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Old 13th June 2018, 08:34 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Now I live in a district where our rep would crawl on his hands and knees over broken glass just to piss in Turmp's diet soda (of course from the Steele Dossier, he may like that so the analogy may need some work). I don't get the feeling he needs my encouragement to destroy anything Trump is for.
This is a bit of a tangent, but the pee thing in the Steele Dossier involved women peeing on a bed that Obama slept in, not them peeing on Trump. The "Golden Shower" thing repeated by a bunch of the media is just wrong or overtly misleading.
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Old 13th June 2018, 08:42 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by Francesca R View Post
"Free market" doesn't really apply to internet data taken as a whole because it is much closer to being a natural monopoly (average cost of supply falls as supply increases). But specifically it is the fixed cost of the infrastructure that makes it that way, like it does for stuff like electricity, and even to an extent gas.

Over many years of discussing this here I have accepted that if (for whatever reason) the US will not separate transmission infrastructure from internet data service, such that the combined thing is an effective natural monopoly, then it should be treated as a utility which should mean at least a minimum speed for all traffic if not full neutrality.

If (as in many countries) infrastructure is separated and "unbundling" (sharing) it is made mandatory, then there are much lower barriers to competitive entry of data service providers. In that case they tend to provide neutrality for those who want it and speed tiered by content for those who don't. Although "labelling" in this regard is not exactly clear. (I suspect many people have little idea if their mobile data is network neutral or not)

In the UK (at least) I think there is emerging but not "hard" regulation on sharing of fibre infrastructure (much of which is built by private operators) right now.
I benefit from the use of differential pricing by the power company. I'm not sure why this one particular form of differential pricing by a utility is so much more egregious.
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Old 14th June 2018, 02:49 AM   #83
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If you mean a different electricity unit price at different times of day (which has been in operation for a long time in the UK), then it's qualitatively different from internet data where connection speed is differentiated by content or source. But both are demand or price management techniques, and once could imagine a movement getting up in arms about more expensive peak time electricity. I don't know that that has happened; there are some calls to regulate other types of dynamic pricing (EG Uber) and to some extent service providers are learning that whatever the economic efficiency of it the public/consumers are somewhat opposed anyway.
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Old 7th July 2018, 03:20 AM   #84
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And.... It's already begun. That thing that Comcast said they wouldn't do!
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Old 9th July 2018, 07:49 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
And.... It's already begun. That thing that Comcast said they wouldn't do!
Actually, I think tethering for unlimited phone plans has always been around (Our AT&T unlimited plan has always disallowed mobile phone tethering, unless you pay an additional fee).

I don't think this is net neutrality related; this is a service issue. Net neutrality would let them (say) throttle Netflix specifically unless you pay extra. They've always been able to filter on traffic type/protocol issues, lack of net neutrality lets them filter based on who is providing or accessing the content.
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Old 9th July 2018, 09:18 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by Hellbound View Post
Actually, I think tethering for unlimited phone plans has always been around (Our AT&T unlimited plan has always disallowed mobile phone tethering, unless you pay an additional fee).

I don't think this is net neutrality related; this is a service issue. Net neutrality would let them (say) throttle Netflix specifically unless you pay extra. They've always been able to filter on traffic type/protocol issues, lack of net neutrality lets them filter based on who is providing or accessing the content.
Thank you for the correction. Looks like I also got distracted from this part of the article -

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While Comcast is imposing the video and hotspot changes shortly after the repeal of net neutrality rules, the rules may not have stopped this form of throttling. The rules banned throttling, but they had an exception for "reasonable network management." The major wireless carriers have imposed various video and hotspot limits on their mobile networks without being punished by the Federal Communications Commission.
by the ensuing and rather annoying -

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Comcast is trying to convince customers that the new speed limits will be good for them. The 480p video limit "can help you save money if you pay By the Gig," and it could help unlimited data customers stay under the 20GB throttling threshold, Comcast told customers in the email.

On the 600kbps tethering limit, Comcast told customers, "At this speed, you'll conserve data so that it takes longer to reach the 20GB threshold, but you'll still be able to do many of the online activities you enjoy."
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Old 9th July 2018, 09:26 AM   #87
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Originally Posted by Hellbound View Post
Net neutrality would not let them (say) throttle Netflix specifically unless you pay extra.
ETA the highlighted, a minor correction for a likely typo.
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Originally Posted by paulhutch View Post
ETA the highlighted, a minor correction for a likely typo.
Doh! Yes, thank you for the correction I was thinking "lack of net neutrality", decided to change the clumsy wording, and neglected to add my not.

Er, the sun was in my eyes, yeah, that's it...
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