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18th November 2019, 02:21 PM | #241 |
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The Roger Stone – Wikileaks – Russia Hoax
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Excellent article by The Guardian. Thanks.
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20th November 2019, 03:25 AM | #243 |
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20th November 2019, 05:46 AM | #245 |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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22nd November 2019, 03:03 PM | #247 |
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Here's the latest big new lie to pay attention to.
Trump is still trying to sell the lie that the whole Mueller investigation was a witch hunt, (never mind the convictions and guilty pleas). So he has directed his minion, Barr, to investigate the initial FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page. So it has been leaked? announced? to the press that the investigation has uncovered some supposed altered document by an FBI agent that was submitted to the court for the FISA warrant. Oooouuu, the smoking gun! But oddly enough this leak/announcement was tossed out there to simmer with the implication it is some big important thing (even though it has already been suggested the alteration was insignificant). The actual mystery of what this is won't be released until Dec 9th. The Hill (which I have lost confidence in, sorry for using their summary).
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NYPost Washington Post quietly changes story on altered Russia probe document I can't find the WA Po article but a lot of people don't have access to it anyway.
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So what do you do with a smoking gun that isn't really smoking? You hint and tease that you found this incriminating thing for ~3 weeks so that is sinks in that the FISA warrant was obtained using fraudulent information. And once that sinks into the subconscious of the believers, you release the actual detail that said finding was a 'nothing burger' at a time when, in a few months people will forget that part and only remember the claim something fraudulent was found. NPR: Initial beliefs are hard to dislodge. And yes, GOP marketers are well aware of this. Trump has people working for him that are also aware. |
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22nd November 2019, 05:16 PM | #249 |
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The reason why the gun isn't smoking is that it's a water pistol. https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...mments-wrapper As expected, Horowitz found some minor errors but nothing that invalidates any of the FBI's actions. |
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The technical point that the IG review of the FISA warrant began in March 2018 is correct.
Barr opened an inquiry (now technically a "criminal probe") into the SC Russia investigation in May 2019, headed by John Durham. It should be noted, however, Bogative's technicality completely misses the overall thrust of your point. Nor is it remotely appropriate to leap to the conclusion that you made the error do to some kind of derangement. It's just a slightly different way of parroting the claim that everyone who doesn't like Trump is "biased." Totally unoriginal. The entire gambit echoes the exact situation in front of us. One lawyer fudging some records doesn't invalidate the warrant, nor does mixing up which specific investigation it was Barr initiated therefore invalidate the claim that Barr has enacted an "investigate the investigators" strategy. |
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that is funny stuff, what was the "ip", and how did "they" get clownstick to act like an idiot, obstruct justice, incite violence, and bribe a country?
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9th December 2019, 12:17 PM | #255 |
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The DoJ Inspector General's report is out - it comprehensively and definitively shoots down any idea of a Deep State conspiracy theory to spy on the Trump campaign.
1. The decision to open the Crossfire Hurricane investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election was correctly and properly opened, predicated on actual evidence that a foreign power, namely Russia, was influencing the Trump campaign, and was attempting to interfere 2016 election.Its a slam dunk, but of course, Trump's DoJ stooge Bill Barr will reject it because it doesn't say what he wanted it it say. Expect another investigation to be started soon. I expect he will keep doing this until he either gets what he wants or runs out of time. tanabear's pet theory that the investigations were some sort of "insurance policy" is hurtling to the ground in flames - its bollocks, and it always was bollocks. Full report here: https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.c...43c0f61194.pdf Read it and weep Trump Trash! ETA: Here is a brief video in which former DEA Administrator Chuck Rosenburg discusses the FBI guidelines for beginning an investigation (The whole video is 7:28, Rosenburg begins at 5:25 http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/ag-...be-74782789550 |
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9th December 2019, 12:24 PM | #256 |
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It must really be embarrassing when autocrats can't even get their underlings to get them the results they ask for.
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You can expect Trump supporters to continue claiming Trump's campaign was spied on regardless of the report's findings. Trump will never acknowledge the report's findings as accurate. It would not be surprising if he now begins to claim the IG investigation was biased and fixed.
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9th December 2019, 12:33 PM | #258 |
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That "other investigation" already started and is being run by John Durham. Signals seen in drafts of the IG report and anonymous comments indicate that in responses to IG inquiries, he provided no evidence supporting any of the "insurance policy" nonsense. Where his beliefs lay is anyone's guess, but even Barr's hand-picked investigator seems to not be pushing the narrative they want.
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9th December 2019, 12:35 PM | #259 |
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Barr is lying is bare ass off in his statement about the IG report.
This is completely unprecedented. The only possible explanation at this point is that Trump has some Kompromat on him involving waterfowl and cream cheese. |
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9th December 2019, 12:36 PM | #260 |
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Barr's statement:
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It's time to realise that facts don't matter. Not figuratively, but literally.
This is like when the Mueller report painted a damning picture of the Trump campaign and administration, and Trump said it complely exonerated him, or when he keeps telling us to read the transcript that shows that he extorted another country for political dirt. It doesn't matter anymore. We've moved beyond facts into a new realm of chaos. |
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What Belz said.
All source of facts have been destroyed, dismissable as bias or fake news. All forms of argumentatives have been destroyed, trolling has been perfected to the point that it can shut down any argument it wants. It is impossible to present information or share it or to argue for it. The tiny fringe of reality deniers that used to live on the margins are now in the center. We are in a post-truth world. |
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9th December 2019, 12:43 PM | #264 |
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It is a Constitutional Crisis when the AG lies about the work of the FBI on a critical case with overwhelmingly evidence to the contrary.
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Despite what I said just hours ago, looks like Durham is now walking point.
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I would call it Truthism rather than Truth.
We are now in a world where nothing we are told can be believed, it is almost impossible without knowing primary sources if what you are being told about is real or not. JayUtah stated in my signature that It must be fun to lead a life completely unburdened by reality, but we are all fast getting there, where reality and truth will be nothing more that what we choose to believe from whom we choose to believe it, and no one's truth and reality will be allowed to be any more real than anyone else's chosen truth and reality. |
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Sadly, Trump supporters will believe Barr and Trump over the actual IG report. They'll believe this:
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I couldn't care less of Graham is gay or not. Irrelevant to me...but to his Southern Baptist constituents, it would matter.
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Nah. He'd just beg forgiveness. Claim he found Jesus again. Mebbe go to a pray-the-gay-away re-education camp for a month. Somewhere with Jacuzzis and wet bars in the en suite private cabins, probably. All forgiven and forgotten. The only unforgivable transgressions are to be a Democrat and/or say something disparaging about Trump. |
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Accusing the FBI of anti-Trump bias might be less about 2016 and more about ongoing and future Investigations into Trump.
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