContact was so hell-bent on making profit that its use posed a risk of “reputational damage” to the UK. The firm has been handed government contracts worth hundreds of millions of pounds since 2014.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ukr...?utm_source=tw

Darat · 11th March 2022, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Priti Patel ignored warnings that the Home Office contractor which told desperate Ukrainian refugees to wait weeks for visa appointments had the “sole focus” of making a profit and a history of squeezing cash out of applicants, openDemocracy can reveal.

It was claimed yesterday in Parliament that TLSContact’s visa centre in Rzeszow, Poland, had turned away applicants who had queued in freezing temperatures for hours, saying it had no slots available until the end of April. Reports on social media claimed the firm had been pressuring Ukrainians to pay for extra services beyond its basic free appointments.

Now it has emerged that the home secretary was told by the Independent Chief Inspector of Borders and Immigration in November 2021 that TLSContact was so hell-bent on making profit that its use posed a risk of “reputational damage” to the UK. The firm has been handed government contracts worth hundreds of millions of pounds since 2014.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/ukr...?utm_source=tw

That report was obviously a load of crap - any report that thinks the UK still has any reputation left to be damaged is deluded!

Captain_Swoop · 11th March 2022, 04:42 AM

In 1915, the exhibition buildings at Earls Court were turned into a refugee centre to accommodate up to 2000 refugees from Europe.

I’ve suddenly thought of a use for all those Nightingale hospital beds that must still be in storage somewhere.

10th March 2022, 03:32 AM	#321
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10th March 2022, 04:00 AM	#327
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 101,791	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop A new streamlined approach for Ukrainians to come to the UK will be in operation from next Tuesday, Home Secretary Priti Patel has told MPs. Refugees won't need to go to a visa application centre. Instead they will be able to apply digitally, and give their biometric data when they get to the UK, she said. "Ukrainians with passports will be able go get permission to come here fully online, from wherever they are", Patel said. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60685883 Yeah because as we know IT projects done quickly always work 100% when they are rolled out...
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10th March 2022, 04:48 AM	#331
erwinl Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,244	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop From Tuesday, Ukrainian nationals with a passport or ID card will be able to apply for a visa entirely virtually, without having to visit a visa application centre. Eligible Ukrainians will receive an email confirmation to allow them to board a plane, train or boat. Plus, the Army are going to be sent to the Visa centres to help out, if the French and Belgium governments agree to the British Army entering the countries. Now why do I have the sneaky suspicion that eligible will mean things like 'not many' and 'not soon either'?
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10th March 2022, 05:03 AM	#333
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 101,791	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop It's set to start next Tuesday. It was announced it's set to start Tuesday. That gets the headlines for the weekend sorted out.
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10th March 2022, 05:09 AM	#334
erwinl Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,244	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop It's set to start next Tuesday. Starting next Tuesday to start the process of vetting the fugitives for eligibility? And when will they receive a confirmation? The next day? Or somewhere next month? I'm very open to being surprised in this one, but at this very moment I'm still sceptical. In the mean time France have already received 7500 fugitives from Ukraine and the amount of fugitives send away from their border is, by my knowledge, zero. Neither of which the UK has anything to boast about.
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10th March 2022, 03:36 AM	#322
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,120	From Tuesday, Ukrainian nationals with a passport or ID card will be able to apply for a visa entirely virtually, without having to visit a visa application centre. Eligible Ukrainians will receive an email confirmation to allow them to board a plane, train or boat. Plus, the Army are going to be sent to the Visa centres to help out, if the French and Belgium governments agree to the British Army entering the countries.

10th March 2022, 03:40 AM	#323
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,120	Didn't the government pass a law that lets citizenship be revoked? Why not cancel the Russian visas, unless the 'golden' visas have special terms of course.

10th March 2022, 03:42 AM	#324
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,120	Carter-Ruck and Harbottle-Lewis are two of the law firms involved. Why am I not surprised?

10th March 2022, 03:53 AM	#325
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,120	Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich is added to UK sanctions list. That's harsh, he's only had a couple of weeks to get his money out.

10th March 2022, 03:57 AM	#326
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,120	A new streamlined approach for Ukrainians to come to the UK will be in operation from next Tuesday, Home Secretary Priti Patel has told MPs. Refugees won't need to go to a visa application centre. Instead they will be able to apply digitally, and give their biometric data when they get to the UK, she said. "Ukrainians with passports will be able go get permission to come here fully online, from wherever they are", Patel said. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-60685883

10th March 2022, 04:09 AM	#328
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,120	Chelsea can still operate under a special licence but will not be allowed to sell any more tickets. Only season ticket holders can go to games for the foreseeable future.

