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Old 12th February 2018, 10:31 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by BStrong View Post
I don't know enough about the actual facts to make a good decision based on something other than my feelings and news reports.

It's clear that you support lynching of accused persons w/o due process of law, but I'd prefer to have an investigation and adjudication before I get the rope out.
If you have nothing pertinent to add why post at all then?

They had their due process, the prosecutor thinks it was all good, and no one acted inappropriately like in all these shootings. You agree so why not just come out in favor of #bluecarsmatter?
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Old 12th February 2018, 10:34 AM   #122
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Tbf, the cops would look awfully stupid if the guy hurt someone or committed another crime after they gave up on the chase.
And no one cares if they just result in people dying. The most important thing is to preserve the police authority no matter what risk it is to the public or what harm comes from it.

Frequently it is far safer to the public to abandon pursuit unless greater risks are known of.
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Old 12th February 2018, 11:27 AM   #123
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Originally Posted by BStrong View Post
I don't know enough about the actual facts to make a good decision based on something other than my feelings and news reports.

It's clear that you support lynching of accused persons w/o due process of law, but I'd prefer to have an investigation and adjudication before I get the rope out.
I'm using more evidence in wanting these disgusting cops thrown to the wolves than they used in killing Dial. Why do you think they deserve even more still?



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Tbf, the cops would look awfully stupid if the guy hurt someone or committed another crime after they gave up on the chase.
No they wouldn't. They would simply cite the fundamental concept that cops are not obligated to act on behalf of the safety of any one.

That they trot this excuse out to try and justify their abuse and killing doesn't mean that it's valid either way.
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Old 12th February 2018, 11:36 AM   #124
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Old 12th February 2018, 03:15 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Why wouldn't they flatten the tires? I don't get that part.
Well, or let him drive away and put out a warrant to arrest him later, scrapping the Fury Road re-enactment, for public safety's sake.

The expression is: "Unnecessary escalation," and I was just as appalled at the fact they were admitting this car smashing technique was endangering the public - and that didn't deter them - so they decided to let bullets fly on top of all that.

It's not like he was fleeing an armed robbery. He was driving without a license.
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Old 13th February 2018, 05:46 AM   #126
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Originally Posted by blutoski View Post
Well, or let him drive away and put out a warrant to arrest him later, scrapping the Fury Road re-enactment, for public safety's sake.

The expression is: "Unnecessary escalation," and I was just as appalled at the fact they were admitting this car smashing technique was endangering the public - and that didn't deter them - so they decided to let bullets fly on top of all that.

It's not like he was fleeing an armed robbery. He was driving without a license.
And refusing to obey police orders that always earns a shooting. In fact the famous pepper spray cop of UC Davis would probably still have a job if he simply executed the student protesters instead of pepper spraying them, because that is an acceptable response when you refuse to obey police orders.
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Old 13th February 2018, 06:14 AM   #127
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
And refusing to obey police orders that always earns a shooting. In fact the famous pepper spray cop of UC Davis would probably still have a job if he simply executed the student protesters instead of pepper spraying them, because that is an acceptable response when you refuse to obey police orders.

Or even when you comply with them.
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Old 13th February 2018, 08:11 AM   #128
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
Or even when you comply with them.
If you've put yourself in a situation where you are interacting with cops, then your life is forfeit.
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Old 13th February 2018, 08:20 AM   #129
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You know, despite the fact that many of those incidents are reported and seen, and many more go unreported, I'm pretty sure that deadly shootings only involve a tiny percentage of interactions with the police.
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Old 13th February 2018, 08:24 AM   #130
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You know, despite the fact that many of those incidents are reported and seen, and many more go unreported, I'm pretty sure that deadly shootings only involve a tiny percentage of interactions with the police.
That they don't kill everyone they meet is just a PR move. "We won't necessarily kill you, but we can!"
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Old 13th February 2018, 08:30 AM   #131
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I'll take that as sarcasm.
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Old 13th February 2018, 08:35 AM   #132
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I'll take that as sarcasm.
Thanks ever so.

In reality, every interaction I've had with police, they have been professional and generally friendly. Even the time I had 5 officers with guns trained on me. I am glad I've never met one like those detailed in threads like this.
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Old 13th February 2018, 10:03 AM   #133
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Originally Posted by The Greater Fool View Post
Thanks ever so.

