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2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part IV
What Constitutional procedure? The C only says that the Senate gives advice and consent; the details of that are completely in the hands of the Senate. The Senate has adopted rules for these nominations. Harry Reid exercised the "nuclear option," for nominations except Supreme Court justices; McConnell did it for Supreme Court justices. Let's not pretend that Harry Reid's actions were noble and altruistic and McConnell's were dastardly and selfish. The Senate makes the rules and the leader of the Senate can use the rules to accomplish their goals. Fair game. |
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The way I see it it went like this:
Under Obama Republicans: We are going to oppose everything Obama does Democrats: Here is a perfectly competent lower court judges Republicans: We are going to fillibuster, just because we're selfish jerks Democrats: Guess we need the nuclear option Under Trump Republicans: Here is a judge that is totally unsuitable for the supreme court Democrats: We don't think you should place an unsuitable judge on the supreme court Republicans: We're going with the nuclear option because we really want that unsuitable judge on the bench.
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Classy guys. I guess dancing around doing war cries wouldn't work as well over the internet.
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The one delegate Tulsi Gabbard won in American Samoa should have won her a ticket to the next "debates" - if rules meant rules for the DNC machine: DNC Scrambles To Change Debate Threshold After Gabbard Qualifies
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I think a lot of liberal types were in denial about the whole issue. They tried to hand-wave away the problem as the usual right-wing nonsense, but there was some actual meat to the controversy.
I like Warren as a Senator, but this whole claiming to be Native American in a professional context thing is a black mark on her record. It plays exactly into the worst tropes of affirmative action policies. Curious to see who she endorses, or if she abstains from endorsing at all. |
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With Warren gone, at least the probability of a contested convention becomes quite low.
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I can't remember who said it regarding Chris Cuomo claiming "Fredo" was an insult equivalent to the n-word, but when you're comparing the badness of two words and you won't even say one of those words, that's the worse word.
So no, "Pocahontas" isn't the equivalent of the n-word, and your own post proves it. |
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From: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9083001.html
Donald Trump’s repeated use of the name “Pocahontas” as part of an attack on Democrat Elizabeth Warren has been condemned as “an insult for political gain”, by the country’s largest indigenous rights groups...the National Congress of American Indians (NCAI), which describes itself as the oldest and largest indigenous rights organisation in the US, formally criticised Mr Trump, saying his actions were part of a long tradition of insults endured by Native Americans and other indigenous groups. |
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Re: Tulsi making the next Democratic debates...
Your right, she shouldn't be on the stage. But, the question is how do you prevent her from appearing if the rules already say she has that right? (Remember the controversy when the Democrats changed the rules for Bloomberg.... last thing they need is more publicity by changing the rules again.) Granted Tulsi is unlikely to win anything, or even pick up significant support, even after appearing in a debate. She can however, throw a monkey wrench into the works in a couple of ways: - With a much smaller field of candidates, she might get enough attention (and ultimately delegates) to prevent one of the candidates from getting a majority - She could mess with the dynamics of the debate, drag up irrelevancies (such as Clinton) and make the Democrats look foolish |
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Warren's out of the race so is any of this jumping on her grave, racist or not, relevant? I loved her dearly but our journey together is over, it's time to move on.
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I totally agree. The subject was "competing interests" and my point was that "obstructionism" is fair play as long as it isn't cheating the rules. It's no surprise that the Dems considered Gorusch unsuitable; is there a nominee in the country that Trump could realistically offer (given that he wants to advance the party's interests) that the Dems would happily accept? I don't think so.
Obstructionism to advance one's interests is part of the game; in Gorusch's case, the Dems were engaging in some obstructionism of their own. The Republicans decided to blow that up right away to eliminate the obstacle. If the roles had been reversed, you think the Dems wouldn't have done the same thing? |
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Stipulated that Trump will viciously and relentlessly attack whoever the Democratic nominee is - it’s his MO and not even his lawyer and early and ardent supporters are immune - thinking Cohen and Sessions for two.
