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Old 13th February 2018, 07:11 AM   #81
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I don't understand the obvious glee from the Trumpists in this thread about kicking out the Dreamers. Can it be interpreted as anything other than casual racism?

I mean, we already know they are at least ok with racism, given that they support Trump, but it's kind of harrowing to see it becoming more open like this.
Really? THIS thread is about the CNN glurge about some people who are threatening to voluntarily leave the country.

And if we got that wrong, how can we take seriously your blanket claim that anyone who does not see everything exactly your way "are at least ok with racism."

"are at least ok with racism," boy that is a mouthful! Next time just call them racist.
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Old 13th February 2018, 07:17 AM   #82
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By all accounts, Dreamers have been heavily vetted and have made a great effort to make right events that were beyond their control. By registering for the DACA program, they took a grave risk to try to legalize their presence in this country. Do we owe them that chance? Arguably, we do or else be guilty of history's biggest bait-and-switch since the Trojan Horse.
We elected the party of the bait and switch, so why shouldn't the dreamers get in on the action? Real america loves that kind of thing.
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Old 13th February 2018, 07:48 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
We elected the party of the bait and switch, so why shouldn't the dreamers get in on the action? Real america loves that kind of thing.
I don't know. It was pretty transparent bait. You'd have to be pretty naive to think Trump means even three-quarters of what he says. He's more of an obvious-lie-and-yep-he-lied.
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Old 13th February 2018, 07:51 AM   #84
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I don't know. It was pretty transparent bait. You'd have to be pretty naive to think Trump means even three-quarters of what he says. He's more of an obvious-lie-and-yep-he-lied.
Sure everyone knows he is constantly lying, but they all seem to think that THEY know which 10% of what he says he actually means. I have had people seriously argue that the wall was never about a physical wall because that is a dumb idea but it was a metaphor. Trump was always perfectly clear that it was a large concrete reinforced wall, but some how they know this was not what he meant.
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Old 13th February 2018, 08:42 AM   #85
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I don't understand the obvious glee from the Trumpists in this thread about kicking out the Dreamers. Can it be interpreted as anything other than casual racism?

I mean, we already know they are at least ok with racism, given that they support Trump, but it's kind of harrowing to see it becoming more open like this.
Of course, the only reason someone could be pleased to see the law get enforced is if they are racist.
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Old 13th February 2018, 08:53 AM   #86
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Of course, the only reason someone could be pleased to see the law get enforced is if they are racist.
For these kind of laws? Most likely.

People who speed and break all sorts of laws that then turn around and turn into inspector javert on immigration are accountable for that. None of us are Javerts. We cannot hide behind "it's the law" as any justification for an action.
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Old 13th February 2018, 08:54 AM   #87
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Not at all. FTFY.


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Of course, the only reason someone could be pleased to see the law get enforced is if they are ahard hearted racist.
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Old 13th February 2018, 09:08 AM   #88
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For these kind of laws? Most likely.

People who speed and break all sorts of laws that then turn around and turn into inspector javert on immigration are accountable for that. None of us are Javerts. We cannot hide behind "it's the law" as any justification for an action.

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Oh wait, I guess he meant to say:

**"Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, unless it seems mean"

Seriously, you are all failing civics 101.
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Old 13th February 2018, 09:13 AM   #89
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"Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people."
-John Quincy Adams

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Oh wait, I guess he meant to say:

**"Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, unless it seems mean"

Seriously, you are all failing civics 101.
Almost no one thinks every written law should be enforced to the fullest extent. How people choose which ones is important.
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Old 13th February 2018, 09:16 AM   #90
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I don't understand the obvious glee from the Trumpists in this thread about kicking out the Dreamers. Can it be interpreted as anything other than casual racism?

I mean, we already know they are at least ok with racism, given that they support Trump, but it's kind of harrowing to see it becoming more open like this.
Some of it's bigotry. Some of it's the intense glee they feel at anything that upsets liberals.
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Some of it's bigotry. Some of it's the intense glee they feel at anything that upsets liberals.
And this is why I've largely given up on having serious policy discussions around here. How are we supposed to exchange ideas with you in a respectful way, if this is what you believe about me?

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Some of it's bigotry. Some of it's the intense glee they feel at anything that upsets liberals.
And of course there is the standard total lack of empathy one is required of to be a conservative.
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And this is why I've largely given up on having serious policy discussions around here. How am I supposed to exchange ideas with you in a respectful way, if this is what you believe about me?
What, you didn't expect the Spanish inquisition?