10th March 2022, 04:12 AM	#329
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,120	Martin Lewis on Radio 4 just now says he is slightly worried that we are seeing 'potentially a deliberate narrative shift' that says the cost of living crisis is due to Ukraine and we all need to make sacrifices.

10th March 2022, 04:17 AM	#330
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,120	Don’t worry about the cost of living crisis or fuel bills, the government has found a way to make it all better. They are bringing forward plans for a new £1250 million 'flagship' to be Britain's 'Jewel in the Crown'. They plan to unveil it ahead of the Jubilee. Can't they just use one of the seized Super Yachts? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...head-platinum/

10th March 2022, 04:51 AM	#332
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,120	Originally Posted by erwinl Now why do I have the sneaky suspicion that eligible will mean things like 'not many' and 'not soon either'? It's set to start next Tuesday.

10th March 2022, 08:08 AM	#335
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 52,382	Originally Posted by dudalb I keep on saying, the Britxers are under the delusion that Queen Victoria is still on the throne and Britian has a vast overseas empire. It does, they just happen to be in a state of rebellion for a few decades, like between Russia and Ukraine.
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10th March 2022, 08:15 AM	#336
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 101,791	Originally Posted by erwinl Starting next Tuesday to start the process of vetting the fugitives for eligibility? ...snip.... I see you do not understand how the UK government works. When they are criticised by their comrades - the likes of the Daily Mail and The Sun, they will work out what needs to be announced to get back in their good books. These announcements are only about the public facing spin and getting a good headline. They are not linked to actual plans, actual activity or anything that wasn't pulled from their arse in the last 5 minutes. We still haven't got a system up and running for the Afghanistan people who worked with us and are in danger of their lives if they remain in Afghanistan. And that was announced last summer to be in place by August 2021.
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10th March 2022, 08:19 AM	#337
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 52,382	Originally Posted by Darat I have had folk around here tell me apparently completely seriously that it's terrible they have lost their cleaner because she decided to back to Poland/Albania/etc. They shouldn't think of it as a loss, they should think of it as an opportunity to employ a true british person.
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10th March 2022, 08:21 AM	#338
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 101,791	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle They shouldn't think of it as a loss, they should think of it as an opportunity to employ a true british person. But they want more money and aren't scared of complaining to the authorities.
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10th March 2022, 08:25 AM	#339
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 52,382	Originally Posted by Darat But they want more money and aren't scared of complaining to the authorities. Isn't that the Sunny Uplands though?
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10th March 2022, 09:44 AM	#340
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10th March 2022, 10:09 AM	#341
Arcade22 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 7,435	Quote: Back to the issue of visas for Ukrainians wanting to flee to the UK, and Boris Johnson has been explaining why he is insisting on checks on people entering the country. Some of those coming to the UK may still be armed, he said, and "perhaps not all of their identities are completely clear, their motivations completely clear." Their motivation is to come and steal British jobs!
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10th March 2022, 10:25 AM	#342
GlennB Loggerheaded, earth-vexing fustilarian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Leching at tractors (in Wales) Posts: 27,830	Originally Posted by Darat I see you do not understand how the UK government works. When they are criticised by their comrades - the likes of the Daily Mail and The Sun, they will work out what needs to be announced to get back in their good books. These announcements are only about the public facing spin and getting a good headline. They are not linked to actual plans, actual activity or anything that wasn't pulled from their arse in the last 5 minutes. You missed an important part - the scheme will be described as 'world-leading'.
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10th March 2022, 10:47 AM	#343
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 101,791	And the announcement has worked, made the BBC reports, explaining it all as if it will happen. Of course come Tuesday something else will have attracted the news agenda and this will be another successful policy* of the Tories. *Tory newspeak: policy means announcement
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10th March 2022, 11:16 AM	#344
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,120	Just reading through the 1951 Refugee Convention that we're signed up to Funny, but it doesn't appear to mention visas anywhere, or sponsorship. https://www.unhcr.org/uk/about-us/ba...-protocol.html

10th March 2022, 11:18 AM	#345
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 101,791	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Just reading through the 1951 Refugee Convention that we're signed up to Funny, but it doesn't appear to mention visas anywhere, or sponsorship. https://www.unhcr.org/uk/about-us/ba...-protocol.html The UK government's position has been quite clear - the UK is not bound by any treaty.
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10th March 2022, 04:48 PM	#346
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,120	The NFU is asking the government to release an additional 10,000 visas under the Seasonal Workers Scheme, in addition to the 30,000 already granted.

