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Old 12th August 2019, 03:01 PM   #1
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One of Trump's Biggest Supporters has an Epiphany

After being attacked by Trump over the weekend, Anthony Scaramucci is now suggesting that Trump needs to be replaced on the 2020 Republican Ticket.

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Old 12th August 2019, 03:06 PM   #2
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Didn't he already turn on Trump? It's hard to keep up.
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Old 12th August 2019, 03:07 PM   #3
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Not surprised;Mooch always supported Donnie when Mooch thought there was something in it for him. He never struck me as somebody who has much in the way of political principals.
But Mooch needs to be careful; a lot of people compare him with the Joe Pesci charecters in "Goodfellows" and "Casino" and he needs to remember what happened to the character in that movie when his bosses turned on him....
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Old 12th August 2019, 03:14 PM   #4
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/polit...020/index.html
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In a tweet shortly after that CNN interview, Scaramucci wrote this:

"To those asking, 'what took so long?' You're right. I tried to see best in @realDonaldTrump based on private interactions and select policy alignment. But his increasingly divisive rhetoric - and damage it's doing to fabric of our society - outweighs any short-term economic gain."

Scaramucci is entitled to his own opinion. But not his own facts. And the facts simply do not line up with the idea that Trump's rhetoric is getting worse or more divisive -- particularly of late. The facts suggest that Trump has always been exactly the person he is today. There's no meaningful change -- for the better or the worse -- in his behavior. Trump is, quite simply, just being Trump.

Consider this: Two years ago today, white nationalist marchers in Charlottesville, Virginia, created a riot that left a woman -- Heather Heyer -- dead. In the wake of that incident, Trump blamed "both sides" -- the white supremacists and those who organized a counter-protest to them -- for Heyer's death.
And on and on and on.

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Old 12th August 2019, 03:14 PM   #5
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Oof. When I saw the thread title, I thought for sure this would be The One Thing That Ends Trump.
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Old 12th August 2019, 03:58 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Oof. When I saw the thread title, I thought for sure this would be The One Thing That Ends Trump.
When I saw the thread title I thought it was going to be about a thirteen year-old girl named Epiphany, in the fallout of the Epstein case.
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Old 12th August 2019, 04:35 PM   #7
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The Mooch is the kind of trivia answer Trump always should have been. "Remember when he led in the polls for a couple weeks?"
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Old 12th August 2019, 04:39 PM   #8
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I don't see where Trump has changed all that much since the Mooch agreed to work for him. He was trying to ignore what was obvious until he couldn't anymore. Still, I guess we should be gracious now that he's abandoned his betrayal of the nation.
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Old 12th August 2019, 04:59 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
I don't see where Trump has changed all that much since the Mooch agreed to work for him. He was trying to ignore what was obvious until he couldn't anymore. Still, I guess we should be gracious now that he's abandoned his betrayal of the nation.
Apparently in an Interview on Friday, Mooch offered some mild criticism of Trump, mainly that if he wanted to be reelected he should tune down some of the racially charged rhetoric, but that earned him a nasty tweetstorm from Trump, who cannot stomach criticism of any kind,and that is what caused the "epiphany".
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
When I saw the thread title I thought it was going to be about a thirteen year-old girl named Epiphany, in the fallout of the Epstein case.
I wouldn't call Bill Clinton one of Trump's biggest supporters.
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I do think it's better late than never. I just hope more of Trump's cowardly lapdogs finally see the light and admit that he's unfit to be POTUS. Others will remain willfully blind as we've seen here.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I wouldn't call Bill Clinton one of Trump's biggest supporters.
Am I supposed to give a **** about Bill Clinton? If he was one of Epstein's cronies in the underaged sex ring stuff then he deserves to burn with the rest. The commonality in Epstein's chums isn't politics or holding office, though, it's being very rich.
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Old 12th August 2019, 06:31 PM   #13
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Scaramucci just said that Trump isn't necessarily racist but that he just sees people as objects in his way. I think there's a lot of truth to that.
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I don't think there have ever been any accusations of 'child rape' about either. But Trump is certainly promoting ridiculous unfounded nonsense about Clinton and Epstein's death just as he did with his stupid birther crap. I don't see Clinton returning the same type of crap slinging.
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I do think it's better late than never. I just hope more of Trump's cowardly lapdogs finally see the light and admit that he's unfit to be POTUS. Others will remain willfully blind as we've seen here.
Please. Scaramucci didn't see any light. He has been disparaged by Trump and so, like Trump would do in his shoes, he's decided Trump is bad in all ways. This isn't enlightenment. It's the same sort of immaturity we loathe in Trump.
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I don't see where Trump has changed all that much since the Mooch agreed to work for him. He was trying to ignore what was obvious until he couldn't anymore. Still, I guess we should be gracious now that he's abandoned his betrayal of the nation.
I know right, I spent most of the interviews yelling at him that Trump hadn't changed, he'd been like this for the last 2 1/2 years at least. I think there is some self delusion in there as that now that he has experienced Trump's outrage personally, and it has woken him up to how Trump really is, he has to keep part of the delusion, that Trump wasn't this bad when he really supported him, because if he was to admit that Trump hadn't been getting worse, then he'd have to accept that Trump was indeed this bad when he got behind him, and that he'd been supporting a vile demagogue.

