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7th November 2019, 05:53 PM | #161 |
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9th November 2019, 01:40 PM | #163 |
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The Libs don't like their fake news narratives being challenged.
It was an "insurance policy" to be used in the unlikely event of a Trump victory. Trump did win and they used this "insurance policy" to launch a coup to overthrow his Presidency. What about Donald Trump's visits to Moscow circa 2016 that were apparently arranged by Source D? The issue with the Steel Dossier is that its allegations were used to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on an American citizen, Carter Page. The dossier alleges a criminal conspiracy between Trump, Manafort and Page. This is why the warrant was sought. Have these allegations been proven? The dossier contains information that is both public and secret or proprietary. The public information can be verified because you don't need the dossier to verify it. You can just use Google. But what about the allegations that are known only in the dossier? What percentage of that information was verified by the subsequent investigations? That is the critical question because Steele's sources were supposed to have had inside information. Yet they don't seem to provide any more information than what is publicly known. This is how the Dossier works. It takes public information and then weaves a narrative(conspiracy theory) around those events. Carter Page made a trip to Moscow on July 7th, 2016. The dossier dated July 19, 2016 states that he had secret meetings with Igor Sechin and Igor Divyekin as part of a criminal conspiracy. His public trip can be verified; this secret meeting could not. Note that July 19th, 2016 is only 3 days before WikiLeaks started publishing DNC e-mails. If Steele was really in the know with high-level Russian intelligence officials don't you think he would have known beforehand? The leaked DNC e-mails work the same way. After WikiLeaks published some of the e-mails, Steele weaves this into a narrative as part of Trump-Russia collusion scheme. "TRUMP associate admits Kremlin behind recent appearance of DNC e-mails on WikiLeaks, as means of maintaining plausible deniability." "...exchange of information established in both directions. TRUMP's team using moles within DNC and hackers in the US as well as outside in Russia. PUTIN motivated by fear and hatred of Hillary CLINTON. Russians receiving intel from TRUMP's team on Russian oligarchs and their families in US." Once again, the information that is available from other sources can be verified; information proprietary to the dossier cannot. Anyone can write a dossier from available sources and then add some "secret meetings", "exchanges of money", "conspiracy of cooperation" to make mundane events sound more interesting and diabolical. This is all the Steele dossier does. So what percentage of the information known only in the dossier has been verified? |
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9th November 2019, 04:11 PM | #164 |
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*comforts tanabear*
Your projection is amusing, though! Either way, you really should take a step back and seriously evaluate the people peddling what you're pushing, especially given that they've proven, over and over, that they're not pushing that crap in good faith or with any real interest in truth. I'm quite fine with considering challenges made in good faith, regardless. After the nth challenge that's clearly not made in good faith and the nth time that utter nonsense that has been repeatedly shown to be utter nonsense is pushed, though, there's really no point in engaging further, because the person has shown beyond reasonable doubt that they are not to be trusted at all on the substance of their claims. That's where you are now. And trust, once lost, is hard to regain. |
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9th November 2019, 05:53 PM | #165 |
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Yep, obvious Trumper is obvious Trumper dedication to Dear Leader is like a religion; hell it IS a religion. Like all religious fanatics, Trumpers are impervious to reason and logic. It is pointless engaging with them at all, because there is nothing you can tell them or show them, no matter how bad, no matter how much it reveals Dear Leader to be a tax fraud and/or a criminal, no matter how well sourced, no matter how much you can prove that it is cold, hard, undeniable truth, they will never, ever be swayed from their dogmatic beliefs. One only needs to look at the current situation with the impeachment inquiry see the Trumpers' perfidy..... First they claim there was no quid-pro-quo. Then, when a quid-pro-quo was shown to exist, we got "it wasn't bad enough to warrant impeachment". Then when it was shown that it was actually really bad, we got "well it didn't work - no harm no foul" Then, when it was pointed out the the attempt itself was bad enough, we got "oh we do that all the time" Then the witnesses started testifying, and we got "the process is unfair, we only have the Dem's word for what is being testified to" Then the transcripts started being released, we got (from Lindsay Graham) "well I'm not going to read the transcripts" - the political equivalent of shutting his eyes, sticking his fingers in his ears and screaming "LA LA LA LA LA - I CAN'T HEAR YOU" |
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9th November 2019, 06:01 PM | #166 |
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Trump's not keen on it either.
