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8th June 2018, 12:01 PM | #41 |
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G 3 Since Italy PM agrees with Trump....
Gee another wannabe authoritarian leader who might have well been elected with Russian Money side with Trump and Putin. Whtta surprise. |
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8th June 2018, 01:32 PM | #42 |
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8th June 2018, 03:10 PM | #43 |
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10th June 2018, 03:04 AM | #44 |
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10th June 2018, 08:45 AM | #45 |
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13th June 2018, 09:13 AM | #46 |
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If you have some time and interest in learning more about Carter Page and coffee boy George Popadopolous, I recommend this:
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/trump...idiots/9857934 Secrets, spies and useful idiots: part two of Four Corners' special investigative series. "I'm just a sacrificial lamb for people who are looking for a false story to tear down the Trump campaign." Carter Page, former Trump adviser under investigation On Monday, Four Corners reveals the story of two key players central to the allegations of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. "Unfortunately, Carter Page fell right into the trap, he walked right into the lion's den, dragging the rest of us with him." Former Trump campaign national security director Carter Page and George Papadopoulos both served as foreign policy advisers to Donald Trump during the Presidential campaign. Both have come under investigation by the FBI and the special prosecutor examining Russia's interference in the election. Both were targets of Russian spies. |
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15th June 2018, 06:53 AM | #47 |
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17th June 2018, 06:34 AM | #48 |
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Trump associate Roger Stone reveals new contact with Russian national during 2016 campaign
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Using a tweet to comment: "Who among us hasn't met w a Russian demanding $2 million for dirt on a political opponent, failed to report the offer to the FBI & then forgot all about it for 2 yrs while everyone was asking about contacts with Russians?" https://twitter.com/esquires1215/sta...39507966509056 |
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17th June 2018, 07:27 AM | #49 |
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If I'm to believe certain "skeptics", this is hysteria generated by the media that's sweeping up "ordinary Russian citizens" and even ordinary Americans of Russian descent. Ordinary Russian citizens offering dirt on Clinton to the Trump team -- yah sure.
Three months after this encounter, Stone predicted that Podesta would soon be in the hot seat. How very prescient. If collusion can be proven, the path will go through Stone and Manafort. |
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17th June 2018, 10:31 AM | #50 |
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The reason your side is having such a tough time with this narrative is Because Russian Collusion is a very narrow term. There is zero evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian government to hurt hildabeasts campaign. Then of course most of these campaign people could have mistakenly accepted this kind of information or not handled it correctly, either way it’s going no where.
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17th June 2018, 11:19 AM | #51 |
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What was the point of the Magnitsky/Trump Tower meeting if not to suggest or ask for a quid pro quo?
Donny Jr's claim the Russians had nothing to offer is specious on logic alone. If the Russians had hacked DNC emails, which we know they did, why approach the Trump team at all? It's not like they needed Trump to do anything before the Russians could pass those emails onto Wikileaks. Manafort was out there getting the GOP Ukraine platform changed in his effort to get square with his millions in debt to whichever Ukrainian-Russian oligarchs he owed the money to. Giuliani was getting leaks from the NY FBI office about Weiner's laptop, as was Nunes.
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Flynn was acting as a foreign agent of Turkey, per Yate's warning and per his belated registering as an agent of Turkey.
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Cohen was stuffing his LLC bank account with bribes from a Russian oligarch's firm as well as Novartis and Korea Aerospace Industries. Kushner suspiciously went on a trip to hang out with the Saudi Prince just before some Israeli intelligence seems to have played a role in the Prince's coup. Kushner, of course, was seeking a bailout of his underwater NY office building. Ivanka gets trademarks from China and Trump gets a cash infusion into a Trump complex in Indonesia about the same time Trump moves to rescue the sanctioned Chinese telcom. Russia is but one aspect of the Trump crime family. I don't see the news media connecting all these dots together but it's about time they did. Edited to add, and that Stone stuff (see Varoche's post). I'm sure there's more I've left out. |
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Oh, look at that. More Trump money from Russia. Money that keeps raising red flags about likely money laundering, no less.
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21st June 2018, 01:14 AM | #53 |
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21st June 2018, 03:36 AM | #54 |
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22nd June 2018, 02:19 AM | #55 |
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A useful interactive summary on CNN
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...estigations/#/ ETA: And a longer list - the timeline that I referred to earlier, but which now has over 1000 entries: https://investigaterussia.org/timeli...resident-trump |
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28th June 2018, 10:10 AM | #56 |
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30th June 2018, 12:09 AM | #57 |
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So, Daily Kos headline How Putin Turned Trump (It Was So Easy) caught my eye.