In reality, every interaction I've had with police, they have been professional and generally friendly. Even the time I had 5 officers with guns trained on me. I am glad I've never met one like those detailed in threads like this.
I can say the same, well no guns pointed at me. Then again I have always been a middle class white guy. My wife coming from a lower class background has had different interactions with the police.
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Old 13th February 2018, 10:23 AM   #134
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I can say the same, well no guns pointed at me. Then again I have always been a middle class white guy. My wife coming from a lower class background has had different interactions with the police.
I too am a middle class (very) white guy. My wife and kids are (very) not. The same police handled a sensitive situation with my wife with equal professionalism, so I can't say they would've handled my situation differently were I a minority.

My wife had interactions with LAPD that were less than friendly back in the 80s and before, when rioting was a thing in South Central.
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Old 13th February 2018, 01:49 PM   #135
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
I can say the same, well no guns pointed at me. Then again I have always been a middle class white guy. My wife coming from a lower class background has had different interactions with the police.

I was a middle class white kid, fifteen, when two cops beat me until I could no longer stand up on my own and then left me lying on the sidewalk when they realized they had just beaten the **** out of a fifteen year old.

My crime? I had "long" hair (which in that time and place meant over your collar), and was nearly two blocks from a WVU campus demonstration protesting the Kent State massacre and the on-campus presence of ROTC. The demonstration consisted of around 150 students and faculty (from both sides) holding an open public debate while five or ten times as many hostile observers watched.

At that time I had nothing to do with the protest. I had no knowledge of it at all.

There have been other incidents I have witnessed. None of which involved any provocation.

I give cops in general the same regard as I do a large, unleashed dog I don't know. They might not attack without provocation, but I'm not going to assume they are friendly, or even sane. (The fact that they are willing to take the job argues against the latter.)
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Old 14th February 2018, 02:52 AM   #136
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Tbf, the cops would look awfully stupid if the guy hurt someone or committed another crime after they gave up on the chase.
They could have backed off, stayed just out of sight, and kept track of him with a helicopter (assuming they have one). Eventually he would have had to have stopped and then they could have arrested him. He'd have been less likely to hurt someone accidentally.
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Old 14th February 2018, 04:08 AM   #137
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They could have backed off, stayed just out of sight, and kept track of him with a helicopter (assuming they have one). Eventually he would have had to have stopped and then they could have arrested him. He'd have been less likely to hurt someone accidentally.
Where is the fun in that? The fun part is the chase. You can't tell other cops the great stories of how you broke off a chase because it was increasing danger to the public, they will just laugh at you
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I was a middle class white kid, fifteen, when two cops beat me until I could no longer stand up on my own and then left me lying on the sidewalk when they realized they had just beaten the **** out of a fifteen year old.

My crime? I had "long" hair (which in that time and place meant over your collar), and was nearly two blocks from a WVU campus demonstration protesting the Kent State massacre and the on-campus presence of ROTC. The demonstration consisted of around 150 students and faculty (from both sides) holding an open public debate while five or ten times as many hostile observers watched.

At that time I had nothing to do with the protest. I had no knowledge of it at all.

There have been other incidents I have witnessed. None of which involved any provocation.

I give cops in general the same regard as I do a large, unleashed dog I don't know. They might not attack without provocation, but I'm not going to assume they are friendly, or even sane. (The fact that they are willing to take the job argues against the latter.)
That's horrible. I do not trust Police Scotland to be fair, honest and to properly conduct enquiries, but at least the chances of me getting a kicking are low and the chances of being shot miniscule.
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The suspect was in a vehicle, and when deputies announced on the radio that they intended to ram his vehicle to end the chase, the sheriff overruled them and ordered the unarmed suspect killed because the sheriff didn't want to "tear up my cars":
Used to live in Tennessee, sorry they still have "police" like that, hope he comes to a soon and hard end!!!
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I sure hope they all go down as first degree, premeditated murder. All of 'em. They were all complicit and followed illegal orders. **** 'em gently with a chainsaw.
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They could have backed off, stayed just out of sight, and kept track of him with a helicopter (assuming they have one). Eventually he would have had to have stopped and then they could have arrested him. He'd have been less likely to hurt someone accidentally.
Exactly. A roadblock, anything but an ordered execution.
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