I suspect that a lot of those that are still trailing along obediently do so because they don't want to face that, kinda like people in a cult don't want to face the fact they have been in a cult all along, so they delude themselves into believing it all, regards as to how crazy it gets.
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Old 12th August 2019, 08:04 PM   #17
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Please. Scaramucci didn't see any light. He has been disparaged by Trump and so, like Trump would do in his shoes, he's decided Trump is bad in all ways. This isn't enlightenment. It's the same sort of immaturity we loathe in Trump.
Enlightenment? I thought the girl's name was Epiphany.
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Old 12th August 2019, 10:26 PM   #18
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Please. Scaramucci didn't see any light. He has been disparaged by Trump and so, like Trump would do in his shoes, he's decided Trump is bad in all ways. This isn't enlightenment. It's the same sort of immaturity we loathe in Trump.
And he's a "front stabber, not a back stabber."
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Please. Scaramucci didn't see any light. He has been disparaged by Trump and so, like Trump would do in his shoes, he's decided Trump is bad in all ways. This isn't enlightenment. It's the same sort of immaturity we loathe in Trump.
You're likely right. But if we don't think that some of Trump's supporters may eventually open their eyes, then what's the point of any Dems going to the swing states and trying to get them to dump Trump in 2020? I do agree that some are just too stupid or too emotionally invested or too incapable of admitting they got conned, but not all.
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Wasn't it your hero who retweeted the conspiracy theory about the Clinton's arranging Epstein's murder? If you are looking for the triggered people they are in the White House, specifically the Oval Office. Or on the right in general where you are unfortunate enough to find yourself.
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Ah, the old partisan "because I'm defending Trump, you must also want to defend Clinton". I think that most people on the left are perfectly happy with the idea of all child-rapists going to prison for their crimes.

We've even had proof of something similar over the last couple of years - compare and contrast the way the left reacted to accusations of impropriety against Al Franken vs. the way the right reacted to accusations of impropriety against Donald Trump.

Of course there will be some people on the left who are more interested in partisanship than justice, and some people on the right who are more interested in justice than partisanship, but the general trend seems to be that the right defend people on "their side" no matter what, while the left's stance leans more towards "sex offenders shouldn't get away with it".
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Who is Mooch's audience? Trumpistas have no use for him no more than they do for any of the other people that Trump uses and throws away as needed. Anti-Trumpers already knew Trump was garbage long before Mooch had his revelation and have plenty of other people to look to that don't have such stains to their integrity.

Mooch made a deal with the devil and is now upset that he got screwed. Cue world's smallest violin.
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You're likely right. But if we don't think that some of Trump's supporters may eventually open their eyes, then what's the point of any Dems going to the swing states and trying to get them to dump Trump in 2020? I do agree that some are just too stupid or too emotionally invested or too incapable of admitting they got conned, but not all.
The point is to convince the swing voters. Unless Trump personally and unambiguously insults each of a large number of his more rabid supporters, Scaramucci's recent recantation isn't really a model for how Democrats can win 2020.
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What are you on about? Honest progressives will hang Bill out to dry with all the other scum, if he participated with or enabled Epstein. Any of our 'outrage' here has to do with your attempted gotcha, thinking we are as blindly partisan as Trumpistas.



The so-called party of law, order and personal responsibility has abdicated all that--if they ever paid more than lip service. The Left jettisoned Al Franken; the Right clung tenaciously to Roy Moore.
Again, relax. TM made a joke. I made counter joke. But it's Clinton, so apparently we all have to be super serious about it.

Clinton knew Epstein. These kinds of wisecracks are bound to happen. You don't need to jump up and defend your honor every time.
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The Mooch is working an angle. If he said the sun sets in the west, I'd open a window to check. Then, I'd make sure I still have my wallet.

