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24th April 2019, 02:18 PM | #81 |
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24th April 2019, 02:42 PM | #83 |
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LOL! Don't worry, I understand fully: Whenever someone finds fault with Trump, you always seek another entity to blame, such as local aid vs federal aid, or justifications to explain why TX received disproportionately more aid than Puerto Rico, or that I am simply looking at the wrong time frame (9 days....Too Short! 180 days...Too Long! LMFAO!!)...among many other "rationalizations".
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And I'm not guilty of posting hysterical chicken little doomsday bull ****. I am merely pointing out that a chaotic administration should not be counted on to be dependable in a time of crisis. And you know damn well we DO have crises from time to time.
But ignore reality if you want to. |
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That's nice. But given your claimed opinion on Obama (narcissist) and Trump (not a narcissist), I think I'll give your opinion on that just as much credence as your opinion on how nobody don't never need the federal gubmint to help with disasters, as long as they has insurance and a bottle of water!
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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An outlier might occur if there was an island where four million people lived, and every single power plant on the island was knocked out, including all the power for the water pumps. That would be an outlier.
And it's true that FEMA can't handle a situation like that. FEMA goes in to places where they can set up shop a few miles from the disaster area, sleep in a hotel, eat in a restaurant, and coordinate some activities. If you tried to send FEMA onto an unpowered island with four million people on it, that would turn out badly. Let's hope it never happens. |
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This thread arose out of the claim that Trump represents a unique threat. Hurricanes are only relevant here to the extent that they address that claim.
Local factors dominate the effectiveness of any response. If disaster preparedness is a priority for you, who the president is shouldn't be at the top of your list of concerns. |
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If you look at my last post you will notice that I actually boldened the word "Federal", not "Hurricane". I never claimed that local factors don't help or aren't important, but the specific topic is Federal aid. This also coincides with the fact that this thread spun off from the Trump thread, who shares responsibility for federal aid, not local.
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They were brought up as a dodge. So what if Trump (and those he picked) is objectively terrible at disaster preparedness? All anyone ever could need is homeowner's insurance and a bottle of water to survive a hurricane, flash flood, earthquake, or any other natural disaster! It's those inner city libruls who are such pansies they need gubmint assistance, not us self-sufficient macho conservatives who have never even faced or considered natural disasters on a scale worse than the creek overflowing into part of the cow-pasture.
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A lot of people have speculated about various reasons why Trump may have been indifferent. Racism? Classism? No electoral votes?
To me, it doesn't matter. In fact, I am not absolutely certain he was, in fact, indifferent. The truth is that the US government did quite a bit to aid in the aftermath of Maria. I don't know whether Trump cared all that much or paid all that much attention. We can compare statistics about money spent if we want. That might be revealing. We can try to compare different scenarios. That could tell us something. One thing we could also do is see how long one million or more Americans went without drinking water. Without flush toilets. Without electricity. Without access to modern medical facilities (i.e. hospitals that could conduct surgery. Doctor's offices that could perform basic care.) I don't have the stats handy, but I know the basic answer. It was a long time. Trump's response was inept. I don't care why it was inept. And I'll defend the president against knee-jerk attacks where everything is blamed on Trump. However, in this case, it really was Trump's fault. When you are in charge, and something bad happens, it is your responsibility to do everything reasonable to fix it. If it doesn't get fixed, it's your fault. That's the point of being "in charge". You don't get to blame somebody else. Was the local preparation inadequate? Absolutely. Was the local response acceptable? Maybe not. I really don't know. What I do know is that when it comes to the Oval Office, "The buck stops here." You don't get to blame the mayor of San Juan if things don't go well. Millions of Americans were without clean water for weeks. That shouldn't have happened, but it did. Who is to blame? Well, there is probably more than one person, but there is, in fact, one person at the top. I blame him. |
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What could Trump have done differently to get water and electricity running sooner?
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Activated the military and enlisted their ability to construct roads and move heavy equipment the morning after the hurricane. There were military units involved early, but they were poorly coordinated and mostly delivering supplies. He eventually did put a general in charge of the recovery effort. I believe it was about 10 days after the hurricane. He ordered a hospital ship to the area. I believe that was nine days after the hurricane.
Basically, he (and I say he because he is the guy in charge) treated it like it was another hurricane, but maybe a bit worse. That was inappropriate. In a regular hurricane situation, there is the area that got devastated, and across the street there is electricity and running water. Not so in this case. It was different, and it required a different response. I don't know exactly what Seabees and the Army Corps of Engineers do for a living. I don't know the logistics of it all, but I have this feeling that if you tell the folks in charge of those units that it's their job to get the water turned on, and that the guy in charge will be waiting for their phone call if they need anything, they can get it done. Not to the remote mountain villages, but into the cities where four million people lived. One month after the hurricane, there should not have been a million Americans without running water. |
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Are construction engineers making the claim that Trump failed?
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26th April 2019, 08:43 AM | #109 |
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Going back to your “change the subject” defence of Trump huh?
Nothing related to Katrina is at issue here, even Bush’s bungled response is at issue here. Bush wasn’t overly competent but few believe he deliberately and maliciously incompetent like Trump is proving to be. The question of whether Trump is unique is also equally irrelevant. He may be the first, but given how far the Republican party has fallen, he’s unlikely to be the last incompetent, malicious, terrible human being Republicans nominate and support |
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Claim: Trump is especially catastrophic.
Counter-Claim: Trump is no more catastrophic than other politicians. Case Study: Disaster preparedness and response, specifically hurricanes. --- If Trump isn't unique in this regard, why even bother to complain? |
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You mean the evidence of Trump picking which ethnic groups to provide more federal aid to isn't worthy of complaints?
When your case study shows a fraction of federal aid spent for brown people as for white people that's bad. Especially given that aid to an island is more difficult, meaning more costly, and so receiving so much less has a larger impact. |
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It's part of a deliberate GOP strategy to make their past Presidents look good by making their current ones so horrible. I mean, Bush was bad, but Trump makes him look good in comparison.
I wonder what they will top Trump with. Steve King? Steven Miller? A rabid, face-eating monkey? An actual clone of Hitler? |
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