This is not where we debate the merits of hobbesian versus Rousseau philosophical viewpoints, nor the dangers of arbitrary power versus heartless inflexibility. You are simply evil, and should be flamed until you recant.
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And this is why I've largely given up on having serious policy discussions around here. How am I supposed to exchange ideas with you in a respectful way, if this is what you believe about me?
So why are you so focused on getting rid of people who grew up here?

This was of course a real win for the law and reinforcing how his abusive parents didn't love him enough to make him a real american.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/u...uth-korea.html

Because if there is anything adopted children need to understand it is that they are less than real children.
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And this is why I've largely given up on having serious policy discussions around here. How are we supposed to exchange ideas with you in a respectful way, if this is what you believe about me?
I would have put you firmly in the "enjoys upsetting liberals" camp. If I'm wrong about that tell me so and I'll accept that without hesitation.
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Having "teams" outside of games is pretty stupid.
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Having "teams" outside of games is pretty stupid.
Having teams outside of games is probably a key survival trait in humans.
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Because if there is anything adopted children need to understand it is that they are less than real children.
Seems harsh, do you have any evidence to support this claim?
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Except these people came in as kids. Too young to actually break any laws.

The sins of the father...
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I don't understand the obvious glee from the Trumpists in this thread about kicking out the Dreamers. Can it be interpreted as anything other than casual racism?
- Iím against abortion!

- - Even in cases of rape and incest?

- The life of the helpless child must be protected and cherished! Jesus weeps at this travesty!

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- Deport the Dreamers!

- - Yíknow, many were brought here as infants, toddlers. Wouldnít you agree they were helpless and, even though years have passed, we should cherish and protect them? Isnít that the Christian thing to do?

- No exceptions! Arrest! Deport!
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
- Iím against abortion!

- - Even in cases of rape and incest?

- The life of the helpless child must be protected and cherished! Jesus weeps at this travesty!

-vis-

- Deport the Dreamers!

- - Yíknow, many were brought here as infants, toddlers. Wouldnít you agree they were helpless and, even though years have passed, we should cherish and protect them? Isnít that the Christian thing to do?

- No exceptions! Arrest! Deport!
Ook, in a world of bad analogies, that is pretty bad, but in the context of the OP? Yikes...
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Ook, in a world of bad analogies, that is pretty bad, but in the context of the OP? Yikes...
Yeah, I donít disagree - I didnít love it myself. Thereís a couple ingredients for an apt analogy to be found there, but not enough yet for a tasty cake.
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Having teams outside of games is probably a key survival trait in humans.
Societies and teams aren't the same thing.

Depending on the issue, I sometimes side with liberals and sometimes with conservatives, etc. I don't have a team because that'd mean I'd have to have opinions that fit with the team rather than having my own, and support what the team does regardless of whether it's good or acceptable.
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Really? THIS thread is about the CNN glurge about some people who are threatening to voluntarily leave the country.

And if we got that wrong, how can we take seriously your blanket claim that anyone who does not see everything exactly your way "are at least ok with racism."

"are at least ok with racism," boy that is a mouthful! Next time just call them racist.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
If people do not stop questioning me on my use of the word threatening, I am going to leave this website.

Now, is that a threat?

/Like the Drama-ers in the OP, not going to do it, but lets pretend.
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If people do not stop questioning me on my use of the word threatening, I am going to leave this website.

Now, is that a threat?
Yes.

But lets stick with your analogy to se if you can see where it fails.

Contrast your statement with: If I am banned, I'm not going to post here.

Is that a threat?


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/Like the Drama-ers in the OP, not going to do it, but lets pretend.
As a socialist Bernie Bro I hoped you would be immune to the Trump's influences. Too much pretending, maybe?
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Yes.

But lets stick with your analogy to se if you can see where it fails.

Contrast your statement with: If I am banned, I'm not going to post here.

Is that a threat?
Tut tut, lets mold our analogies to fit the actual fact pattern actually presented by the actual OP:

IF iSkep does not remove the Sword of Damocles that is banning from this site, then I will leave this website.*

threat?

*it should go without saying that this hypothetical is not and should not be construed as a commentary on moderation or forum management
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Tut tut, lets mold our analogies to fit the actual fact pattern actually presented by the actual OP:

IF iSkep does not remove the Sword of Damocles that is banning from this site, then I will leave this website.

threat?
I hate it when theprestige is so right. Your analogy was flawed from the beginning and I have no way to fix it. There is no comparable status on this site for the unwanted who chooses to leave prior to being forcibly removed. Thus are the efficiencies of our online environment.

If asked to leave, I will leave.