But I still think Sanders is especially vulnerable in this regard - as I said before, the attack ads on Bernie will write themselves. Here’s one from my Facebook feed a few days ago: Now imagine the ads in S Florida painting Bernie as “praising” Castro. I will support Sanders 100% if he’s the nominee. I support Medicare for All, so there’s that. But I’m not optimistic as to how he will fare in the general election once he’s the sole target of the Trump/Republican smear machine. |
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Probably. John Roberts sailed through. Someone like him would have again. Getting past a Democratic filibuster would be easy with a nominee that has some redeeming features other than a federalist society endorsement.
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I guess it depends on how you define "the rules".
(And no, I'm not trying to bob the thread.) So much of the way the U.S. government functions wasn't fully defined in the constitution... it evolved over time in a way that kept things functioning smoothly. It wasn't against "the rules" (in terms of actual written guidelines) for Moscow Mitch to stonewall Obama's judicial nominees. But it was against the norms of the American political system that had been functioning for the past centuries. (whether you consider them unwritten rules, or a gentlemen's agreement). The effect will be an eventual collapse of the American system.
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Now? Well, the republicans have shown themselves to be completely corrupt, and I suspect the Democrats have realized that they can't trust the republicans to act with any sort of decorum. For better or worse, they may start to adopt the same dirty tricks the republicans have. |
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Keep in mind that there are some inaccuracies in that particular ad...
- Sanders was never a 'leader' of the Socialist workers party, nor did he support all their policies - Sanders himself did not publicly support Iran during the crisis However, even though he wasn't a member, Sanders did associate himself with the Socialist Workers Party (such as speaking at their events), even after the Iranian hostage crisis. So even though he may not have agreed with their stance on Iran, his disagreement wasn't strong enough for him to break off all ties. So, guilt by association? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/be...ostage-crisis/ |
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It would be very curious if Warren endorsed Biden. Biden's support of a credit-card friendly bankruptcy bill is often cited as the reason Warren left Harvard to enter politics. Warren endorsing Biden would be a very strange departure from her primary legislative issues.
More likely that, if she doesn't endorse Bernie, she'll endorse no-one. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...5-biden-warren |
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The Democratic nominee should definitely state the objective facts as they are actually happening.
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No. At least not the way they'd probably do it. Which is to beat the dead horse that he is a bigoted scumbag.
In 2016 Trump literally said that wages were too high. That should have been played on a loop in every rust belt state around the clock. That is the subject matter that will move the needle at this point. |
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Yeah, cultural issues are always a weakpoint, but leaning into the undelivered promises about the economy are the ticket to Democratic victory.
Trump told one hell of a whopper about saving manufacturing and high-wage blue-collar jobs and hasn't delivered. Time to hammer him about this nonstop. |
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The people in the Rust Belt don't think the Rust Belt jobs are ever coming back. Nobody does.
Nobody believed Trump when he said he was going to save factory jobs. The Trumpers just heard it for the coded message that it was. "Yeah you and I know that factory ain't never gonna open up again, I'm just here to punish the people who did it, the people you think did it, the people you already hated and now are using this as an excuse to hate, everyone who's better off then you and you're jealous, and hell while we are at it just everyone you've ever wanted to punish for whatever reason." This is why people are so confused when Trump outright says to his supporters "I'm going to do the thing" then doesn't do the thing and they still love him. Because they didn't hear "I'm gonna do the thing" they heard what he was actually saying "Listen we both know I can't do the thing, but me pretending I'm gonna do the thing is gonna troll the libs soooooo hard and isn't that just awesome?" Trump didn't tap into some hidden well of hope in the rural areas and the heartland and the rustbelt that things were ever going to get better and he was going to lead them to it. This is spite and revenge and... just raw uncategorized, unorganized lashing out. It's not hope. The rural areas of America haven't pinned any hope on Donald Trump, that's ludicrous. |
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