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14th January 2020, 05:31 PM | #41 |
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15th January 2020, 12:07 PM | #43 |
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At some point willful ignorance by itself becomes a psychiatric disorder:
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I'm having a hard time imagining how someone could be "dangerously uninformed" about the history of the Pearl Harbor attack.
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Sounds like the "dangerously uniformed" assessment refers more broadly to his core knowledge of the world and his basic information-processing ability. But it's hard to understand how a 72-year-old man who grew up around veterans and who watched Pearl Harbor commemoration ceremonies every year wouldn't know a little more than he does.
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Because those who do not learn from history are bound to repeat it?
A 73 year old college educated man who is ignorant of the most basic facts of one of the most important events in US...no...world history....yet is the most powerful man in the world is not a good combination. It is a dangerous one. |
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Of course you are. Because using one quoted snippet of a yet to be published book is easiest way for you to distract from the substance of the quote. Trump knows nothing about Pearl Harbor history (among myriad other things) and is perfectly acceptable for the president of the USA.
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Trump will keep our navy in Pearl Habor until we have taken all the pearls!
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(A) This man can single-handedly launch nukes
(B) This man does not understand the significance of Pearl Harbor in America’s history. (C) This man believes he is a genius nonpareil who doesn’t need to ask for advice on any subject whatsoever. (When asked who he talks with consistently about foreign policy, President Trump responded, “I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things. I know what I’m doing and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people and at the appropriate time I’ll tell you who the people are. But my primary consultant is myself and I have a good instinct for this stuff." A+B+C= danger. As I’ve said before, if I walk up to the scene of an auto accident and see a bone sticking out of someone’s leg, I don’t think my lack of formal medical training means I am out of line in saying, “dude, you should see a doctor about that.” Similarly, I think it is appropriate to look at President Trump’s statements and behavior and say, “dude, you should see a panel of doctors about that.” ...... On foreign policy he is consulting himself because he has “a big brain” and he’s “said a lot of stuff.” I’m not qualified to comment on possible mental illnesses. I do, however, feel it is not inappropriate to say this guy does not have a firm grip on mental hygiene. |
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I don’t get what you are complaining about. “Dangerously mentally ill” has absolutely nothing to do with ignorance. Being mentally ill doesn’t make you ignorant or dangerous; being ignorant doesn’t make you dangerous or mentally ill. Which is one of the big problems with using the “mentally ill,” label in the first place: it perpetuates untrue and harmful stereotypes. |
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Of course. I went to The Candidates' Psychiatric Evaluations. Available online or at Barnes and Nobles. Doesn't everyone?
I didn't vote for Trump because I thought he was mentally ill. I didn't vote for him because I thought he was a disgusting, lying, cheating, bullying, corrupt, childish, narcissistic POS. |
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Obviously I disagree. The Yale group broke from the ethical rules of their profession, to make an unorthodox and public diagnosis. They cited their duty to warn as the justification for this. If the thing they're warning about is already understood and accounted for by the public, then it fatally undermines their justification.
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You addressed your question to Ladewig, not the general public. If you wanted the general public to answer then maybe you should organize a poll or something? And anyway, if I tell someone something they already know, that does not negate my motivation for speaking in the first place. You seem to have this backwards. |
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When I was a kid, a neighbor strongly objected when we mentioned we dropped atomic bombs on Japan in WW2. Just refused to believe it saying the USA would never use nuclear weapons first. It was just inconceivable to her. She would have been about 14 y/o in 1945 so go figure.
Not like it wasn't in the news at the time. One can only wonder how malleable memory is. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful force. |
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Actually it clearly does, if the ignorance is the result of Trump's delusion that he already knows everything. The story cited the example of Trump and Rex Tillerson: Tillerson has known and negotiated with V. Putin since the '90s. But when he tried to share his knowledge and experience with the new President, Trump cut him off and ultimately fired him. Ignorance is bad enough by itself, but everybody can read a book or take a class. It's the inability to recognize ignorance that makes it a psychiatric illness. And he's got the launch codes.
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