It's based on an interview of Malcolm Nance. Since I don't expect everyone to follow the link, I'll repeat a couple of the most salient points. Who does the KGB like to target, as paraphrased from an actual former KGB agent?
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2nd July 2018, 02:46 AM | #58 |
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2nd July 2018, 03:18 AM | #59 |
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3rd July 2018, 09:05 AM | #60 |
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3rd July 2018, 10:50 AM | #61 |
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Can we all agree that Russia won the cold war?
When the berlin wall came down, and the USSR was broken up, Americans had a reason to feel at least a little smug... they "beat the Russians" (or at least outlasted them). What had been their main global opponent was no more. They "won the cold war". Now, just a few decades later, the U.S. president was installed through assistance from Russia (not to mention Russian interference with the politics in other countries). Furthermore, the president seems to be eager to kowtow to Russia (recognizing Crimea as Russian, giving them free reign in Syria, and not taking significant steps to stop them from interfering in future elections.) And a large segment of the electorate (i.e. republican supporters), as well as republican politicians, seem quite comfortable with that arrangement. In other words, it looks like Russia was the ultimate victor in the cold war. |
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3rd July 2018, 07:32 PM | #67 |
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It looks like Trump is going to let Russia have Syria. Makes sense, after all, he's decided that their annexation of Crimea is okay.
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4th July 2018, 07:14 AM | #69 |
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The very best that Trumpers can hope for now is that Donnie will personally get away with "plausible deniability" when his toadies go down for conspiracy. Of course, we still don't know why Trump is so intent on advancing Putin's agenda, so "plausible" is not really very plausible until that's explained.
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I rather enjoyed writing this, so even if it goes off-topic, I'll leave it in here.
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6th July 2018, 08:54 AM | #74 |
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If you mean the terrorists, you also must also mean the pro-democratic opposition of the Assad government. And while we have no interest in ISIS winning that war, Assad is no bargain. He has on multiple occasions gassed and murdered thousands of his own people.
This isn't and has never been this simple issue that you are making it out to be. |
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The US has wanted Assad gone as much as we wanted Saddam and Qadaffi gone. All of which were/are ruthless violent and cruel undemocratic leaders. The Russians backed Assad and simply don't give a damn about how many people he murders as long as it provides stability as well as money.
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Are you able to hear yourself?
"The russians spent thousands of dollars on facebook ads! We are under attack!!!!!" "Putin once said if he could choose he would prefer the one who didn't threaten to shoot down russian planes while they are fighting US armed terrorists - how dare he!" "The US has wanted Assad gone as much as we wanted Saddam and Qadaffi gone." (Actually I don't blame you for Quadaffi, that was the french - just as an aside) That's not for you to decide! Porochenko has been "killing his own people" in the donbas for 4 years. Why don't you want him gone? |
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”That’s a problem for a lot of Americans: They just don’t love the two choices. Do you pick someone who’s under federal investigation for using a private email server?
"Or do you pick someone who called Mexicans rapists, claimed the president was born in Kenya, proposed banning an entire religion from entering the US, mocked a disabled reporter, said John McCain wasn’t a war hero because he was captured, attacked the parents of a fallen soldier, bragged about committing sexual assault, was accused by 12 women of committing sexual assault, said some of those women weren’t attractive for him to sexually assault, said more countries should get nukes, said that he would force the military to commit war crimes, said a judge was biased because his parents were Mexicans, said women should be punished for having abortions, incited violence at his rallies, called global warming a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese, called for his opponent to be jailed, declared bankruptcy six times, bragged about not paying income taxes, stiffed his contractors and employees, lost a billion dollars in one year, scammed customers at his fake university, bought a six-foot-tall painting of himself with money from his fake foundation, has a trial for fraud coming up in November, insulted an opponent’s looks, insulted an opponent’s wife’s looks, and bragged about grabbing women by the pussy? "How do you choose? Because it’s so...it’s so even.” — Seth Meyers |
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a fair number also bought the absurd lie that she sold uranium to Russia.
Which is an odd thing to be mad about seeing as though they now believe Russia is our only friend. |
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