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Old 13th December 2019, 09:23 AM   #1
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14-year-old Florida boy beaten for supporting Trump

Maybe it was for some other reason.

Shocking moment school bus bullies pummel 14-year-old boy leaving him hospitalized with head injuries 'because he'd worn a Trump 2020 hat'

Originally Posted by Daily Mail
Shocking video has emerged showing a 14-year-old boy being attacked on a school bus, allegedly because he'd previously worn a hat supporting President Donald Trump.

The incident occurred on November 21 in Hamilton County, Florida, and the video first emerged on Thursday after the boy's family retained attorney Foye B. Walker for possible legal action.

The incident left the boy, identified only as Tyler, hospitalized with head contusions, according to his mother, a Trump supporter who tweets under the handle @AmericanDiaries.

The attorney, Walker, verified in a tweet that the incident occurred on a school bus in Hamilton County, and that he was representing the family...

The boy's mother explained on Twitter that she believed the attackers were motivated by a Trump 2020 campaign hat that her son had previously worn to school.

She said that the boy stopped wearing the hat due to harassment, but that the bullying continued...

Video of the attack shows at least three females and two males raining blows down on Tyler's head as he tries to protect himself from the attack.

Tyler's mother says she believes the assault was racially motivated. Tyler is white, and the assailants appear to be black...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Trump-hat.html
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Old 13th December 2019, 09:32 AM   #2
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14-year-old Florida boy beaten for supporting Trump ... says mom.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Maybe it was for some other reason.



Shocking moment school bus bullies pummel 14-year-old boy leaving him hospitalized with head injuries 'because he'd worn a Trump 2020 hat'







https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Trump-hat.html
One on the video is as white as he is.

Daily Mail mind you so....
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
14-year-old Florida boy beaten for supporting Trump ... says mom.
14 year old Florida boy beaten for supporting Trump ... says Trump activist and campaigner.
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By the way the violence is inexcusable no matter what "reason" is given.
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Old 13th December 2019, 09:46 AM   #6
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I am confused as to why she has a lawyer advising her.

Also I see on her feed that people have said prayers for him ( granted didn't see "in our thoughts) so doesn't that sort out the violence problem, or would it only sort it.out if they'd used guns to shoot him?
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Old 13th December 2019, 09:49 AM   #7
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If it were 100% true and rolled out as simply as we're lead to believe, then plenty on here, according the rhetoric I've read, would completely endorse this beating.
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Old 13th December 2019, 09:51 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by bluesjnr View Post
If it were 100% true and rolled out as simply as we're lead to believe, then plenty on here, according the rhetoric I've read, would completely endorse this beating.
Can you link to this rhetoric you've read here? I'm curious to see the actual posts you believe indicate endorsement of violence against children.
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Originally Posted by bluesjnr View Post
If it were 100% true and rolled out as simply as we're lead to believe, then plenty on here, according the rhetoric I've read, would completely endorse this beating.
I see this every time one of these threads are posted and yet I never see people condoning violence in any way, shape or form.

As Tragic said, provide evidence or drop the violin.
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
I see this every time one of these threads are posted and yet I never see people condoning violence in any way, shape or form.

As Tragic said, provide evidence or drop the violin.
The forum rules prohibit members from advocating illegal acts. Nevertheless, I have formed an opinion, based on their body of work, that there are some members here who absolutely do favor anti-Trump violence. Ironically, the forum rules also prohibit me from naming names. It's probably best if we drop it here. Y'all know who you are.
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Several good beatings might prevent him from voting Republican when he reaches that age. But as I said in the OP, we don't know why the beatings have been happening.
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Old 13th December 2019, 10:26 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
The forum rules prohibit members from advocating illegal acts. Nevertheless, I have formed an opinion, based on their body of work, that there are some members here who absolutely do favor anti-Trump violence. Ironically, the forum rules also prohibit me from naming names. It's probably best if we drop it here. Y'all know who you are.
The forum rules don't prohibit quoting posts or linking to them, unless said posts have been actioned by moderators. Surely you are basing this opinion of yours upon evidence?
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Old 13th December 2019, 10:32 AM   #13
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The forum rules don't prohibit quoting posts or linking to them, unless said posts have been actioned by moderators. Surely you are basing this opinion of yours upon evidence?
I'm not going to assemble body of work citations for the purpose of accusing another member of privately favoring political violence. It's not even on topic for this thread.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I'm not going to assemble body of work citations for the purpose of accusing another member of privately favoring political violence. It's not even on topic for this thread.
I see. You cast baseless assertions about unnamed persons based on their "body of work" but cannot cite a single piece of evidence to justify this opinion you claim to have about them. We're to take it on faith that unnamed persons who disagree with you politically espouse dreadful things. And calling on you to back up this claim is off-topic. In which case isn't your assertion also off-topic?
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Eh, it's definitely fake. We don't even have the complete backstory, he probably started it, he was probably in Identity Evropa, with his gang hat.

