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Old 6th November 2018, 07:34 AM   #41
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He obviously knows that what he's proposing isn't going to happen, so is he making some cash out of it or is it just an ego thing? Or is he a little bit crazy?
Virtue Signaling to Jesus when the Rapture comes next week.
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Old 6th November 2018, 07:38 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
Linky.

The Rolling Stones article is quite long, but gives a good overall picture of the movement he is a part of. Meanwhile, it has been referred to the FBI.



Linky.
Killing all males doesn't sound like a great solution to killing foetuses.
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I mentioned this guy in the mid-term thread. It seems Spokane is a hot-bed of neo-Nazism. I'll be interested in Baylor's thoughts (those aren't words I ever expected to type).
Is it against the MA to ask whether Baylor is Shea or just someone working on his campaign?
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Old 6th November 2018, 08:17 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Virtue Signaling to Jesus when the Rapture comes next week.
Nah, just $$$$$.
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Old 6th November 2018, 09:35 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
I mentioned this guy in the mid-term thread. It seems Spokane is a hot-bed of neo-Nazism. I'll be interested in Baylor's thoughts (those aren't words I ever expected to type).
Like most US cities, Spokane per se is probably relatively liberal. It'll be the countryside around that's not. The real nutballs tend to be a bit further east in northern Idaho and northwestern Montana.

ETA: If I remember from the other thread, you may have thought Shea is a member of the US Congress. He's not; just a representative in the state legislature. Lots of real crazies in the state legislatures.
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Killing all males doesn't sound like a great solution to killing foetuses.
Maybe you just haven't thought that through?
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Old 6th November 2018, 10:43 AM   #47
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People don't often realize how different some parts of states can be from others. California is blue, but the deserts of South eastern and central eastern California are as red as it gets. Crazy, arch-conservative red in the state that is often used as the example of liberalism.

There are several enclaves* on the coast too. It's usually their last CA residence before deciding to move to Alaska and beyond.


*you might also know them as compounds
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Or invited to dinner at the White House.
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A number of businesses who contributed to his campaing have denounced him and are demanding their money back.
No word from the Washington GOP, though. Shea is Republican State Representative in some leadership positions on commitees. I suspect he will be stripped ofhis leadership positions as soon as the legislature meets again.
I'd assume both with trump offering a pardon.
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Maybe you just haven't thought that through?
My point is that if you're against killing "babies" because it's murder, the solution of killing adults doesn't seem morally superior to it.
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Old 6th November 2018, 12:26 PM   #50
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We can only hope.


As for the OP, it's once again that hardy perennial, the obscure Republican state legislator that says something stupid. I kinda wish there was some news aggregator out there tracking the dumb things obscure Democrats say. No, actually I don't care what some legislator in Rhode Island or Massachusetts says.
You should care. Is it really so hard to criticize what Shea has done just because he's a Republican?

This seems to me to be a knee jerk "must defend the GOP no matter what" reaction. Rather than condemn Shea for his outrageous behavior, obscure state legislator or not, you resort to a "whataboutism".
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I think some long time Republicans are simply in Denial about how far to the right their party has moved.
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Old 7th November 2018, 09:29 AM   #52
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I think some long time Republicans are simply in Denial about how far to the right their party has moved.
Definitely the case. Its pretty much inevitable. A problem with human nature. Folks will change their opinion to conform to their group identity.

Its obvious and extreme in the case of the GOP though.
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I am sickened by how many Republicans seem willing to accept pure bigotry if they decide that is what it takes to be a loyal Republican.
And that is what might, in the long run,destroy the GOP. The Dmeographics are changing rapidly,they can't keep winning by ,frankluy, stiriing up a white, older base.
Some in the GOP realized that in 2012 with the "GOP Post Mortum" in which they decided the GOP whould have to broaden it's base. That is 100% incompatible with Trumpism.
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Re-elected with 58% plus. Very sad.
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Re-elected with 58% plus. Very sad.
Well, the Epsilons need their representative in the Washington Legislature I suppose.
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I think some long time Republicans are simply in Denial about how far to the right their party has moved.
I wouldn't call it moving to the right. Stupid and bat-**** crazy aren't political positions.
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I wouldn't call it moving to the right. Stupid and bat-**** crazy aren't political positions.
You forgot about the Libertarians
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A recent Matt Shea interview which took place at an event where he was promoting Liberty, the new state proposed by Shea and other like-minded whackjobs, in the model of The American Redoubt (and with the same borders):

