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8th March 2020, 06:26 PM | #201 |
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8th March 2020, 07:33 PM | #202 |
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I have a feeling many voters, esp young voters have no idea how primaries work or won't bother with them and are just prepared to vote in the general election "no matter who".
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8th March 2020, 07:43 PM | #203 |
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8th March 2020, 10:22 PM | #204 |
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If only Warren could be VP candidate with Sanders. Would flip his age from a negative to a positive.
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8th March 2020, 10:35 PM | #205 |
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9th March 2020, 05:24 AM | #206 |
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9th March 2020, 06:28 AM | #207 |
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9th March 2020, 06:36 AM | #208 |
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If I may interject, I just find that philosophy to be utterly ridiculous. Government is fundamental to the human experience. There hasn't been a group of humans without a leader. Governments essentially form spontaneously in human societies. The idea that government is bad is as stupid as the idea that money is bad.
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9th March 2020, 06:43 AM | #209 |
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9th March 2020, 07:04 AM | #210 |
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Oh as do I. But beyond that I also find it massively disingenuous, as in I don't for a goddamn second even entertain that they possibly believe it either. To the point that it is insulting, one of those "Wow you don't even have the common decency to tell me a lie I might actually believe" kind of things.
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9th March 2020, 07:39 AM | #211 |
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The better argument is that the US government as constructed really doesn't work that well.
The system as exists on the Federal and State level is so concerned with avoiding the tyranny of the majority that it enables the tyranny of the minority. No matter how bad the injustice and harmfulness of the status quo we are more comfortable with protecting the interests of minority of people that object to change, and somehow we use this fear of mob rule to paint this betrayal as a matter of principle. American history is just example after example of workarounds created because the legislative and amendment process is mostly useless as an engine of reform. We wind up now with executives assuming broader and broader powers and a judiciary that does same and who is realistically the only check on that executive. This was bad enough when the executive was at least competent and the judiciary at least trying to be apolitical. Those conditions are gone now, and the bill for our gridlock fetish is coming due. We've been there before. The first ended in a war and the second when the depression gave FDR enough clout to bring the court to heel. We had a nice half-century of a non-malignant judiciary and at least a vague consensus in Congress, but that was the exception and not the norm. We are back to business as usual. Electing a president might mitigate this crisis, but even with the senate the judiciary is unlikely to be fixed within a generation, especially if a lame duck president and senate spend the last final months filling every vacancy and creating new spots on the bench to fill. |
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9th March 2020, 07:01 PM | #213 |
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9th March 2020, 08:19 PM | #214 |
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9th March 2020, 09:30 PM | #216 |
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One of Sanders' few lifelines left is an endorsement from Warren.
I don't know how much weight that has though. |
9th March 2020, 11:00 PM | #217 |
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Mmm. It would have weight with me, for what it's worth. Bernie and Biden are roughly at a tie for me, given their (mostly) very different and pronounced pros and especially their cons, so I'm not currently intending to vote for either. I would arbitrarily vote for one of them if Tulsi had any chance, but she doesn't. Thus, a Warren endorsement would tip the scales for me.
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10th March 2020, 05:38 PM | #218 |
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https://twitter.com/BenjaminPDixon/s...74687279661056
Is there context I'm missing? Because it looks like when asked about an argument he got into with a Michigan auto worker over guns that he responded with "I'm surprised that Sanders is joining Trump". Uhhh what? |
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10th March 2020, 06:01 PM | #219 |
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Listen carefully to the audio.
The question is prefaced by a statement that both Trump and Sanders are calling him (Biden) out for his confrontation. IOW "Sanders is joining Trump" in calling out Jou for swearing at an American. More simply put; yes, you are missing context. But I had to listen five times to hear it myself, so not really an obvious spot. |
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10th March 2020, 06:09 PM | #220 |
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10th March 2020, 06:21 PM | #221 |
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Thank god it was just a ****** response and not a confused one.
The last poorly understood jumble video he was going on about turning away from negative campaigning or we'll get Trump. So I guess Biden is joining Trump. |
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10th March 2020, 07:22 PM | #223 |
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10th March 2020, 07:52 PM | #224 |
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10th March 2020, 08:00 PM | #225 |
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10th March 2020, 08:26 PM | #226 |
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He's not. Bernie has never worked well with others. Politics is as much about compromise as it is about anything else and Bernie doesn't do compromise very well. He's also not a real Democrat which pisses off every other Democratic politician off. Sure, liberal voters like him but a lot of them are as uncompromising as Bernie.
Warren is a liberal. But she's also a Democrat. She was also a member of the Obama administration. I don't want to say this is over, but I think it is. So much for the idea of a brokered convention. |
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10th March 2020, 08:57 PM | #227 |
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Err... Not sure where you've been looking or who you've been listening to. It really doesn't sound like either of them, though.
And that's one of his more problematic points, honestly. A problem that's compounded by the need to do a heck of a lot of working together to fix the mess that Trump's made. To poke at his comments about Clyburn, for example, him just... refusing to even reach out to those who don't actually share his politics is rather self defeating. Honestly, not having a brokered convention is a good thing. I much prefer it that way. It would, admittedly, be nice if Warren had came out of a brokered convention as the nominee, but that victory would be a... tainted one. |
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10th March 2020, 09:02 PM | #228 |
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10th March 2020, 09:23 PM | #229 |
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Sanders is meeting with his team instead of holding a not-quite-a-victory post election rally. The news media here is suggesting maybe a concession is planned if Sanders does not "see a path to victory".
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10th March 2020, 09:27 PM | #230 |
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Schumer and Wyden are on a roll at a press conference tonight, really letting incompetrump have it for mismanaging the crisis. Emphasizing they want to see the little guy bailed out here, and won't stand for Trump trying to bail out his rich friends.
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11th March 2020, 08:10 AM | #231 |
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There is a path until the debate, but at this point Biden has to be just boggle the mind bad in that debate for it to really matter. Like to the point where nobody can say with a straight face that he's capable of holding office.
Unlikely, but he hasn't had to be under the bright lights as the frontrunner yet, so better to find out if he can perform adequately now than in the general. |
11th March 2020, 09:50 AM | #232 |
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In my opinion that would be a mistake.
Even if Sanders wins the debate easily, its doubtful he would win the nomination. (Biden's lead is too great.) The only think Sander's continued participation would do is to increase the divisions within the Democratic party, and give yet more ammunition to the Republicans. |
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11th March 2020, 09:53 AM | #233 |
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11th March 2020, 09:54 AM | #234 |
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Is Tulsi Gabbard still outside chasing butterflies and calling it a campaign?
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11th March 2020, 09:55 AM | #235 |
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11th March 2020, 11:42 AM | #237 |
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11th March 2020, 11:57 AM | #238 |
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11th March 2020, 11:59 AM | #239 |
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It's definitely Biden's race to lose. There's still room for him to spectacularly screw it all up, with the debate seeming like the prime opportunity.
But yeah, I don't really see Bernie having any opportunity to make this turn around. Biden would have to properly botch things up. |
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11th March 2020, 12:15 PM | #240 |
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I think Sanders is going to come out swinging. He still thinks there is a chance. But if I'm Biden, I'd avoid mixing it up with Bernie but instead use this as an opportunity to build bridges.
Bernie had a reasonable chance against the field, but his chance against the field united is slim to none. |
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