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Ok, let's grant that being an ******* can be a sign of mental disorder (which I think is a very unfair and stigmatizing way of putting it: "Man, that autistic kid is a bit of an *******, isn't he?" seems a bit of a dick move, but whatever). It does not follow that evidence of being an ******* is therefore evidence of a mental disorder. It can also be -and is most of the time- evidence of a normal person who is an *******.
Dr. Allen Frances writes alot about medicalizing normality -the inflation of diagnostic categories so that normal grief becomes Major Depression, just about everyone would qualify as ADD etc. That's a problem he sees with psychiatry as an institution. However, I see a much bigger problem amongst the lay audience: Using mental health terms to describe people and behavior one simply doesn't like. I think it's something we've all done and you are doing it here. Something that needs to change in society, I think. |
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Dang, I have to agree with you. Here's the quote:
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What makes you think that? He was discussing US innovation and mentioned some examples, including the wheel. Obviously it wasn't as bad as if he was deliberately talking about that, but it is telling that he's losing his train of thought an within a few seconds d ends up just listing inventions - I'd guess by word association.
His speech is getting more like the, " presss the middle word in your autosuggest" game |
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His obvious deterioration has been widely noted and discussed:
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My copy of the book is now at the library. I'll pick it up tomorrow.
Meanwhile, the House hearing discussing the second article shows Trump's classic narcissism. |
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Actually, more seriously, I’m more concerned with his completely lack of self-awareness.
Leading up to the impeachment he told Republican Congressfolk, you may be up for a tough re-election, the RNC can provide you with needed funds if, you know, you are, shall we say, part of the team. But when Bloomberg says that if he doesn’t get the nomination, he’ll donate money to the person who does get nominated, President Trump complains that such an offer is a problem because now the other candidates will go easy on Bloomberg in debates. And secondarily, the President has a hard time grasping the concept that someone might make an offer to one or more rival nomination candidates and then follow through with the offer even though the winning candidate said harsh things about the person making the offer. I’ve met thirteen-year-olds who understand cooperation, teamwork, grace, and honor better than President Trump. |
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And if I can quote Bill Maher.
Try to imagine President Trump losing the election and saying, “The people have spoken and they have chosen my opponent. I offer my sincere congratulations and look forward to working with the transition team. I want to thank all the people who worked long hours on my re-election campaign.” Is there even an iota of evidence that President Trump would ever say those words? But don’t say he’s mentally unbalanced! He may be constitutionally incapable of admitting even the tiniest of errors or admitting that he failed at something (he still describes himself as a great casino owner); he may respond to any criticism by insisting that his actions are literally perfect, but whatever you do don’t speculate about how he may be suffering from a mental disorder. |
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I actually think that's unfair on Trump.
However his comment about the wheel, to me looks like he started listing US inventions and then his mind drifted and finished listing inventions. That's not normal, but could be expected if Trump is mentally declining. |
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If you're not being written by Aaron Sorkin, it's evidence of mental illness?
--- Meanwhile, it's funny how the DSM is something any layperson can read and apply, but the APA's ethical guidelines are inscrutable to the lay audience and should only be interpreted by healthcare professionals. |
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Now that seems like a profoundly disingenuous reading of the arguments in this thread. Meanwhile, can you explain why you thought my statement in the conversation below was "profoundly disingenuous"? |
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I have a copy. It's quite long and will take some time to read.
Essentially it consists of 27 separate essays by different professionals, each with a fairly thorough bibliography and citations. It is a professional work with some popular titles like "Trump's Daddy Issues". I'm going to read that one first. |
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I wasn’t focusing on Musk’s competencies, I was focusing on “he does good at.”
As for our president, I think considering oneself a stable genius who never makes mistakes, who can’t even admit that one’s typos are errors, who screams at people who point out mistakes, who believes one is the most populat president in US history despite having net approval value that has never been positive, and who asserts one knows more about everything than anyone else in the country, is reason enough to swing by the doctor’s office and get some testing done. |
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You've got the original version. The 2019 revision includes 10 additional essays and other updates based on what Trump has actually done during his first two years in office. https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Cas...63/ref=sr_1_1? https://dangerouscase.org/ |
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It’s not a professional work; it’s a popular work. It isn’t designed for professionals; it’s designed for lay audiences. The bibliography and citations? There are some references to peer reviewed journals or studies but absolutely none that support the scientific basis behind the non-existent methodology of diagnosing people based on public domain information. You will find a lot of references to the popular press, blogs, online news outlets, etc. A lot of them quoting each other, as if that’s meaningful. We are told in one essay that it isn’t about mental illness; in many other essays, it’s all about mental illness. A lot of question begging on that subject. A lot of using the public record to make their case. A lot of reference to checklists for psychopathy, propensity to violence, etc. In short, a lot of exactly the kinds of things the APA has stood firm against. It’s a political hatchet job in the guise of psychological analysis. Perhaps the “best” chapter in the book is the one I mentioned before: it’s about dangerousness, not mental illness, by Dr Gilligan. It almost works as a professional speaking as a concerned citizen but there are too many references to the expertise of the author and his colleagues. And I shouldn’t forget to mention the Godwinning. That “Trump’s Daddy issues” chapter? Written by a guy who is, perhaps a great storyteller (he is noted as “an accomplished singer-songwriter and storyteller”) but I can’t imagine his MD makes him a mind reader. The extensive data he reviewed? Two essays from the New York Times and the Guardian. |
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I own that book, so I have indeed seen it.
And yes, I do have a bias against the book. Likewise. your own opinion (if you find it favorable) won’t validate the book because of your bias in favoring the premise. The best we can do is attempt to recognize those biases and be fair. |
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Ah, I'd just thought of that as informal use of language. I only get concerned about language ability when the intent is hidden - for example several conspiracy theorists whose grammar lead me to think they have some disorder in thinking.
What Crank.net used to describe as "illucid".
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A helpful reminder that Trump still has his thumb on the button:
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Trump is now ranting at length, including about Hillary's emails and the FBI. How can anyone watch this and
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The news is saying that Medical Science has downgraded Trump's brainality from "two tacos short of a combo platter" to "architectural oversight regarding staircase height comparative to second floor entry point". If it reaches "nocturnal flying mammals infesting ecclesiastical rooftop structure" they'll issue a Twitter alert.
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The now-defunct Splinter News used to have regular updates on Trump's brain status. There were a lot of food metaphors.
Examples: Trump Brain Status: Truck Stop Hot Dog Trump Brain Status: Noble Peas Trump Brain Status: Turkey, Roasted |
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He's still got a firmer grasp on reality than Aunt Becky, anyway. If he starts showing up at yoga class in a Crime Hat we'll know it's time to panic.
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Anyone else notice how his weird tics and grimaces are getting more frequent and longer?
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