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The best(?) part is the last minute, when Shea goes on the offensive when asked if he denounces political violence, and storms off in a sanctimonious huff.
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My point is that if you're against killing "babies" because it's murder, the solution of killing adults doesn't seem morally superior to it.
But killing limp-wristed, effete, liberal males is OK. And has the benefit of leaving more females available. Kind of a Mormon-esque vibe going on there.
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I am sickened by how many Republicans seem willing to accept pure bigotry if they decide that is what it takes to be a loyal Republican.
And that is what might, in the long run,destroy the GOP. The Dmeographics are changing rapidly,they can't keep winning by ,frankluy, stiriing up a white, older base.
Some in the GOP realized that in 2012 with the "GOP Post Mortum" in which they decided the GOP whould have to broaden it's base. That is 100% incompatible with Trumpism.
I think they can keep limping along because people suck. Lots of people who are stigmatized by Republicans will continue to vote Republican because many of these stigmatized people like stigmatizing other people.

So take the white men who support Trump.

Add in Jewish people who also happen to be racist, or sexist, or homophobic, or who hate Muslims.
Add in black people who also happen to be homophobic, or sexist or antisemitic, or who hate Muslims.
Add in women who also happen to be racist, homophobic, and so on.
Add in gay people also happen to be racist, antisemitic, and so on.
Add in Muslims who also happen to be antisemitic, sexist, homophobic, etc.

The numbers of people who like to "punch down" and see the Republicans as the way to do so is pretty significant. Enough to keep the party viable for a long time.
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It appears Matt is still on the hot seat...

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The Washington state House has hired a firm to investigate whether Shea has engaged in, planned or promoted political violence and to determine the extent of his involvement with groups or people involved with such activities.
How does a person like this get re-elected? Is Spokane Valley that demented?
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It appears Matt is still on the hot seat...

How does a person like this get re-elected? Is Spokane Valley that demented?
I think every state has it's "Crazy Districts"'
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Shea is associated with a church in Marble, WA -- the Marble Community Fellowship -- that is training young people on weapons and combat to prepare for the aforementioned holy war, evidenced by leaked emails.
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It appears Matt is still on the hot seat...

How does a person like this get re-elected? Is Spokane Valley that demented?
Most of his voters probably know little or nothing about him other than that he has an (R) after his name.
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What a prince.
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Most of his voters probably know little or nothing about him other than that he has an (R) after his name.
He's been a controversial figure ever since being elected. The Spokane Review has covered him extensively. He advocates killing non Christians and divvying up their belongings. He was jettisoned from leadership by fellow republicans. He's received national attention.

I suspect the voters know more than you think.
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Shea is associated with a church in Marble, WA -- the Marble Community Fellowship -- that is training young people on weapons and combat to prepare for the aforementioned holy war, evidenced by leaked emails.
Terrorist training camps for child soldiers are okay if it's for Jesus.
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Wow, Matt Shea's subversive activities go far beyond terror camps for Christian child-soldiers.

Additional hits include creating a right-wing "intelligence" network to spy on and track liberal activists and local politicians, as well as creating an emergency "provisional" shadow government to prepare for PNW secession from the United States.
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I think the last comes under the heading of Treason...

And if the survilllece went beyond paranoid day dreaming,then Shea might have to start worrying not so much about being expelled from the state legislature, but about prison.
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I think the last comes under the heading of Treason...

And if the survilllece went beyond paranoid day dreaming,then Shea might have to start worrying not so much about being expelled from the state legislature, but about prison.
Yeah, I'm wondering at what point he officially becomes a terrorist (or supporter or whatever) in the eyes of the law.

