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6th July 2018, 08:21 PM | #81 |
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7th July 2018, 01:45 AM | #82 |
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Well, logger (may God rest his merry soul) said that Trump had to be nice to Putin because you had to keep "bad Actors" on-side. So therefore it makes sense that Trump is friendly with enemies of the US and unfriendly with friends of the US.
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7th July 2018, 08:09 AM | #83 |
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Syria has been a Russian ally for years. As for the Russian Naval base..... maybe. The shortage of warm water bases has always been something of an issue for Russia. Nevertheless, I think that they, just like the US, even more so because of proximity are interested in stability with all the Muslim nations to their South.
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7th July 2018, 08:14 AM | #84 |
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That thinking is simply idiotic. Why improve relations with Russia when Russia hasn't come to heel? They haven't budged on election meddling, they still have troops occupying the sovereign territory of two neighbors, and they tried to murder two people in the UK. Let them have improved relations when they change their behavior.
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7th July 2018, 08:30 AM | #85 |
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Oh nonsense. And I am not deciding. I am saying that you are oversimpifying what has been happening in Syria. Russia was aiding the very brutal undemocratic Assad who was and is trying to murder any and all opposition which include both members of ISIS and pro-democracy forces which the US was supporting. Assad was regularly using chemical weapons on entire towns.
There are a lot of bad actors and Putin is far worse than Porochenko. I don't blame Russia for trying to influence elections abroad. No, that's not true. I blame them, but it is to be expected. Nobody wants ISIS, but should we really be supporting leaders like Assad? I don't think so. What I don't get about Trump is his fierce loyalty to Putin when Trump isn't loyal to anyone? Trump has started absurd fights with all of America's most staunch allies and yet is kissing Putin's ass. Why? |
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It may be worth noting that it looks like there may well be yet another effort in play to undermine the Russia investigation. In this case, by appointing a pointedly unqualified person with concerning Russia connections to an important related position.
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8th July 2018, 02:52 AM | #88 |
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https://twitter.com/shaneharris/stat...68931636088832
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OK, so we have this defense by Giuliani:
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I hate low-down, lying fascists. Wars of aggression, torture, child abuse, peeing in every pool they can find 24/7/365... Makes one wish (sigh) one could use some of their own medicine on them. Say, daily, one per state. |
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New Intrigue As Donald Trump Remarks Pair With Alleged Hacking Timeline
Tick, tick, tick... No wonder anti-democratic, fascist Republican traitors want to end the rule of law as soon as possible and undermine faith in the justice system. It's all pathological liars have got left when caught red-handed, over and over and over. Red-handed. Kinda sounds vastly more apropos nowadays. |
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Where was that in this, in a way that actually makes the statement that was made a lie?
Bear in mind, of course, that "false fronts" are involved here. Either way, for the fun of it, here's a take on it from the Daily Kos. New indictments show Russian hacking effort was large, intense, sustained—and GOP supported |
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These latest indictments kind of took the piss out of the Strzok grilling debacle, didn't it?
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Seth Abramson believes that, as Trump has known about these indictments for a few days, that some of those involved in the Strzok questioning will have known about them, too, and that the entire point of it was to distract from and preemptively lay the groundwork for discrediting them.
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I'm not a Trump apologist, but... Congress hasn't officially declared it a war, therefore it can't qualify as treason, legally, is probably still in play.
Hmm. It feels like it's a stretch to claim that the quoted quite qualifies for that purpose. Almost, but intentionally a couple hairs short, given potential alternate explanations. It certainly helps lay the groundwork for an actual allegation of knowing conspiracy, on the other hand. |
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A one-on-one meeting with Putin is highly unusual. Of course, former presidents didn't have a pee tape to worry about.
The chance that we'll ever learn what is said is slim, depending on Putin.
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The United States Constitution. Article III, section 3 reads as follows: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. ..."
"... No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court." Now we know why the one-on-one. |
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And what counts as an "Enemy?" Putin's our Dear Leader, right?
Pssh. Like Trump would care about things like that. Obviously, there's nothing wrong going on there. Just Trump licking Putin's boots to make him not mess with our compromised infrastructure and not wanting the associated headlines that would undermine national security. The same goes for that Republican visit to Russia on July 4th. Those men are heroes who are just sacrificing their image to buy time to find and remove Russia's cyber bombs! |
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After Trump’s disgraceful press conference today, we can conclude that he is the biggest coward to ever hold the presidency. He says nasty things about people when he is not confronting them face to face, only behind their backs. He is a classical coward.
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What more need be said, after NK, and now this Helsinki press conference, a litany of ill-conceived and barely disguised Russian and alt-right conceits?
Putin's bitch Trump now pole dances under the name Hell Sinky. |
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I have no idea if they were just being a-holes, but that action certainly makes it look like they were consciously trying to hide something. Maybe not all of them, but enough to convince others it was a good idea to reject the requests. If "both sides do it", it must mean Democrats are way better at hiding their dirt than Republicans, yet mysteriously can't turn that skill toward obtaining political power. No, at this point, I'd say it's pretty clear that the left side of the U.S. political spectrum is simply less corrupt on the whole. Occam's Razor and all that, you know... |
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If you honestly believe what President Trump did yesterday was treason I believe your judgement is clouded by hate for him.
Do you think Russia was not an enemy of the US when President Obama said "more flexibility after the elections" but they are now? Or was that also an act of treason. |
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"Enemies" means wartime, not every country that we might consider a geopolitical adversary at the time.
So no, Trump didn't commit treason no matter how much smoke he blew up Putin's ass. It's a good thing that the definition of treason is so strict. It prevents political abuse of the crime of treason and legal nightmares developing from changing international political winds. |
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What Trump did was capitulate to a foreign power that launched an attack on our Democratic institutions. It is an abdication of his responsibility to defend our nation.
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17th July 2018, 11:41 AM | #119 |
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Perhaps. But it's not treason, and unless Congress stands up to him it's his legal right to do it.
The impeachment process was put into the constitution under the assumption that Congress wouldn't be ok with a corrupt President whose primary allegiance seems to be to a foreign power. That appears to be a faulty assumption on the Founders' part. |
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Not sure what your claim is here.
Are you arguing that what Trump did just wasn't that bad, or that it was bad but it just doesn't fit the textbook definition of "treason"?
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