If told to leave, I will leave.

If the law says I may not remain, I will not remain.

None of that is threatening. You could go find something that is threatening, but I didn't see any dreamers quoted in that article that were threatening. Why do so many see aggression in what is clearly a statement of resignation? Is it some sort of projection? Why is their sadness portrayed as anger?
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I hate it when theprestige is so right. Your analogy was flawed from the beginning and I have no way to fix it. There is no comparable status on this site for the unwanted who chooses to leave prior to being forcibly removed. Thus are the efficiencies of our online environment.

If asked to leave, I will leave.

If told to leave, I will leave.

If the law says I may not remain, I will not remain.

None of that is threatening. You could go find something that is threatening, but I didn't see any dreamers quoted in that article that were threatening. Why do so many see aggression in what is clearly a statement of resignation? Is it some sort of projection? Why is their sadness portrayed as anger?
I posted the original analogy 48 minutes ago. the poster that you are referring to has not commented on it.
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I posted the original analogy 48 minutes ago. the poster that you are referring to has not commented on it.
I thought you would be familiar with his body of work. Read some of his prior comments on analogies in general.

Or, ignore that one sentence and respond to the remainder of my post.
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If people do not stop questioning me on my use of the word threatening, I am going to leave this website.

Now, is that a threat?

/Like the Drama-ers in the OP, not going to do it, but lets pretend.
So it's not a promise then?

One can live in hope...
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- Iím against abortion!

- - Even in cases of rape and incest?

- The life of the helpless child must be protected and cherished! Jesus weeps at this travesty!

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- Deport the Dreamers!

- - Yíknow, many were brought here as infants, toddlers. Wouldnít you agree they were helpless and, even though years have passed, we should cherish and protect them? Isnít that the Christian thing to do?

- No exceptions! Arrest! Deport!
Instead of inventing fake conversations, why not have a real conversation with a real person about a real opinion?

This one, for example, seems like it could lead to some interesting discussion across the aisle.
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I don't understand the obvious glee from the Trumpists in this thread about kicking out the Dreamers. Can it be interpreted as anything other than casual racism?

I mean, we already know they are at least ok with racism, given that they support Trump, but it's kind of harrowing to see it becoming more open like this.
Even the Mexican part of my DNA is OK with kicking out the Dreamers. The Native American part of my DNA wants all you interlopers gone and our land back. Those two parts of my DNA aren't really talking to the White part of my DNA right now . . .
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I thought you would be familiar with his body of work. Read some of his prior comments on analogies in general.

Or, ignore that one sentence and respond to the remainder of my post.
Nothing stopping them from hitting the bricks right now. No need for this IF/Then caterwauling to CNN
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Nothing stopping them from hitting the bricks right now.
You don't get that they would prefer to stay?

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No need for this IF/Then caterwauling to CNN
Where were these shrill howling and wailing sounds? I missed that.

Oh, were they next to the threats?
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Seems pretty spot on and in keeping with the theme of the last few decades where rich people get poor people to blame very poor people for the problems caused by rich people trying to stay rich get richer.

FTFY.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Where were these shrill howling and wailing sounds? I missed that.

Oh, were they next to the threats?
No, they was right here in this here thread after I typed "threat."

Hoo boy, did THAT turn into some spicy gumbo.
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Old 13th February 2018, 02:57 PM   #117
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No need for this IF/Then caterwauling to CNN
Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
Where were these shrill howling and wailing sounds? I missed that.

Oh, were they next to the threats?
Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
No, they was right here in this here thread after I typed "threat."

Hoo boy, did THAT turn into some spicy gumbo.
I mean, if you can't follow the conversation, OK. I know multi-quotes can be confusing to some. Just throw out a or a "'K" post and we all know to stop bugging you.

Or, you know, you could back up your claims that dreamers in the CNN article are "threatening to leave" and "caterwauling to CNN".
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
I mean, if you can't follow the conversation, OK. I know multi-quotes can be confusing to some. Just throw out a or a "'K" post and we all know to stop bugging you.

Or, you know, you could back up your claims that dreamers in the CNN article are "threatening to leave" and "caterwauling to CNN".
Seriously, if a post ever screamed out for a rolls eyes, it was this one, hooboy.

Claims that they were threatening to leave? ESTABLISHED

Caterwauling? Well within the stated limits of the definition, and therefore poetic license: ESTABLISHED.

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Of course, the only reason someone could be pleased to see the law get enforced is if they are racist.
No, not the only reason, but I'd say the most probable reason in this case, based on the way the glee is expressed.
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