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Yeah, I'm wondering at what point he officially becomes a terrorist (or supporter or whatever) in the eyes of the law.
Not under this administration!
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Yeah, I'm wondering at what point he officially becomes a terrorist (or supporter or whatever) in the eyes of the law.
Given the current administration's guidelines, probably when he becomes no longer a white male "christian".
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A new document has emerged via a former member of Shea's security team:

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I'm still looking for the actual document...
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The eight-page document, titled “Restoration,” details how Christian “patriots” should quash resistance, establish an interim government, decentralize services, restrict immigration based on ethnicity and amend the Constitution to “acknowledge that Jesus Christ rules over this state as our legitimate sovereign Lord and King from His place of authority at God’s right hand.” The document also calls for the death penalty for those who commit murder, rape, treason and “sodomy,” and calls for a discussion on whether adulterers should be executed, too.
Uh, oh...Run, Donald, run!
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A new document has emerged via a former member of Shea's security team:

I'm still looking for the actual document...
That is pretty much standard Restorationist rhetoric.
The Hard Line restorationist are so extreme that even most on the religious right are critical of them.
They can best be described as sort of a Christian ISIS.
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That is pretty much standard Restorationist rhetoric.
The Hard Line restorationist are so extreme that even most on the religious right are critical of them.
They can best be described as sort of a Christian ISIS.
Religious whack jobs scare me more than political zealots.
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These clowns are both.
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How many of them are there? A dozen? A hundred?

Reckon the local Boy Scouts could take them down no problem.
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How many of them are there? A dozen? A hundred?

Reckon the local Boy Scouts could take them down no problem.
More than that. Depending on exactly how you want to classify Shea and the groups that have similar goals and political leanings, you can lump him in with all kinds of anti-government "patriots" from sovereign citizens to Mormon fundamentalists, to organized militias. Even narrowing things down to include other Christian separatists in the PNW, there's an increasing number thanks to the decades-old Northwest Imperative movement that specifically encourages people with Shea's political leanings to settle in the PNW with the eventual goal of creating a new state; AFAIK, no one has exact numbers, but from following this stuff for a few years, it's way more than hundred. If you're interested, the podcast Bundyville does a pretty good job of summing up the impact and reach of people like Shea, especially in its second season. It's not comprehensive, but it's a good introduction.

It's easy to dismiss people like Shea as powerless whackos, but that's short-sighted and ignores how widespread his beliefs actually are. I'm increasingly convinced that if any domestic threat to the US manages to be successful, it's going to come from the "Patriot movement." It's already widespread, and has been increasingly getting legitimacy through people like Shea (and even to some extend Trump, with his rhetoric and certain actions like pardoning the Hammonds), and incidents like the Bundy standoffs, and Oregon state senators partnering with the Oath Keepers. These groups cast a wide net, relish violence, and are increasingly being emboldened by mainstream figures. As far as the boy scouts handling the situation goes, Shea has been a scout master in the past, so...

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More than that. Depending on exactly how you want to classify Shea and the groups that have similar goals and political leanings, you can lump him in with all kinds of anti-government "patriots" from sovereign citizens to Mormon fundamentalists, to organized militias. Even narrowing things down to include other Christian separatists in the PNW, there's an increasing number thanks to the decades-old Northwest Imperative movement that specifically encourages people with Shea's political leanings to settle in the PNW with the eventual goal of creating a new state; AFAIK, no one has exact numbers, but from following this stuff for a few years, it's way more than hundred. If you're interested, the podcast Bundyville does a pretty good job of summing up the impact and reach of people like Shea, especially in its second season. It's not comprehensive, but it's a good introduction.

It's easy to dismiss people like Shea as powerless whackos, but that's short-sighted and ignores how widespread his beliefs actually are. I'm increasingly convinced that if any domestic threat to the US manages to be successful, it's going to come from the "Patriot movement." It's already widespread, and has been increasingly getting legitimacy through people like Shea (and even to some extend Trump, with his rhetoric and certain actions like pardoning the Hammonds), and incidents like the Bundy standoffs, and Oregon state senators partnering with the Oath Keepers. These groups cast a wide net, relish violence, and are increasingly being emboldened by mainstream figures. As far as the boy scouts handling the situation goes, Shea has been a scout master in the past, so...
Yeah, was being ironic.

What they need is a "New Land" of their own. A place they can call home and build afresh with their own rules. A place where nobody will disturb them or tell them not to do whatever the hell they want. Somewhere they can fish and hunt and shoot to their heart's content with no "greenies" telling them otherwise. This is the place!
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