(Sounds stupid, doesn't it?)

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Eh, it's definitely fake.

(Sounds stupid, doesn't it?)
No. It makes sense that it is fake.
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Old 13th December 2019, 10:55 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
One on the video is as white as he is.

Daily Mail mind you so....
The same story is being covered by more than 15 other media agencies. That doesn't mean that it isn't fake.

May or may not be racially motivated and the apparent skin color of one participant doesn't inform us of much.
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Shocking moment school bus bullies pummel 14-year-old boy leaving him hospitalized with head injuries 'because he'd worn a Trump 2020 hat'
(article adblocked, but referring to the text in the op)
So, he wasn't actually wearing a Trump 2020 hat, then.

Daily Mail.
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I am confused as to why she has a lawyer advising her.

Also I see on her feed that people have said prayers for him ( granted didn't see "in our thoughts) so doesn't that sort out the violence problem, or would it only sort it.out if they'd used guns to shoot him?
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the incident occurred on a school bus



It looks like the larger girl is using a hairbrush. Disgusting kids. One hits the kid so others join in.
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I am confused as to why she has a lawyer advising her.

Also I see on her feed that people have said prayers for him ( granted didn't see "in our thoughts) so doesn't that sort out the violence problem, or would it only sort it.out if they'd used guns to shoot him?
Lawsuit against the school district in 3,2,1.
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(article adblocked, but referring to the text in the op)
So, he wasn't actually wearing a Trump 2020 hat, then.

Daily Mail.
I don't even see his hat in his hand in the video. Maybe Mom's hoping Trump will notice and give them a free trip to his rallies or something. Cynical, I know.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
The same story is being covered by more than 15 other media agencies. That doesn't mean that it isn't fake.



May or may not be racially motivated and the apparent skin color of one participant doesn't inform us of much.
It does when the mother states his attackers were black.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
It looks like the larger girl is using a hairbrush. Disgusting kids. One hits the kid so others join in.
Not sure what your highlights are meant to be answering?
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Lawsuit against the school district in 3,2,1.
For what? From the video it just looks like a fight on a school bus between kids, what is there to have a lawsuit about?
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Not sure what your highlights are meant to be answering?
Perhaps it's not clear the second quote is from the article. She's getting a lawyer because the school/bus driver have some culpability.
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I don't even see his hat in his hand in the video. Maybe Mom's hoping Trump will notice and give them a free trip to his rallies or something. Cynical, I know.
He wasn't wearing it and we only have his mother's claims that the bullying started because he had worn it in the past, once.

Again don't want to condone kids fighting but kids do fight and one wonders if the mother's comments are an accurate reflection of the circumstances. Given she is a fervent Trump supporter that supports things such as the QAnon conspiracy theory I think it may be possible that she may be slightly biased?
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Perhaps it's not clear the second quote is from the article. She's getting a lawyer because the school/bus driver have some culpability.
It's a fight between kids, how is there any culpability for the driver and so on?
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It's a fight between kids, how is there any culpability for the driver and so on?
I think if a fight just broke out, the driver might have little or no culpability.

