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12th February 2020, 09:53 AM | #361 |
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If I may correct your analogy, since a lifeguard who can't swim is pretty silly, he tries his best to reach you but the tide takes you too far and he can't reach you before you drown. That's Nancy Pelosi.
Would you not rather have the one who tried, just in case they succeed? |
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12th February 2020, 09:54 AM | #364 |
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12th February 2020, 10:01 AM | #366 |
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The believe that the incomplete Impeachment has made a Trump re-election more likely doesn't seem to be founded on much.
Plenty of voters believe that Washington is broken, and the fact that a legitimate Impeachment can get shut down along party lines is very much in line with this. Only the voters who want the Federal Government to stay paralysed will think that the Impeachment was a failure. The others will consider it a rallying cry to flip the Senate. |
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12th February 2020, 10:05 AM | #367 |
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12th February 2020, 10:09 AM | #368 |
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Careful now. That's almost a definitive claim with a fixed specific point in time instead of the constantly being pushed back floating "at some point in the future that's never now something is going to happen we're going to start winning."
The Republicans keep control of the Senate in 2020, which is statistically likely to happen, what happens then? At what point do we admit what we are doing is not working? |
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12th February 2020, 10:13 AM | #370 |
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The other option of non-impeachment definitely wouldn't have worked as it would have demotivated the electorate to vote at all in the next election. The only way Republicans win is to cheat at this point, and that's exactly what they are doing. All we can do is try to get enough people to vote to overcome it.
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12th February 2020, 10:14 AM | #371 |
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12th February 2020, 10:22 AM | #373 |
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12th February 2020, 10:25 AM | #374 |
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Sorry, you appear to be reading polls from another planet. Even those polls that showed a slim majority didn't show enough to be outside the margin of error. And seriously, do you think the Senators that voted against removal from office live in the state where the people who wanted Trump removed live? That's simply deranged if you think that.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/ |
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12th February 2020, 10:26 AM | #376 |
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12th February 2020, 10:32 AM | #378 |
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The 538 link does not support the allegation that impeachment strengthened Trump's support.
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12th February 2020, 10:34 AM | #379 |
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12th February 2020, 11:07 AM | #380 |
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True, his approval rating has gone up slightly in some polling. And, Trump has supposedly used the impeachment proceedings as a way to generate additional campaign contributions.
https://time.com/5744415/trump-campa...ook-advantage/ https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...wmakers-110770 However, that doesn't necessarily mean the impeachment was a mistake, for a couple of reasons: - It may have caused Trump supporters to rally around the racist, but it also may help energize Democrats as well. (Many democrats also saw an increase in fundraising during the impeachment proceedings) - Its hard to know how the alternative might have gone. Ok, so Trump's approval ratings ticked up by a little bit. If they didn't impeach, it may still have gone up. Or it may have stayed the same. - It may have a secondary benefit on some of the congressional races. Senators like Collins (who was already dealing with low approval ratings) now has the stigma of her "Trump learned a lesson. He didn't? My Mistake". This may play a part in her 2020 senate race. Overall, I don't think we can say whether there was any net benefit or harm, and we probably won't for some time. Trump's approval ratings increased in some polls, but there is no guarantee that will be sustained. And it should be noted that many polls showing increase in his approval ratings are national, which doesn't mean he benefited at all in battleground states like Florida or Wisc. (For example, his approval rating in Michigan was 42% last summer. After impeachment, his approval is... 42%.) And Trump may have 'survived' impeachment with his support base intact, but between Trump's questionable actions and the possibility of future revelations, he may still get damaged. https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump-2/ |
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12th February 2020, 11:10 AM | #381 |
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12th February 2020, 02:31 PM | #382 |
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12th February 2020, 03:46 PM | #383 |
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12th February 2020, 04:38 PM | #387 |
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It isn't right to hold it against people when they don't use a power they don't have; it is right to hold it against people when they don't use a power they do have. And because it will come up, there are more kinds of weakness than one. Pelosi was not strong enough politically to hold Trump to more account (she's not 'weak' there by any reasonable metric), where Collins is weak personally, lacking the courage to do what is obviously morally and ethically right while also being the best thing for the country and her constituents. |
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Circled nothing is still nothing. "Nothing will stop the U.S. from being a world leader, not even a handful of adults who want their kids to take science lessons from a book that mentions unicorns six times." -UNLoVedRebel Mumpsimus: a stubborn person who insists on making an error in spite of being shown that it is wrong |
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14th February 2020, 01:55 PM | #389 |
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Putting this here since Flynn was one of the earlier indictments related to Mueller:
https://www.businessinsider.com/barr...nn-case-2020-2 Attorney General William Barr assigned a prosecutor to review the criminal case against Michael Flynn...The unusual move is likely to fuel further speculation of political interference in Department of Justice cases. So, are we looking at Roger Stone: The sequel? |
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14th February 2020, 10:26 PM | #390 |
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Because it's relevant here...
Mueller Papers: Another 1,400 Pages Released Some highlights that have already been picked out...
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15th February 2020, 01:58 AM | #391 |
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Agree.
Susan Collins is a gutless wonder.. all show and no substance. She claims to have the backs of women everywhere and 100% supports their rights not have bunch old white god-bothering men dictate to them what happens with their bodies, yet she voted Drunky McRapeface, an accused rapist, drunkard and a person KNOWN to want to overturn Roe v Wade, to the SCOTUS. A rank coward is what she is... and that Murkowski woman is not far behind her. |
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5th March 2020, 04:29 PM | #392 |
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9th March 2020, 04:42 PM | #393 |
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Fox mentioned this but didn't think it was a big problem. There will be an appeal and another court will overrule the decision.
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10th March 2020, 02:17 PM | #394 |
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Another court loss for Trump:
From: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...tion-case.html On Tuesday, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit issued a 2–1 decision upholding a lower-court ruling that ordered the Department of Justice turn over to Congress the parts of the Mueller report that have until now remained secret. Apparently the one dissenting judge was one that was nominated by Trump. |
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30th May 2020, 01:37 AM | #395 |
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11th June 2020, 03:16 PM | #399 |
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It would be nice but Barr won't show nor will he allow anyone else to show. It would be nice if the judge then simply released the un-redacted report.
It might shut up Lindsay Graham who this morning in committee is still repeating the CT that the FBI was in cahoots with Clinton to get Trump. I have a great idea, release it near the end of Oct. |
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