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7th March 2020, 11:53 AM | #161 |
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He didn't fall on his sword, though. He said he'd submit to a disciplinary review, and then other Democrats told him he needed to just resign. Since then he's expressed regret at playing along with that agenda.
Even assuming the Democratic establishment that railroaded him is willing to spin it as a Sinner Repentant and Redeemed storyline, why would Franken want to be cast in that role? By the people who railroaded him. Franken is keeping quiet now, not because he has other sins to cover up, but because there's literally nothing he can do to rehabilitate his reputation besides be quiet and wait. If you really believe he was unfairly hounded out of office by his fellow Democrats, you'd understand why he isn't stepping forward now. On the other hand, if he really did what he's supposed to have done, why would you want him back, even to defeat Trump? |
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The pathetic rule-changing to keep Tulsi out of the debates makes at least a little bit of waves now. The Hill fails to mention the previous rule-change in the opposite direction to get Bloomberg on the stage, though.
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7th March 2020, 12:04 PM | #163 |
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Nobody needs Al Franken to save them from anything. Let him remain on the trash heap of yesterday.
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7th March 2020, 12:07 PM | #164 |
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Poor Al Franken. Could have retired a legendary comedian. Got into politics instead.
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7th March 2020, 12:21 PM | #165 |
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He has been quiet, and waited. Long enough, I think, to be able to be back in the public eye.
"Unfairly hounded" is a poor characterization. It would have been the case had he further protested, instead he submitted quickly to allegations that for the most part added up to nothing even if accurate. His resignation highlighted the need to reassess the strategy of instantly caving to such. His rehabilitation would be an easy one. |
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7th March 2020, 02:41 PM | #166 |
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7th March 2020, 02:46 PM | #167 |
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A good Tulsi meme with a true core.
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7th March 2020, 03:19 PM | #168 |
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7th March 2020, 03:36 PM | #169 |
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Tulsi knows she cannot win.
She should just drop out and endorse Sanders. |
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7th March 2020, 06:13 PM | #172 |
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7th March 2020, 06:58 PM | #173 |
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Major dust-up between campaign surrogates on "Cuomo Prime Time."
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"I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection." -Martin Luther King, Jr. Well, Rosen didn't make things better. Her first twitter apology: "On air thurs I said my colleague @ninaturner didn't have a standing to use MLK Jr. That was wrong. I am sorry for saying those words. [Please] no need to defend me and attack angry black women. They have standing. I always need to listen more than I talk. we rise together" So that go deleted and she's gone with: "I’m horrified that anyone would think i would call Nina Turner 'an angry black woman' I would NEVER!! After the TV hit last night, I was getting tons of ugly messages to keep fighting her using that phrase. I was trying to tell people to STOP. Cause I KNEW I needed to apologize," Rosen said. "I unequivocally know I disrespected her and I wanted to make it right by telling disgusting white folks to stop. Wow did that tweet go wrong. I am so sorry." "2/2 I unequivocally know I disrespected her and I wanted to make it right by telling disgusting white folks to stop. Wow did that tweet go wrong. I am so sorry." So now Sanders gets to try out the "you have to control your people better" attack for himself. ".@JoeBiden must accept responsibility for his surrogate telling our campaign co-chair Senator @NinaTurner that she doesn't have standing to invoke the words of Dr. King. That is unacceptable and Joe must apologize to Nina and all the people of color supporting our campaign." Finally, this isn't Rosen's first faceplant. She was shuffled away from attention during the Obama administration when she stated Mrs. Romney had "never worked a day in her life" which rightfully upset liberal and conservative women alike. |
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I could only stomach one:
FOTL stuff. The guy's a loon. Don't go into the movie review business, sir drinks-a-lot. |
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7th March 2020, 08:44 PM | #178 |
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I hope not. Hangmen worked out the physics long ago, if the condemned is past a certain maximum limit of corpulence hanging results in decapitation. Trump's legacy is highly unlikely to include "left a beautiful corpse" but there's no need to make it even worse than necessary.
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7th March 2020, 08:47 PM | #179 |
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When you are hanged, drawn, and quartered, the hanging doesn't actually kill you. It isn't the neck breaking style of hanging. The lift you in the air by your neck, but before you die, they bring you down for the drawing and the quartering.
But the corpse is really very, very, not pretty, even worse than the scenario you described. Jolly old lot those English were. |
7th March 2020, 09:31 PM | #181 |
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From what I've read that's mostly myth and misconception. "Drawing" refers to the method of being taken to the place of execution, it's nothing to do with disembowelling. Disembowelling, if it occurred at all, happened after death, as did quartering which was just chopping up the body...if that ever happened either. Being nasty to the corpse (and later donating the cadaver to medical schools) was an extra revenge on the criminal, but after the execution. The less picturesque reality is that most executions were plain old hanging, or in the case of treason or exceptional cases, beheading. Legends of the Mel Gibson torture fetish style of execution abound, stories told well after the events they purport to describe, but evidence of them actually occuring in that fashion isn't that great.
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7th March 2020, 11:02 PM | #182 |
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Both Wikipedia and Brittannica say it was the statutory penalty for treason. It might not have happened often, but apparently it did happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanged..._and_quartered https://www.britannica.com/topic/drawing-and-quartering |
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8th March 2020, 07:37 AM | #184 |
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Wednesday morning can not arrive soon enough. Every other commercial is now ether Biden or Bernie bashing each other, with the random exception of a Warren ad that must have been paid for some time in the past with a 'no refund/no return' stamp on it.
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Every commercial break now is:
Bernie: "No Obama loves me more!" Biden: "No Obama loves me more!" Ladies... you're both pretty. |
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8th March 2020, 08:05 AM | #186 |
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I tried unsuccessfully to find the death warrant I once read from the middle ages which specified exactly how some Irish traitor or another was to be disposed of. However, this is a bit of a digression from the primary topic of the thread, so I will speak of it no more.
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8th March 2020, 08:10 AM | #187 |
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Are there still Bloomberg commercials running? I'm still getting stuff in the mail, I thought they'd trickle off over time.
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8th March 2020, 09:40 AM | #188 |
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I'm asking, is this the standard we're applying to Franken?
If I judged Trump by the same standard by which I judged Franken, Trump would be in office right now, and Franken would have submitted to the recommendation of a Senate ethics review instead of bowing to party pressure and stepping down immediately. If you're judging Franken and Trump by the same standard I am, I think you'd reach the same conclusion. If you're judging them by a different standard from me, what's the standard? What should happen to each of those men? |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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/dann "Stupidity renders itself invisible by assuming very large proportions. Completely unreasonable claims are irrefutable. Ni-en-leh pointed out that a philosopher might get into trouble by claiming that two times two makes five, but he does not risk much by claiming that two times two makes shoe polish." B. Brecht "The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions." K. Marx |
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If the Democrats don't watch out, they're going to end up like this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...ore_like_this/ |
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Oops wrong thread
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