But if there were a pattern of misbehavior on the bus that led to the fight, then it might be different. If the driver knew of, or should have known of an escalating pattern of conflict on the bus and didn't take any action (addressing the children, or reporting the behavior to school officials who could address such behavior) then the lawyer may have something to chew on.

Or it could just be a confrontational parent being confrontational. Hard to say.
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I look forward to a long series of skeptical posts questioning if it happened as described and/or if the motivation was truly anti-Trump. Most likely from the members who provide similar cautions (not jumping to conclusions) in the "... while Black" and police-initiated violence threads.
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It's a fight between kids, how is there any culpability for the driver and so on?
You're in the UK right?
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I think if a fight just broke out, the driver might have little or no culpability.

But if there were a pattern of misbehavior on the bus that led to the fight, then it might be different. If the driver knew of, or should have known of an escalating pattern of conflict on the bus and didn't take any action (addressing the children, or reporting the behavior to school officials who could address such behavior) then the lawyer may have something to chew on.

Or it could just be a confrontational parent being confrontational. Hard to say.
Not only that, where was the driver? It went on for quite a while. The driver has to have control of the kids on their bus. Those kids need to be banned from riding the bus.
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I look forward to a long series of skeptical posts questioning if it happened as described and/or if the motivation was truly anti-Trump. Most likely from the members who provide similar cautions (not jumping to conclusions) in the "... while Black" and police-initiated violence threads.
You know there's a video, right?
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Originally Posted by New York Post
...In a statement, school officials said the student’s Trump hat had nothing to do with the assault.

“The incident began with a verbal altercation between two students that escalated when additional students became involved,” the statement said.

The fight was an isolated matter totally unrelated to political statements or agendas, superintendent Rex Mitchell said.

“We absolutely do not condone the use of physical force between students,” Mitchell said. “This was an unfortunate incident that we take very seriously as the safety and welfare of the students is always our top priority.”

Five juveniles have been charged with first-degree misdemeanor battery in the incident, the Hamilton County Sheriff’s Office announced Friday, while citing “some misinformation” that was shared along with the video.

The attack also did not meet criteria for a hate crime, sheriff’s officials said...
https://nypost.com/2019/12/13/florid...trump-2020-hat
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How old are the kids?
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I look forward to a long series of skeptical posts questioning if it happened as described and/or if the motivation was truly anti-Trump. Most likely from the members who provide similar cautions (not jumping to conclusions) in the "... while Black" and police-initiated violence threads.
You mean questioning a narrative? Asking if this Trump activist mom's explanation is credible? Why wouI'd we not expect this?

It looks like the kid got royally worked over. Don't see what a hat has to do with anything. The mother could be heartlessly using this beating to pump her political position, or the kid could be a punk that picked a fight himself, or the narrative could be standalone accurate. Evidence as-is, not enough to make a call, but certainly not enough to buy into her version.

As you say, a skeptical view here is similar to an LWB story. Not enough evidence to support the narrative.
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By the way the violence is inexcusable no matter what "reason" is given.
You wouldn't think so given some posts on this thread.

It is quite a funny thread to read
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You know there's a video, right?
As has been true of almost all the ...”while Black” and police encounter videos. Speculation as to what happened before the start or out of the video frame is the usual basis of how the initial narrative has been questioned, or questioning if an individual is actually thinking what their actions suggest.
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
You mean questioning a narrative? Asking if this Trump activist mom's explanation is credible? Why wouI'd we not expect this?

It looks like the kid got royally worked over. Don't see what a hat has to do with anything. The mother could be heartlessly using this beating to pump her political position, or the kid could be a punk that picked a fight himself, or the narrative could be standalone accurate. Evidence as-is, not enough to make a call, but certainly not enough to buy into her version.

As you say, a skeptical view here is similar to an LWB story. Not enough evidence to support the narrative.
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Originally Posted by Giordano View Post
Exactly.
Still not following you. This story should be met with a healthy dose of skepticism. The reported action is not indicative of the accompanying narrative. Why wouldn't it be questioned?
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
You wouldn't think so given some posts on this thread.



It is quite a funny thread to read
You are making that up.
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