In this case, he's mostly stating the obvious and fishing for attention. I regret I took the time to hear what he had to say and respond to it.
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He's probably trying to reach out to the mythical "never Trump" Republicans.
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Who is Mooch's audience? Trumpistas have no use for him no more than they do for any of the other people that Trump uses and throws away as needed. Anti-Trumpers already knew Trump was garbage long before Mooch had his revelation and have plenty of other people to look to that don't have such stains to their integrity.
I do think there is some value in the Mooch's recent "revelations".

Do I think he's being honest? No I do not. Do I think his reasoning makes sense? Again, no.

But his value is not in how he reaches the hardcore Trupistas or the anti-Trumpers. I think his value is in how he reaches the less radical/slightly more rational Trumpers... the type that are currently sitting on the fence thinking "I voted for Trump in 2016 but I'm not sure about voting for him in 2020". If they can see others walking away from Trump, perhaps they too may think they can walk away without shame.
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I do think there is some value in the Mooch's recent "revelations".

Do I think he's being honest? No I do not. Do I think his reasoning makes sense? Again, no.

But his value is not in how he reaches the hardcore Trupistas or the anti-Trumpers. I think his value is in how he reaches the less radical/slightly more rational Trumpers... the type that are currently sitting on the fence thinking "I voted for Trump in 2016 but I'm not sure about voting for him in 2020". If they can see others walking away from Trump, perhaps they too may think they can walk away without shame.
Exactly.
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He's probably trying to reach out to the mythical "never Trump" Republicans.
They're not mythical, though.
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See never-Trump Republicans at thebulwark.com , for what it's worth.

https://thebulwark.com/about-us/

Every time someone brings up whether they should primary Trump as a theoretical question, I feel a little sadness for Mr. Bill Weld, the guy who is actually running in the primary against Donald Trump. On the bright side, at least he got to eat a turkey leg at the Iowa State Fair, just like a real candidate.
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He's probably trying to reach out to the mythical "never Trump" Republicans.
Most "Never Trump" Republicans have pretty much left the party.
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Wait, wait! I've got one. Hold on...

... ok, here goes:

"Uh, did you hear one of Trump's biggest supporters had an epiphany?"

"Yeah, yeah. It's like 'I guess all this extra room isn't really needed after all!'"

Get it? Because it's a really big athletic supporter, but Trump has a really small penis!
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I do think there is some value in the Mooch's recent "revelations".

Do I think he's being honest? No I do not. Do I think his reasoning makes sense? Again, no.

But his value is not in how he reaches the hardcore Trupistas or the anti-Trumpers. I think his value is in how he reaches the less radical/slightly more rational Trumpers... the type that are currently sitting on the fence thinking "I voted for Trump in 2016 but I'm not sure about voting for him in 2020". If they can see others walking away from Trump, perhaps they too may think they can walk away without shame.
Do you think many of those folk look to Scaramucci as a reliable commentator?

If they didn't revisit their choice after Scaramucci's remarkable 11 day stint, I don't see them doing so now.
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Do you think many of those folk look to Scaramucci as a reliable commentator?

If they didn't revisit their choice after Scaramucci's remarkable 11 day stint, I don't see them doing so now.
A large portion wouldn't revisit their choice if Trump stood naked on the WH lawn, brandishing a gun while screaming there were bugs eating his brain and that Obama had planted them into his ears with Hillary's help.
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A large portion wouldn't revisit their choice if Trump stood naked on the WH lawn, brandishing a gun while screaming there were bugs eating his brain and that Obama had planted them into his ears with Hillary's help.
Shhh. That part is supposed to be a secret.
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Shhh. That part is supposed to be a secret.
It does explain a lot though, doesn't it?
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A large portion wouldn't revisit their choice if Trump stood naked on the WH lawn, brandishing a gun while screaming there were bugs eating his brain and that Obama had planted them into his ears with Hillary's help.
Those poor insects will starve to death.
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A large portion wouldn't revisit their choice if Trump stood naked on the WH lawn, brandishing a gun while screaming there were bugs eating his brain and that Obama had planted them into his ears with Hillary's help.
We should totally give it a try, though.

More seriously: If a legit 25th Amendment scenario came up, I would totally back a 25th amendment play by the cabinet.

Hell I'd totally back Congress empaneling the Yale group as a 25th amendment alternative body to the cabinet, if the cabinet were slow to act.

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He's probably trying to reach out to the mythical "never Trump" Republicans.
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They're not mythical, though.
No, but he's been dead for about a year.
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