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What we do know is that Manafort and Page were involved with various players in post-Soviet corruption, and that this is the sort of person Trump was associating with when he began his run for President. Which, by the way, did not start an international panic amongst security agencies who began creating an "insurance policy" : while Trump loomed large in your world, with him being a TV celebrity, he did not loom large in the outside world, where a TV celebrity running for President was the sort of silliness expected of the US. Other countries have their own TV celebrities to loom large in the minds of their low-IQ types. |
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9th November 2019, 06:04 PM | #167 |
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9th November 2019, 06:30 PM | #168 |
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I think the segment of US society that now forms the Trump cult is the one that already put celebrities on a different plane from normal folk. To the extent they took any interest in politics it was the proven fact (ask tanabear for details) that Obama was a Kenyan Muslim. Trump's embrace of birtherism made him the perfect bridge between celebrity worship and political worship.
Would that a Kardashian had thought of it first, but sadly, no. |
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9th November 2019, 06:42 PM | #170 |
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Wasn't that a wonder? You expect that sort of thing from Trump, who's complaining that public hearings deny him the chance to complain that hearings are secret, but Graham must surely know, in his heart of hearts, what he sounds like. And yet he keeps doing it. Has he no shame? I like to think he does, and that it's killing him inside.
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9th November 2019, 06:47 PM | #171 |
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9th November 2019, 08:00 PM | #172 |
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You forgot a few.
They tried "But it doesn't matter that we tried it because Ukraine didn't know about it." Except that Ukraine did know about it and were two days away from announcing in an interview on CNN that they were doing what Trump wanted when the whole thing exploded in Trump's face because someone leaked the plot to the media. You also forgot that after demanding public testimony and Trump's lawyers be allowed to cross examine witnesses, and for them being able to call witnesses, when they were given all those things and more, the Republicans unanimously voted against the very process they'd been calling for days before. And also that after claiming that private testimony was unfair and they should be public, now that we're getting public ones Trump is claiming that having public ones are unfair. |
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9th November 2019, 11:01 PM | #174 |
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10th November 2019, 10:01 AM | #177 |
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Another fact-free word salad.
It was leaked to the press before the election that Trump was under investigation. New York Magazine: Final ‘October Surprises’ Reveal FBI Is Probing Trump’s Alleged Russia Ties Mother Jones: A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump He was still able to win the election however, then a coup was launched to overthrow his Presidency. No, the FISA warrant on Carter Page was issued in October of 2016 and was renewed 3 times after that. The initial FISA warrant on Page was based heavily on the fraudulent dossier. Yes, the Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy theory was entirely a western media and western intelligence generated PYSOPS campaign against the American people; not a single bit of it was ever true. Or do you think that Joseph Mifsud is really a Russian agent? It did start a panic eventually amongst the denizens of the Deep State. How early is still debatable. There is a text between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page from December 2015 that reference, "oconus lures"; that is spies outside the US. We do know that Christopher Steele was desperate that Trump not get elected and created his phony dossier that he peddled to the press. p.s. Trump never loomed large in my world. I don't believe I ever saw a single episode of the Apprentice. |
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10th November 2019, 11:39 AM | #178 |
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Thanks for admitting that you have no idea what word salad means! As for the fact-free part? I pretty clearly stated the relevant facts for the specific issue that was at hand. Given your answers, you, in fact, are the one not working with fact in your answers to me.
Still, with that said, once more, the people who are peddling what you're pushing have repeatedly and consistently shown that they have no interest in either truth or principle (actions speak much louder than words, after all) and that these claims that you're parroting are not being forwarded in good faith. Why, exactly, are you putting so much faith in people that are working so hard and so obviously to deceive you? |
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10th November 2019, 11:47 AM | #179 |
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I see tanabear just keeps repeating the same nonsense.
I think what's funny is Andrew McCabe. The man who made sure the investigations into Trump would go on after he met with Trump who was dancing on fired Comey's grave. McCabe became the acting FBI director after Comey's firing. Trump wanted McCabe to parrot his line that FBI was happy to see Comey go. But McCabe wouldn't play ball and said the opposite directly contradicting the Liar in Chief. Trump was livid and became even more angry that McCabe went one step further and made sure the investigations were on solid ground and wouldn't magically disappear. So, Trump has been seeking revenge ever since. But McCabe, a 21 year veteran of the FBI and a straight shooter has been weathering the non-stop political attacks and threats of criminal prosecution. They empaneled a Grand Jury and yet didn't get an indictment? What the hell for? Lawyer after lawyer has quit on this case. And all hell is going to break loose on November 15 which is the deadline for prosecutors to charge McCabe. The FBI did ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong in obtaining the FISA warrants even though Trump's toadies keep threatening criminal charges on that. The Trump Administration where conspiracy theories are the norm. |
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10th November 2019, 12:45 PM | #180 |
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Its just more evidence that Trump became very angry when he realised that the Presidency does not make him all-powerful, or give him the authority to wipe out his enemies and critics with a stroke of the pen. He must have been seething when a Grand Jury would not indict McCabe.