10th March 2022, 05:10 PM	#347
p0lka Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: near trees, houses and a lake. Posts: 2,833	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop At PMQs Boris said the UK has done more to resettle vulnerable people since 2015 than any other country in Europe. Probably one of the most barefaced lies he has ever told. Unparalleled even.

10th March 2022, 05:15 PM	#348
p0lka Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: near trees, houses and a lake. Posts: 2,833	Originally Posted by GlennB You missed an important part - the scheme will be described as 'world-leading'. and coming over the next hill, if only you vote for them.

10th March 2022, 05:45 PM	#349
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,120	Over on GB News, Nigel Farage is complaining on his show about the government sanctioning Russian oligarchs. "Is it right to seize people's assets without any form of due process? And will it really turn Russians against Vladimir Putin? I'm concerned about the way this is being done." He complained there's no "equity" for those being sanctioned and asked Theo Paphitis: "Where's the due process?" Paphitis said "There's no due process about moving into Ukraine and bombing innocent civilians, so please don't give me 'no due process.'" Good for Theo!
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10th March 2022, 11:58 PM	#350
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 28,928	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Over on GB News, Nigel Farage is complaining on his show about the government sanctioning Russian oligarchs. "Is it right to seize people's assets without any form of due process? And will it really turn Russians against Vladimir Putin? I'm concerned about the way this is being done." He complained there's no "equity" for those being sanctioned and asked Theo Paphitis: "Where's the due process?" Paphitis said "There's no due process about moving into Ukraine and bombing innocent civilians, so please don't give me 'no due process.'" Good for Theo! Well, of course, the government cannot seize Russian oligarchs' assets (as in confiscate) without due cause (such as Proceeds of Crime Act, for which it would need to prosecute first, which it can't without the Crown Prosecution Process). However, it CAN and HAS made these assets subject to needing a licence for any taken action on them, such as selling them or initiating a legal process, such as making an appeal or hiring a lawyer.
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11th March 2022, 12:36 AM	#351
Mojo Mostly harmless Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Nor Flanden Posts: 35,769	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop At PMQs Boris said the UK has done more to resettle vulnerable people since 2015 than any other country in Europe. Probably one of the most barefaced lies he has ever told. It’s got a lot of competition, for example: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ng-times-video
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11th March 2022, 02:18 AM	#352
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 101,791	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop The NFU is asking the government to release an additional 10,000 visas under the Seasonal Workers Scheme, in addition to the 30,000 already granted. Control of our borders.... except when it is inconvenient to the money people.
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11th March 2022, 02:23 AM	#353
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 101,791	Originally Posted by Vixen Well, of course, the government cannot seize Russian oligarchs' assets (as in confiscate) without due cause (such as Proceeds of Crime Act, for which it would need to prosecute first, which it can't without the Crown Prosecution Process). However, it CAN and HAS made these assets subject to needing a licence for any taken action on them, such as selling them or initiating a legal process, such as making an appeal or hiring a lawyer. Of course it can. Parliament is supreme, they could have brought a bill forward "We will ignore law a,b,c and take hold of all assets we can of Mr X, Ms R, Mr Y", there is no way it wouldn't have passed in a quick sitting in the HoC and then it becomes the law of the land. (Probably get a lot of Tories not voting for it...)
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11th March 2022, 02:31 AM	#354
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 25,564	Originally Posted by Darat Of course it can. Parliament is supreme, they could have brought a bill forward "We will ignore law a,b,c and take hold of all assets we can of Mr X, Ms R, Mr Y", there is no way it wouldn't have passed in a quick sitting in the HoC and then it becomes the law of the land. (Probably get a lot of Tories not voting for it...) https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debat...b.158.0#g159.1 Quote: “(1) The Secretary of State may by notice publish the name of a person being considered as a subject for sanctions. (2) A person in respect of whom a notice has been published under subsection (1) is immediately subject to the provisions of this section. (3) A person in respect of whom a notice has been published under subsection (1) is prohibited from— (a) selling any assets they own or have an interest in, (b) moving any assets they own or have an interest in out of the United Kingdom, or (c) moving any of their funds out of the United Kingdom. <snip> AYE 234 (8 Conservatives) NO 299 (all Conservatives)
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11th March 2022, 03:23 AM	#355
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 42,120	If I were a refugee the UK would be the last place on my list. Why would I move to a country with a government paid for & run by Russians? There are ministers now who wouldn't get a visa.