Grand Juries - enemies of the people. |
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Of course you do. Do you know that famous Black Knight scene? That's what you and your fellow Russiagate CTers look like after all crippled legs of the moronic story you bothered the world with for years have come off. And here you are acting as if nobody noticed. Funny.
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Now the Monty Python Black Knight skit is hilarious. I give you that. But there is nothing funny about Trump being Putin's bitch. I see that Dumb Donald is considering attending the May Day celebrations as his benefactor's guest. First Trump gets Russian hookers to pee on him. Now he wants all of the US to share his experience.
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Yea, its like Trump saying all those political losses don't matter. "Extorting Ukraine is not a crime! You should be investigating Biden, not me" It's not an impeachable offense. Trump is the epitome of the Black Knight. All I see Trump and his supporters peddling is disinformation on a massive scale. |
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10th November 2019, 02:42 PM | #187 |
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10th November 2019, 03:05 PM | #190 |
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I really don't care about Trump's kinks. Whether the hookers peed on him, the bed or there were no hookers. That part is merely "color".
What I do know about the Russia investigation is that Russia interfered with the 2016 Presidential election. That Trump invited that interference, that his campaign was eager for any help they might offer (the Trump tower meeting). And that after Trump was elected he proceeded to kiss Putin's ass in the most obsequious fashion. And that Trump proceeded to obstruct justice in every way imaginable. If Trump isn't guilty of conspiring with Russia why did he proceed to act like the guiltiest person that ever lived? |
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And you're demonstrating why it's so problematic right there. What's actually described really doesn't look much like a kink in the first place. It looks like a petty and crass act of vindictive hate. That's bad enough on its own, of course, but that it would also give the Russians (more) blackmail that would fairly certainly be effective when it comes to a pathological narcissist like Trump, both directly and as part of "Putin is actually your friend" mind games as Putin claims to have prevented the release of such, demonstrates that this guy has seriously horrible judgement and is a danger to national security (something that's been shown to be true over and over and over since, of course). That's pretty much why the whole thing matters in the first place.
That's not a great attempt to change the subject, true as that stuff may be. |
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I thought the "subject" was the Mueller investigation or was the thread mislabeled?
I see this conversation a lot like Comey did. Comey reports The Steele dossier to Trump and Trump freaks out wanting to disprove it all. Now Comey didn't put nuch stock in the accuracy of the Steele Dossier until that moment. Obviously, the hooker golden shower is the least likely part of the Steele dossier. I dismissed it the moment I heard it. But it is the most fun part of it to mock Trump trolls. I'm sure you understand. |
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10th November 2019, 09:04 PM | #197 |
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Do you really, really need walked through the conversation that JUST happened?
Source? It rather sounds like you're likely playing a bit fast and loose with the facts again. The most salacious. This is Trump that we're talking about, though, so it's rather hard to call it the least likely. Given that it's the most salacious, I'm not surprised. With that said, though, I don't derive pleasure from mocking Trump trolls for things that they didn't claim. They generally produce plenty of foolishness without bringing in outside claims. |
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10th November 2019, 09:20 PM | #198 |
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I KNOW what I said and there is a huge difference between obvious hyperbole and lying. Lying means you are deliberately stating falsehoods with an intent to deceive. Do you really think my comment was an intent to deceive or was it to make fun of Trump?
Where have you been living? Under a rock? Tell me which part you want proof on since my statement was general and a bit vague. |
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And I accused you of neither. Hookers peeing on Trump is a fundamentally wrong description of what's stated in the raws and changes the nature of the event from being absurdly petty, moronic, and spiteful to being just a kink. I didn't accuse you of lying. I pointed out what you said was wrong and wrong in a way that was likely produced by the not particularly clear reporting that happened at the time about it.
There are only two statements there. I'll poke at a couple more specific things, though.
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10th November 2019, 10:15 PM | #200 |
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You're right, you didn't. That was my mistake conflating a couple other posts with yours. Yuppie suggested I was "normalizing lying" . In my view Trump has been peeing on America with his constant lying and attacks on our institutions. I ADMITTEDLY took a literary licence with the Steele dossier which in itself offered an outrageous story without any evidence about Russian hookers and Trump. I mean if you're going to believe that story on that evidence whats the difference?
I don't even need to go to Wikipedia since I saw the interview they referenced. It's not that Comey thought poorly of Steele. It's that he saw the Steele Dossier for what it was which was raw intelligence. He didn't believe the salacious bits and while he thought the Dossier warranted further vetting he wasn't going to prejudge how much was true or false. |
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